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Message 1 - posted by Alice_mc (U2268968) , Nov 9, 2006

There are some important changes taking place to the Today messageboard from November 16 2006.

We want to make the message boards more relevant to the Today audience. We want to involve listeners more in the programme and we believe the best way of doing that is through the message boards. In order to do this more effectively, we have decided to make some alterations to the boards.

We will be closing the five topics that currently exist on this board, and introducing two new ones in their place. These will be:

• Today’s Debate – a topic to discuss the major debates on that day’s Today Programme
• Coming Up… – a topic to discuss issues forthcoming on the programme that you can help us with by sharing your thoughts and opinions

Only messageboard hosts – a mix of producers and journalists - will start new threads inside the topics to help focus discussions around the subjects that we will be featuring on the programme. Each host will monitor their discussions, with the best possibly featuring on air.

On the homepage of the new messageboard there will be a suggestion form so members of the community can suggest future subjects for discussion to the hosts.

We believe these changes will allow the Today programme to better reflect the thoughts and opinions of its listeners, making it more relevant to its audience.
       

Message 2 - posted by summermeadow (U5110035) , Nov 9, 2006

the posters won't like it esp 'Only messageboard hosts – a mix of producers and journalists - will start new threads '

alternatives are five live, c4 boards

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Message 3 - posted by Alpha Hooligan - Gringatcho Demento (U3245845) , Nov 9, 2006

We believe these changes will allow the Today programme to better reflect the thoughts and opinions of its listeners, making it more relevant to its audience.

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No you don't. You believe that it will enable you to control what people talk about and will also enable you to avoid talking about "sensitive" issues.

"Your thoughts, your views, your space"

What a joke.


AH

Please note: Your Postings are being pre-moderated and will only appear after they have been approved by a Moderator.

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Message 4 - posted by horatius (U4735031) , Nov 9, 2006

I thought this board was too good to be true. Whatever we might thing of our fellow posters, at least there is a lively debate. My fear is that things will become very bland with only approved topics being covered.

That said the board has at times become over pre-occupied with certain topics.

How about a compromise whereby board members can send a draft post to the host, with the expectation that it will be posted, but where the host has the right to "ration", so that we don't get too many posts on the same topic?

Just a thought.....

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Message 5 - posted by ImpeachMe (U744502) , Nov 9, 2006

Just like the BBC, it has one of the most successful messageboards around and it wants to kill it.

I think the BBC have lost sight that they are here to serve the audience not for us to listen to them.

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Message 6 - posted by EasternBuddie (U744869) , Nov 9, 2006

you would think you'd have learned from the storm of protest when you did this to 606, to the scottish MB and to the scottish footy boards. then again this is the bbc, when did you ever learn anything from us, we are only the licence payers after all.

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Message 7 - posted by hattie (U1635690) , Nov 9, 2006

It would be better to keep the 3 most popular of the existing and substitute the 2 least popular (parliament and economy) with the 2 new fancy boards.

The idea of the new boards seems to copy that of the Guardian Comment is Free site where the journalists and invited writers only are allowed to start discussions.

But since the existing format on these boards is popular why can't you have both?

To scrap all the existing boards does seem an attempt to curb free speech and creativity.

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Message 8 - posted by errs and strays (U4573529) , Nov 9, 2006

Surely the message boards already reflect the views of listeners. Do you really mean that the views regularly expressed don't reflect the views you wish to generate?

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Message 9 - posted by U3056444 (U3056444) , Nov 9, 2006

I can see it now.

"How can people be forced to appreciate the benefits of multiculturalism?"

"George Bush. Evil dictator or sexual pervert?"

"Are YOU a victim of homophobia?"

"Diversity. Fantastic or amazing?"

"How can we unite to defeat the right?"

Etc etc.

We PAY for the BBC. We PAY for this service. We generally don't LIKE the political and ideological agendas of the BBC. So they shut the boards.

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Message 10 - posted by Frankacne (U1018893) , Nov 9, 2006

So as usual you think you know best and are now stifling comment and criticism. The today program carries a wide range of stories which involve a much wider list of topics and a few journalists are unlikely to have the knowledge or expertise of all those who contribute to these boards. I will write to the BBC about this as its clearly a deterioration of your service apparently designed to stifle comment. Rest assured you have not heard the last of this and first and foremost we demand to know who has taken this decision and after what consultation???

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Message 11 - posted by ImpeachMe (U744502) , Nov 9, 2006

Only messageboard hosts – a mix of producers and journalists

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They may have well said only labour party stooges will be telling us what to discuss.

Why don't they just go the whole hog and have the complete discussion themselves!

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Message 12 - posted by Lady Cordelia Smyth (U2279551) , Nov 9, 2006

How on earth can it be making the board "more relevant to the Today audience" if members of that audience are to be prevented from starting conversations?
I spend a lot of time defending the BBC but this shows no respect for contributors and will shut down debate.
I don't suppose anyone cares what the paying public thinks though.

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Message 13 - posted by Jack Jones (U2032563) , Nov 9, 2006

In some ways this is a welcome development. These boards have often been a mix of too many obsessive subjects ranging from anti-govt propaganda to Muslim-bashing. Time for a change folks rose

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Message 14 - posted by Jade_the_Cat (U2225761) , Nov 9, 2006

Only Daryl will now be able to start new topics then ???

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Message 15 - posted by Weyland Yutani (U6195272) , Nov 9, 2006

Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:54:04 GMT, replying to Alice_mc in message 1

Only messageboard hosts – a mix of producers and journalists - will start new threads

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Several major points spring immediately to mind:

1. We'll be needing some new Hosts. Hosts who will be engaged with the boards and those who post to them. So far -- several years -- we've only had Hosts who might as well have been hosting the Teletubbies board for all the interest they took in their Guests on Today.

2. The Today boards need to be open while the Today Programme is on the air. This is so obvious that I shouldn't have to say it.

3. The "moderation" system will have to be scrapped and redesigned. I could write a book about this, but don't have the time right now.

4. The primitive software infrastructure should be either drastically improved or, preferably, replaced by something befitting the 21st century. The way it is, it's way back in the early 1980s, to be kind.

5. Guests should be able to communicate offline with Hosts and other Guests. This, along with several other obvious and venerable industry-standard messageboard features, was promised a couple of years ago, by Jeremy (the Host). But nothing came of the promise, and it was never mentioned again by any Host.

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Message 16 - posted by Equal Opportunities Offender (prev MG) (U2372085) , Nov 9, 2006

Oh dear, Alice

Let people have the right to express themselves,a and realised how massively out of touch BBC attitudes are with mainstream opinion, didn't you?

I remember before the boards were introduced, the way the letters featured on air so closely mirrored the BBC's editorial line, with most of them

- rejecting any criticism of multiculturalism or mass immigration

- supporting the BBC in its spat with the government over Iraq.

Well, opinion poll after opinion poll reveals what people think of immigration.

The election showed that whatever people thought of Iraq, it wasn't top of their mind.

And that didn't fit at all, did it?

So you're going to rein us back in.

I predict the boards will last a few more months, then be abolished, no doubt on cost or technical grounds.

Go on, aren't you just a little bit embarrassed?

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Message 17 - posted by malfunction (U1523018) , Nov 9, 2006

Only Daryl will now be able to start new topics then ???

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...along with EMCtoo, Ivan, and one or two other 'independents'!

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Message 18 - posted by November Criminal (U4025508) , Nov 9, 2006

You've pushed us too far this time, morons. If only hosts are able to start threads, then there will be no topics, because there are rarely any hosts. All threads will be predictable- in other words, no threads about silly little things like Orwell, the BNP, and theology (no more arguments with RosPower over Christian philosophy! I'll miss that.)

When this happens, I will leave (as has already been suggested) for the Five Live board. This will kill the Today Boards. I have never heard anyone say that they wanted more intervention from the mods. Quite the opposite. I have never heard anyone complain about the Home - Green Room - International - Parliament - Economics separation.

We believe these changes will allow the Today programme to better reflect the thoughts and opinions of its listeners, making it more relevant to its audience.

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Of course, you could actually have a system where people put up topics for discussion, and discuss them if they wish. That would be truly representative.

It seems woefully ironic that, as the Internet has become a tool in the new international fight for political expressions, the authorities in the UK are clamping down on really free expression.

Btw: Can anyone recommend a popular, completely non-BBC board in case the Powers That Be completely foul everything up?

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Message 19 - posted by nemesis wanted (U2313996) , Nov 9, 2006

I thought the message board hosts were "very busy" currently, one of the reasons it takes so long to go through moderation.

How are these extremely busy hosts going to come up with topics, moderate, and engage in the debate with other posters if they are too busy to moderate the few messages that are held up for 24 hours.

I want to discuss what i and others want to discuss, i do not wish to discuss topics brought up by producers and journalists who should be more concerned with getting their own jobs right.

Looks like November 16th will be the last time i post here.

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Message 20 - posted by November Criminal (U4025508) , Nov 9, 2006

More Things That I Will Miss;

- Funny, random threads on the Green Board
- Carl-Jones' threads. Even the anti-Semitic ones.
- Showing people articles/cartoons

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