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Message 1 - posted by Today editorial team
(U9592850)
, Apr 18, 2008
What, if any, role should complementary and alternative therapies have in the NHS?
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Message 2 - posted by TimTrack
(U1730472)
, Apr 18, 2008
There is only one type of science and medicine. The tested type. Whatever its origins, if it works, it can be tested. Once it has been tested, it can be used.
Complementary medicine complements just what ?
Alternative TO medicine is the proper phrase.
The state should not subsidise, encourage or promote quackery.
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Message 3 - posted by levelcrossing
(U8842055)
, Apr 18, 2008
I hope that the NHS has a team looking at Chinese herb remedies in case the NHS has something to learn from them to our medical advantage.
Less keen on other Chinese 'remedies' though....
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Message 4 - posted by Monk-Justice
(U3530953)
, Apr 18, 2008
TT said: "The state should not subsidise, encourage or promote quackery."
Should the state actively engage in opposing alternative methods?
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Message 5 - posted by JamesStGeorge
(U225334)
, Apr 18, 2008
Message posted by Today editorial team What, if any, role should complementary and alternative therapies have in the NHS?
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Well it is an alternative to getting better! You want a witch doctor pay for it yourself.
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Message 6 - posted by Monk-Justice
(U3530953)
, Apr 18, 2008
In case TT does not return, I thought this might indicate where nanny says "quackery" should reside: uk.reuters.com/artic...
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Message 7 - posted by pythagorasofsamos
(U9788333)
, Apr 18, 2008
Well said, Tim.
Unless a treatment or remedy can be fully tested with a statistically significant population and proper double-blind tests, it should not be funded or used within the NHS.
Granted, this will make it extremely awkward for alternatve therapists to prove the validity of their treatments, but unless they are properly verified, they should not be used.
We hear examples of patients being cured by placebos - people who are cured, simply because they believe that the treatment was effective. As many people know, with proper treatment we can cure a common cold in seven days; left to itself, the cold might last a whole week!!
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Message 8 - posted by MarinSolitaire
(U2325654)
, Apr 18, 2008
Before there is any further extension of NHS services, treatments etc there should be a thorough review of what it already does
A little rationalisation is long overdue
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Message 9 - posted by TimTrack
(U1730472)
, Apr 18, 2008
"...Should the state actively engage in opposing alternative methods?..."
Well, of course that is somewhat different to purchasing it on our behalf.
But there is no reason I can see not to apply the Trades Descriptions Act to 'medicines' sold privately. If it says it is a cure, prove it.
To add to my rant...errr... posting... above. We live in a country where some people are told they can't get treated because it is too expensive. Spending money on the 'feel good factor' is an ill affordable luxury.
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Message 10 - posted by TeessidePete
(U6476191)
, Apr 18, 2008
'Mumbo Jumbo Medicine' has no place in the NHS. If foolish people wish to receive a dose of placebo or get conned then it should be at their own expense.
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Message 11 - posted by C€R߀RÜS ©
(U7723425)
, Apr 18, 2008
I have used Acupuncture in the past and it proved to be very useful.
As I heard the debate in the car this morning it would have been useful to have a link on the OP or on the Today board.
I think the lady promoting alternative medicine was from the Prince of Wales staff, is there a link anywhere to this story?
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Message 12 - posted by alexiswolf4
(U7214220)
, Apr 18, 2008
TT You [and others] have a rather blinkered approach to this subject. Whilst I agree that homeopathy defies any kind of scientific logic it may actually work for some and that is the proof, personally I do think it's quackery but it should not be confused with natural remedies which have been tried and tested for many many years and are in fact the roots of our current medicine. This issue is of course manipulated by the corporate drugs co's who don't want us to use natural remedies that reduce their profits. We can help ourselves to no end by being 'in-tune' with our minds and bodies, knowing what we can do for ourselves to aviod dis-ease and keep away from the doctor and his/her side effect ridden toxic 'cures' in the first place. I always consult the 'green pharmacy' before going to my local surgery.
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Message 13 - posted by TimTrack
(U1730472)
, Apr 18, 2008
"...You [and others] have a rather blinkered approach to this subject. Whilst I agree that homeopathy defies any kind of scientific logic it may actually work for some..." If I am blinkered it is against the nonsense promoted by the likes of homeopaths. Homeopathy has been proven time and again not to work. Even the BBC gave it a go. www.bbc.co.uk/scienc..."...This issue is of course manipulated by the corporate drugs co's who don't want us to use natural remedies that reduce their profits..." Pharmaceutical companies may well manipulate the market. That does not mean 'alternative' remedies work. It is a non sequiter to link bad commercial practice in one area with fraud in another.
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Message 14 - posted by strawberrysunrise
(U10452397)
, Apr 18, 2008
You can't see an osteopath on the NHS but they do work and my GP sees the same one that I do, but apart from that most of it is total tosh and I live in the complementary/alternative therapies capital of the world, of coarse some natural medicines work some where out there mother nature has the answers but they need to be scientifically tested and brought into mainstream medicine.
How long does it take to get out of pre mod on this board keep popping back but it seems never to let anyone in, this keeps been mentioned on other BBC message boards are you some sort of private club??
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Message 15 - posted by U11074903
(U11074903)
, Apr 18, 2008
<<<<What, if any, role should complementary and alternative therapies have in the NHS?>>>>
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What about herbal medicines, which are known as safer ones because they have very little side effects and they may create far less possible reactions. as they say!
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Message 16 - posted by daleys
(U4607314)
, Apr 18, 2008
complementary Medicine; I suppose it might help to pay someone.......compliments 
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Message 17 - posted by TimTrack
(U1730472)
, Apr 18, 2008
"...are you some sort of private club??..."
Well, I have me black ball to hand. Would homeopathy work on that ?
Oh dear.
I think pre-mod lasts for about 20 posts.
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Message 18 - posted by TheForteanDentist
(U8556268)
, Apr 18, 2008
Complementary: (of two or more different things) combining in such a way as to form a complete whole or enhance each other. Alternative: available as another possibility, OR mutually exclusive.
1) Note the two are not interchangeable. 2) There is no implication that an evidence based thing should be given equal weight to a non-evidence based thing in either term.
There are two clichés 1) Evidence based. 2) Current best practice.
In my former existence I was constantly frustrated by clichés! Conventional dental practise is not necessarily either evidence based or best practice, yet it can be enforced with the full force of the GDC.
Example: Sub-acute bacterial endocarditis (SBE). As a student it was received wisdom that all patients that had recovered from rheumatic fever had to receive prophylactic antibiotics to prevent SBE when undergoing certain dental procedures. This was then extended to patients who had cardiac surgery. Evidence? None. Failure to administer AB cover leading to subsequent SBE would result in BIG trouble; negligence. Now no AB cover is required for anything; current best practice. Presumably complications caused by the administration of AB cover e.g. allergy would result in similar draconian punishment.
I would ask on what day the reversal occurred so that two practitioners could be punished for sins of commission and omission separated by a mere 24 hours!
Another example, this time medical: I was frequently given “junior aspirin” as a child. Now any mother doing this could probably be accused of child abuse! In fact it was only in the early 1970s that we had any idea how aspirin worked.
While with these examples in mind it could be said that it ill behoves the medical profession to criticise the “witch-doctors” of homeopathy and acupuncture, neither of which therapies have EVER produced effective or repeatable results under double blind testing, I do subscribe to evidence based treatment. I just wish that the evidence was a bit better researched and not subject to reversal.
Best practice should not be coloured by current fashion and “crackpot ideas” should not be rejected without testing. Once tested, well that’s another story!
Finally even my bête noir NICE, the National Institute for Clinical Economy, surely would not approve ineffective treatment on the NHS just because it was cheap, would it?
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Message 19 - posted by C€R߀RÜS ©
(U7723425)
, Apr 18, 2008
Still no links in the OP or on the Today board? Well why raise the subject? I am off to find some alternative remedies at the Dog & Duck. 
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Message 20 - posted by anonimus
(U2933510)
, Apr 18, 2008
It can't be worse than the effects on the Stalinist "NHS", of boob , bottom, and erectile dysfunction 'lobbies', in a state characterised by UN and other research teams as hostile to the children that are its future, or somebody else's 
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