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Message 21 - posted by saturday_sam
(U1768687)
, Aug 21, 2006
As I have already said on another thread,half the ICC committee are Asian so there can be no accusation of bias.Perhaps they know something we do not.
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Message 22 - posted by mvarc
(U1731674)
, Aug 21, 2006
This is getting preposterous! If the umpires knew yesterday that Inzi had tampered with the ball they should have said that straightaway. Especially as the Laws require the umpire to be satisfied that a PLAYER has changed the condition of the ball, not just say that the condition has changed.
Bringing an additional charge when it could have been made yesterday sounds like the ICC and the umpires backing up together together to make sure that something sticks.
Unless, of course, Inzi is being charged because he is the captain.
It will be very interesting to see what actual evidence is produced. And WHO will actually be guarding the prime piece of evidence, the ball itself? Clearly as the prosecutor, judge and jury, the last people to have it are the ICC - I hope they have already passed it to someone independent for safe keeping, as it presumably will be examined in connection with the charges against Inzi and his team.
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Message 23 - posted by DonTalon
(U2208134)
, Aug 21, 2006
By my above post I mean to say that the little guy always gets the short end of the stick in these situations..
I bet the icc will reprimand INZI for taking his stand .
sometimes a stand needs to be taken.
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Message 24 - posted by OzT
(U1727742)
, Aug 21, 2006
Hi, I am finding it hard to follow these threads cause seems so many post are "posting is currently queued for moderation...", can we please reply without swearing or calling people names? Would help the flow in reading the threads.
Thanx
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Message 25 - posted by Villa54
(U5362990)
, Aug 21, 2006
>>Is Inzy charged as captain of the team and therefore the one responsible for the spirit of the game, or has he been charged for what actions he actually committed?<<<
Inzy has had a specific allegation of ball tampering made against him, well atleast that's how I would interpret the wording, ICC: "Pakistan captain Inzamam-ul-Haq will be required to answer two charges relating to changing the condition of the ball and bringing the game into disrepute."
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Message 26 - posted by I dont Wanna Work -Robbie Keane is out for the rest of the season after horrifically shooting him self in the foot last weekend!
(U2893496)
, Aug 21, 2006
Him being charged is proof that they must have evidence of ball tampering and that the were wrong to sit in.
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Message 27 - posted by Oli C
(U3965019)
, Aug 21, 2006
Reports are coming in that the ball had bite marks in it, perhaps Inzi confused it for an apple?
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Message 28 - posted by Broken_Strings
(U4314751)
, Aug 21, 2006
Inzi charged for tampering with the ball.... now that makes me laugh...  thay jus wanted to blame some one & look who they blamed.... Hair must be sacked..... this guy is no good for cricket
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Message 29 - posted by Smith-Witch
(U5164388)
, Aug 21, 2006
Newcomers such as I am have to have all our posts reviewed until we are deemed respectable.
Sorry to disrupt the flow, but this is the only way I can get a reputation.
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Message 30 - posted by pdathert
(U2580545)
, Aug 21, 2006
Lip up Fatty.
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Message 31 - posted by adnannawaz
(U5378531)
, Aug 21, 2006
Will comment after see'ing evidence!
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Message 32 - posted by wunningwabbit
(U3164174)
, Aug 21, 2006
looks like Inzy is being accused because the umpires know that tampering took place but cannot pin it on a particular player (suprising, I admit given the 26 TV cameras, but people can be very sly)
Therefore, I postulate this:
The umpires looked at the ball when Cook was out. The umpires looked at the ball three overs later and decided the condition had changed significantly and that there were obvious marks (to which the ex-analyst Simon Hughes testifies). Therefore, they change the ball.
The ball had not been hit to the boundary in those 3 overs, nor hit for six, thus the condition could not have changed so markedly in any other way than a pakistan team member altering it.
If this scenario is the case (its the only way i can see that the umpires would be justified in their decision) then no actual evidence of a single player commiting the deed is required.
Inzy (unfortunately for him) is being (quite correctly) as captain of the side and thus responsible for the sides actions
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Message 33 - posted by medium-pacer
(U3466950)
, Aug 21, 2006
It goes with the territory of captaining an International Side.
Inzi has a big heart and is a forgiving, God fearing gentleman.
He has made it a matter of honour, he is not going back down.
Other big names in the game have been involved in simillar incidents, Tendulkar, Dravid, Atherton, Shoiab Ahktar , so , we can just move on.
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Message 34 - posted by wunningwabbit
(U3164174)
, Aug 21, 2006
not sure i made it clear, but i think its all a huge shame
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Message 35 - posted by madada
(U5376691)
, Aug 21, 2006
Pakistan team returned to the field at the request of the ICC Match Referee, but the game did not proceed because the umpire chose to stick to the law. Now the ICC is charging Inzy for the game abandonement as the umpires chose to stick to the law which the ICC referee was happy to bend. Had the umpires also not gone by the book and returned to the field, would 3 wrongs have made a right. Will Mike Procter also be charged for insisting that the game goes on despite the fact that the umpires had closed it?
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Message 36 - posted by VILLAGEBLACKSMITH
(U4577344)
, Aug 21, 2006
Altho Imran 'Bottle Top' Khan does not agree with the action taken by Inzi yesterday, he reckons the PCB & Inzi should sue D Hair. The ICC are now making specific charges against PCB and Inzi. They would be mad to do this without specific evidence. And if these charges are proved & D Hair is right... let's hope he will also consider counter-sueing. One thing is for sure about D Hair, he knows the rules. It is only a game though peeps, and no-one on these message boards knows the truth..... YET!
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Message 37 - posted by fluffyskg
(U3261487)
, Aug 21, 2006
I sincerely hope Inzi doesn't end up in the same bracket as Cronje and Azharuddin. But, if he does, we mustn't let our personal feelings about him cloud what is a very serious accusation. I like Inzamam a lot and hope that he is innocent
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Message 38 - posted by U2573996
(U2573996)
, Aug 21, 2006
"looks like Inzy is being accused because the umpires know that tampering took place but cannot pin it on a particular player (suprising, I admit given the 26 TV cameras, but people can be very sly) Therefore, I postulate this: The umpires looked at the ball when Cook was out. The umpires looked at the ball three overs later and decided the condition had changed significantly and that there were obvious marks (to which the ex-analyst Simon Hughes testifies). Therefore, they change the ball. The ball had not been hit to the boundary in those 3 overs, nor hit for six, thus the condition could not have changed so markedly in any other way than a pakistan team member altering it. If this scenario is the case (its the only way i can see that the umpires would be justified in their decision) then no actual evidence of a single player commiting the deed is required. Inzy (unfortunately for him) is being (quite correctly) as captain of the side and thus responsible for the sides actions" THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS POST I HAVE READ SO FAR TODAY.  . IT IS OBVIOUS PAKISTAN ARE INNOCENT THE ACCUSATIONS AIMED AT THEM ON THE "EVIDENCE" BELONGS IN A KANGEROO COURT BEING RUN BY CHIMPS.  . NO PROOF WHATSOVER AS THEY CANNOT "PIN" A PLAYER AS THE PAKISTANIS ARE TOO CRAFTY  . SOME PEOPLE CANNOT TAKE THE FACT THAT THE ASIAN PLAYERS ARE CORRECT IN THIS SCENARIO.  THE LACK OF COMMON SENSE AND DECENCY IS AMAZING. I APOLOGISE TO THE PAKISTANI PEOPLE IF THIS WUM IS ENGLISH. MOST OF THE ENGLISH CAN SEE THAT THE UMPIRE IS WRONG IN THIS SITUATION!
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Message 39 - posted by U4387757
(U4387757)
, Aug 21, 2006
did inzi eat the ball ?
surely he will be bang to rights as his teeth marks will match those on the ball
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Message 40 - posted by wunningwabbit
(U3164174)
, Aug 21, 2006
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sorry dont understand your post
please explain
I'm no WUM, nor does my nationality have any bearing on the way i've seen things.
wabbit
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