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An interview with Courtney Pine
Courtney Pine at the Cheltenham Jazz Festival Courtney Pine at the 2004 Cheltenham Jazz Festival
Last updated: 01 May 2004 1526 BST
line Saxophonist Courtney Pine spoke to us in an exclusive interviewed before he took to the stage at the 2004 Cheltenham International Jazz Festival.
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Courtney Pine was born in London in 1964.

In 1988 he appeared at Nelson Mandela's 70th birthday concert at Wembley.

In the 2000 New Year's Honours list Courtney Pine was awarded an OBE.

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He's probably one of the best known jazz musicians in Britain at the moment. Courtney Pine does a lot to get the jazz message out to a wider audience. Live performances, a new show called the Jazz Crusades on Radio 2 and music workshops are all aimed at getting the message across to as many people as possible.

His first album was squarely aimed at the commercial market and Pine has no problem with that. He firmly believes that jazz should be for all and not just a select crowd of jazz experts.

Courtney Pine

Pine is delighted with the way the modern jazz scene is progressing. It's now at the stage where there are around six jazz orientated albums that can command a place the top of the national charts. Making jazz accessible to all is something that Pine describes as his mission statement and he's happy that it looks like it's being fulfilled.

Mainstream success

One reason for Courtney Pine's mainstream success is probably down to his crossover work with other artists where he adopts other musical styles and fuses them with jazz. His album 'Modern Day Jazz Stories' was notable because it incorporated sampling with DJ Pogo. His style on that album was influenced by hip-hop and drum and bass beats. It gave the jazz a more modern and funky flavour.

Courtney Pine

The success of other artists like Jamie Cullum, Katie Melua and Amy Whitehouse can only be a good thing for the popularity of modern jazz. Pine offers his view on the strategy that these modern stars are using to get their music heard. He believes they're not just putting records out just to be in the charts, rather they're putting them out so people can get to know who they are and where they offer musically. Although their music is jazz orientated and success in the charts is good, their chart music is really out there to increase their profile around the UK. Establishing yourself in a popular market is possibly the best way to bring jazz to a mainstream audience.

Pine says he's lucky that he's still touring and bringing his jazz to audiences the world over. There are lots of artists out there who want to play jazz and aren't touring anymore and Pine thinks that's a shame. To him it's a simple case of perseverance and a love of performing - he cites the examples of Frank Sinatra, Miles Davis and Dizzy Gillespie as people who continued to tour for a long time, taking their music to live audiences.

What's all this jazz about?

Courtney Pine

According to Courtney Pine, jazz is the only music that really represents our human existence right now. He says other forms of music replicate a past sound, and he admits some jazz has that but insists that if you go to a good jazz concert you will hear what's going on right now. In the sixties there was something called Free Jazz, where people were into expressing their freedom - an expression of the time. Now, a lot of musicians are using DJs, using drum and bass garage beats and even using computers to make music now because that reflects the current cultural vibe. Pine is adamant that good jazz should reflect life.

Jazz is such a wide term that covers a multitude of styles and Pine thinks that umbrella is something that's very important. He says jazz is not just about one style of music, it's about the whole thing. Pine believes that jazz is the only music that can incorporate all other music styles in the world without watering them down. When you think about it, you can have a harmonica player playing some blues, you can have a double bass player from the bebop school, a singer singing in a country and western style, a bit of piano and then you've got Norah Jones - that's the beauty of jazz.

Courtney Pine

Pine wants people to get away from the notion that jazz is something that's played by 'that geezer around the corner in the wine bar'. He insists that it's not just one style and the likes of Norah Jones confirms that.

Jazz got hold of Courtney Pine at an early age and has given him a lifestyle that's allowed him to meet the Queen and travel around the world several times. He's a musician who loves performing and the sheer number of people who turn up to see him play is a testament to his jazz philosophy. None of them go away disappointed either.

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