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Message 1 - posted by Today editorial team
(U9592850)
, May 19, 2008
These message boards will be closing at the end of May. Do you think there are enough platforms on the BBC to have your say?
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Message 2 - posted by WelshLibrarian
(U2460529)
, May 19, 2008
TET,
Which MBs? Just the Today board or all of them?
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Message 3 - posted by Friendly Neighbourhood Heretic
(U5763852)
, May 19, 2008
The BBC management have transformed this message board from the thriving board it was, with lively discussion on a wide range of subjects, into the ‘dead hulk’ we have today. One can only assume this was done for political purposes since it made no sense in any other terms. Clearly closing the board altogether WOULD be the next logical step Do you think there are enough platforms on the BBC to have your say?Quoted from
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Well . . . clearly not. It’s a bit like a mugger asking you if you have enough cash after he has just robbed you! If the BBC wants successful message boards with lively discussions, the answer is very simple – go back to the old system where posters could start their own threads. . If not – JUST STOP PRETENDING YOU ARE INTERESTED IN FREE DISCUSSION. This is a reply to this message
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Message 4 - posted by walrus
(U2154212)
, May 19, 2008
"Do you think there are enough platforms on the BBC to have your say?"
This is a fatuous question on the day you announce the closure or a m/b.
Indeed, the whole business of participation is bogus.
The production teams go their merry and various ways as we now must.
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Message 5 - posted by dullahan
(U2365841)
, May 19, 2008
This is the SECOND upgrade of this board ( which hasn't worked simply because it is too controlled and employs illogical moderation proceedures)
Instead of looking at over maderation revise the "House Rules" and choice of topics.
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Message 6 - posted by Serendip
(U3813445)
, May 19, 2008
The Today message board has been undergoing protracted death throes since the free posting of topics by contributors was suspended. There are two main views on why this took place: (1) unwaranted and draconian "censorship" by the BBC; (2) the inevitable consequence of many contributors repeatedly breaking the House Rules which made moderation of the message board difficult if not impossible.
My experience previously was that the latter was true and therefore the current state of affairs has been partly self inflicted. However, it is equally clear that too few topics are selected daily by the Editorial Team and that many of these have been lacklustre and uninspiring. This has contributed further to the decline and made it a self fulfilling prophecy. Will there be an announcement of the reason for the closure?
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Message 7 - posted by Serendip
(U3813445)
, May 19, 2008
I also think the sterility of some of the debate - a prime example being anonimus posting almost IDENTICAL messages to every topic day in day out - has engendered a sense of redundancy and pointlessness. My view is also that saturation of the board with ill tempered obsessive anti European anti immigration rhetoric is off putting and initiated a process of self selection that has contributed to the decline. You can count left of centre contributors to this board on the fingers of one hand of a person who lost some fingers in an industrial acident. That's not healthy or representative (except if YouGov did the polling).
In contrast, the fighting for faith topic has received over 500 messages and is an example of an excellent debate. That's probably the two extremes.
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Message 8 - posted by i.moore
(U1719778)
, May 19, 2008
"Which MBs? Just the Today board or all of them?"
And they don't say what changes will be made. In other words typical BBC, where its clients, us, aren't considered at all, instead we are expected to accept what ever the whim of some oik in the editorial offices has decided. Its a case of accept what ever we are served up, pay up, or go to prison, that's the BBC's commitment to service!
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Message 9 - posted by Motorway Nutter
(U2367480)
, May 19, 2008
Is this another example of Fraudie's clunking fist ?
They just just don't like it up 'em (well some of them)
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Message 10 - posted by Norma
(U2334558)
, May 19, 2008
Mon, 19 May 2008 09:33 GMT, in reply to OLD-WHITEY in message 9
So we are to be encouraged to use the 'Have your Say' section instead. This is pre-moderated and when I used it last week it took several hours for my post to appear.
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Message 11 - posted by i.moore
(U1719778)
, May 19, 2008
" My view is also that saturation of the board with ill tempered obsessive anti European anti immigration rhetoric is off putting " Well perhaps that was because the issue, especially immigration, had a McCartyite censorship slapped on it, yet its been issue getting the one of the highest political ratings, not covered by the BBC, but an issue that touches most aspects of our lives, be it housing, congestion, environmental sustainability, and as an MEP reports, the NHS... www.charlestannock.c...This is a reply to this message
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Message 12 - posted by uselesswebsite
(U6743558)
, May 19, 2008
Why cannot the BBC do what virtually every newspaper does. Allow comments from readers on the stories it carries on its website?
It is amazing sometimes the added insight and expertise that reader comments add to a story.
Famously, during the tsunami disaster of 2004, it was the audience that did the initial reporting on the tragedy. They were there, the BBC was not.
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Message 13 - posted by U11918347
(U11918347)
, May 19, 2008
<<<<<These message boards will be closing at the end of May. Do you think there are enough platforms on the BBC to have your say?>>>>>
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These message board should continue because, according to me, there are not enough platforms on the BBC to have your say.
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Message 14 - posted by SevernBridge
(U11314505)
, May 19, 2008
TET
///These message boards will be closing at the end of May. Do you think there are enough platforms on the BBC to have your say?///
I think you people are giving more and more ammunition to those who wonder why on earth we pay your wages.
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Message 15, May 19, 2008
This posting has been hidden during moderation because it broke the House Rules in some way. This is a reply to this message
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Message 16 - posted by hotmousemat
(U2388917)
, May 19, 2008
Today editorial team
These message boards will be closing at the end of May. Do you think there are enough platforms on the BBC to have your say?Quoted from
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It is interesting that this publicly funded organisation asks if there is going to be space for the public to have their say. Haven't you got it mixed up? The WHOLE of the BBC ought to be exactly that - the place where all the British public can have its say, not just those the BBC select. But perhaps we could allow a message board where journalists and other employees of us licence payers could give their opinions (subject to moderation of course).
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Message 17 - posted by The Magnetist
(U2350104)
, May 19, 2008
What a surprise.
We said that free speech was being eroded and it has been proven to be the case.
yet again, we will complain and be ignored.
I am sickened by the BBC. What a carp organisation.
Carp carp carp. And full of shrimp and tench.
I have said that the Today board was a means for the public to speak to each other rather than have information forced into their heads by Government and the media. Well, that has been kicked to death now hasn't it.
It is clear to me that the BBC wants to EDUCATE and INFORM as long as it is in the interest of themselves and their puppet masters.
We do not count and no level of moaning will make a difference. Know your place people, you are proles.
I curse the BBC and all who work for it.
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Message 18 - posted by Serendip
(U3813445)
, May 19, 2008
It could be argused that 100s of daily libellous and/or racist interventions by BNP supporers that flouted not just House Rules but the law of the land made moderation impractical, unmanageable and impossible and so brought about the INEVITABLE demise of the original messageboard.
My feeling, at the time, was that the original message board had been targeted as a deliberate act of wrecking by the extreme right. It was the intention of certain individuals from the outset to post content breaking House Rules to test the limits of BBC tolerance. Dod they want to provoke the closure of the messageboard so that they could then denounce BBC censorship? A the time it felt like a taunting game that the BBC couldn't really win. So the question needs to be asked who has made debate impossible?
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Message 19 - posted by The Magnetist
(U2350104)
, May 19, 2008
The message board has not been wrecked by the extreme right it has been wrecked by whoever controls the BBC.
I curse the letters 'BBC'.
I have told Mrs. Mag that I will not be listening to Today again.
Might as well get my news from a source I can trust.
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Message 20 - posted by i.moore
(U1719778)
, May 19, 2008
"We do not count and no level of moaning will make a difference. Know your place people, you are proles."
Yes , our opinions weren't sought, aren't required and deemed worthless, its a case of know our place and shut up, but we are needed to pay up under the treat of imprisonment!
This episode sums a 'public' institution perfectly, it doesn’t serve the public for it is just there for the people who run it!
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