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Message 1 - posted by Too good for thee
(U3401787)
, Aug 21, 2006
Anyone else interpret the farce at the Oval as a lesson in how not to communicate?
15:55 Tea taken early after going in for bad light. 16:45 Umpires go on pitch. 16:47 Colly and Bell wait at the top of the pavillion steps for the Pakistan team. 16:50 Umpires walk back after speaking on Walkie-talkies. 16:51 Inzi comes out of the dressing room with the team. He sees the umpires coming in and shrugs with his palms upward. This looked as though he thought the umpires were coming back because of bad light. 16:55 Akmal removes his inner gloves and comes onto balcony to read a newspaper. Did he think they were still off for bad light? 16:57 Akmal called into dressing room in a hurry. Was this to get ready again after an ultimatum? 17:00 Umpires and English batsmen take the field. 17:02 Umpires remove the bails to signal the forfeiture and end of the game. They then leave the field and the covers come on. 17:05 A Pakistan official signals to the groundstaff to remove the covers. 17:10 The Pakistan team take the field without the umpires or English batsmen.
Shariyar Khan in his interview suggested that the Pakistan team had wanted to make a protest for a few minutes. Did Inzaman misinterpret the umpires coming off the field as a signal that play would not be possible due to bad light?
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Message 2 - posted by BiteMeImStupid
(U1904064)
, Aug 21, 2006
I agree 100% that communctions, or lack thereof, are responsible for the scale of this mess.
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Message 3 - posted by AngloSaxon1
(U1642462)
, Aug 21, 2006
Different altogether, but the issue of communication came up at the Ashes when we didn't know if we had won or not.
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Message 4 - posted by BiteMeImStupid
(U1904064)
, Aug 21, 2006
We knew we'd won, that wasn't in doubt. It was only a matter of exaclty `when` we had won. Altogether less dramatic and significant. But I do take your point.
Suffice to say communication between various parties has never been the strong suit of any cricket `body`.
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Message 5 - posted by AngloSaxon1
(U1642462)
, Aug 21, 2006
I didn't word that well, it goes without saying that we of course had won at that stage.
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Message 6 - posted by Too good for thee
(U3401787)
, Aug 21, 2006
If there is any truth that Inzamam went back to the dressing room on a misunderstanding then the ICC need to learn from it.
Surely everthing should go through one point - namely the Match referee. It should be his responsibility to inform both captains and the general public what is happening whenever there is any break in play.
The MR should do this even if it is evident what the break in play is for e.g. rain.
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Message 7 - posted by BiteMeImStupid
(U1904064)
, Aug 21, 2006
Agreed, that MR should have banged heads together quickly and effectively. Everyone seemed to have been in the dark for much of this.
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Message 8 - posted by Too good for thee
(U3401787)
, Aug 21, 2006
When the Pakistan team didn't emerge at 16:45 it should not have been a shock to the umpires and the English batsmen. Zaheer Abbas or some representative should have informed the MR of their intentions to have a protest without the farce of the umpires going out onto the pitch. The MR could have told the umpires and Strauss/Fletcher and then informed the public about the reason for the delay. Hardly rocket science!
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Message 9 - posted by BiteMeImStupid
(U1904064)
, Aug 21, 2006
I concur. That would have solved nearly everything. That match would be played, Pakistan would have (probably) gone on to win.
DH would still be in the brown stuff though. WHY has he still not spoken out?!? I think DH now knows he has acted impusively.
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Message 10 - posted by Too good for thee
(U3401787)
, Aug 21, 2006
DH is probably bound by the ICC not to say anything.
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Message 11 - posted by BiteMeImStupid
(U1904064)
, Aug 21, 2006
That's a thoroughly wretched prospect.
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Message 12 - posted by Too good for thee
(U3401787)
, Aug 21, 2006
The ICC seem to adopt the principle of "least said - soonest mended".
Of course in an information vacuum, speculation reaches epic proportions.
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Message 13 - posted by BiteMeImStupid
(U1904064)
, Aug 21, 2006
ICC - the toothless wonder.
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Message 14 - posted by magicBAGGPHI
(U5377333)
, Aug 21, 2006
I think the key point is that refusing to come out for any length of time is an implicit indication of forfeiture, whether for 5 or 20 minutes. Guilt or innocence over ball tampering aside, the Pakistani team should have taken the field at the time indicated by the umpires.
Pakistan going out onto the field 30 minutes later was a very clever move which attempted to paper over the earlier bungle.
Obviously Mr Hair is a pretty obstinate chap, but rules are rules. We all suffer great injustice in cricket (dodgy lbws, bump-balls, caught behind off armguard/thighpad etc.,), but test cricketers are in the enviable position of being able to right wrongs at the end of the game.
Inzy's response should have been thus:
"OK, we've been pulled up for ball tampering and conceded 5 runs. Put that ball in a box, seal it and send it to Mike Procter, let's whip England out, knock the runs off, then fight with every sinew to demonstrate our innocence."
However, what does interest me is that any bowler found guilty of ball tampering is immediately banned from bowling for the remainder of the innings (or possibly the match). If Azir or Kaneria were under suspicion (these are the only two names I've seen even vaguely implicated as the culprit) then why were they not told not to bowl again?
All in all I'm gutted that a fantastic test match, and a thrilling series (played in a great spirit) has been effectively ruined by this incident. I don't want to apportion blame - I think Pakistan misjudged the incident after tea, but I can't think of anyone who would want to be on the team that forfeited a test match for the first time.
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Message 15 - posted by mindsport
(U1907660)
, Aug 30, 2006
The correct procedure when Hair was going to select the balls , was for Inzuman to officially protest to the 2 umpires, ask for the old ball to be sealed off, and state that he was playing under protest. At Tea, he should have told Zaheer Abbas to take up the matter with the Match referee, saying team is playing under protest, and come out punctually after tea.
The commentators should have been told that they were playing was under protest so that the TV and spectators would know.
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Message 16 - posted by BiteMeImStupid
(U1904064)
, Aug 31, 2006
Can't say fairer than that.
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Message 17 - posted by Too good for thee
(U3401787)
, Aug 31, 2006
DH would still be in the brown stuff though. WHY has he still not spoken out?!? I think DH now knows he has acted impusively.Quoted from
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At least we know now why he hadn't spoken out - as he was negotiating with Cowie over how the ICC and PCB could both save face.
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