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Message 1 - posted by The face of Boe - I like Cheese (U1717930) , Jan 19, 2006

Zimbabwe have voluntarily given up test status for a year to try and sort themselves out. Anybody think this is going to work? Will we in 10 years time have a proper Zimbabwe team to play?
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Message 2 - posted by SlogIt (U2442449) , Jan 19, 2006

It depends on whether or not the politics of the country get in the way.

If the country is allowed to descend further into the political abyss I can't see Zimbabwe ever sorting themselves out

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Message 3 - posted by CNB (U2700001) , Jan 19, 2006

Zimbabwe have voluntarily given up test status for a year to try and sort themselves out. Anybody think this is going to work? Will we in 10 years time have a proper Zimbabwe team to play?

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It's been suggested in earlier threads but the route of all Zimbabwes problems is the political situation out there. Until Mugabe goes, there will be no change!

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Message 4 - posted by The face of Boe - I like Cheese (U1717930) , Jan 19, 2006

Sounds like we could be in for a damn long wait then! Mugabe isn't going to do anything silly like hold a fair election, because he might lose, and so as a result Zimbabwe cricket hasn't got a prayer.
So was this a clever move by Zimbabwe then to try and avoid being thrown out later on, because "see sirs we are trying really"

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Message 5 - posted by CNB (U2700001) , Jan 19, 2006

Sounds like we could be in for a damn long wait then! Mugabe isn't going to do anything silly like hold a fair election, because he might lose, and so as a result Zimbabwe cricket hasn't got a prayer.
So was this a clever move by Zimbabwe then to try and avoid being thrown out later on, because "see sirs we are trying really"

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I think you're right. It was a calculating decision!

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Message 6 - posted by Lord_Silverwood (U1920243) , Jan 19, 2006

This, coupled with India's announcement on the ICC trophy and England's subsequent agreement to play them every 4 years, will hopefully see the end of this ridiculous ICC schedule.

Lets get back to proper teams playing proper Test matches: 8 sides in Test cricket, 5 or 6 playing intermediate games below them, including Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and Kenya. Teams should only be admitted in future when they are truly ready.

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Message 7 - posted by NotaPieChucker (U1735182) , Jan 19, 2006

There's enough teams to have two levels. Maybe Steve Waugh's suggestion of having an African team (minus South Afica) may have some merit. We already have the West Indies and England/Wales as combined teams playing the other nations, so there is a precedence.

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Message 8 - posted by QPR4Me (U1749134) , Jan 19, 2006

Maybe, we have finally reached the point where people will see that the ICC is as useful as a chocolate fireguard and is, in reality, dominated by "little people" who hide behind their own agendas. In fact it might be time for the srious nations to say to the ICC sort yourselves out or we will resign and start again without you!

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Message 9 - posted by ASLE go around (U1919621) , Jan 19, 2006

accoridng to cricinfo this move was not the brainchild of Peter Changoka but Ethan Manu and Malcom Speed of the ICC [content-uk.cricinfo....]
and does allow them a lifeline.

It's a clever move to give Zimbabwe a final chance to correct some grevious wrongs toward their own professionals [for a start], whether it is a principled one is a matter for personal opinion ....

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Message 10 - posted by Twoodius (U2429557) , Jan 19, 2006

Will zimbabwe ever improve? I'd have to say no!
Look at the Flower brothers, Goodwin, Olonga, Ervine all 5 of them were good enough to play test cricket, all 5 could cope against Pakistan, West Indies and New zealand now-a-days still competitively! And yet the most obvious things linking them is the fact that they have all turned their back on Mugabe and his regime (and with it the cricket board in Zimbabwe!)! If stars who are good enough to play Test cricket keep getting pushed away then how will they ever improve!
Without seeming contentious, Zimbabwe have a policy against whites and asians, so how can they seriously get a decent coach in to train the team! I know there will be equally good African coaches, predominantly from the West indies, yet why would they go to Zimbabwe.
The problem is not the cricket, it is the politics behind the country, and as such the cricket cannot get better until the politics change.

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Message 11 - posted by ASLE go around (U1919621) , Jan 19, 2006

I should have added from the other thread on the In'l board that the ICC would find its natrual habitat in Geneva and its natural leader in the likes of Sepp Blatter and Juan Antonio Samaranch ....

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Message 12 - posted by BrimfulOfAshes (U1949580) , Jan 19, 2006

Will zimbabwe ever improve? I'd have to say no!
Look at the Flower brothers, Goodwin, Olonga, Ervine all 5 of them were good enough to play test cricket, all 5 could cope against Pakistan, West Indies and New zealand now-a-days still competitively! And yet the most obvious things linking them is the fact that they have all turned their back on Mugabe and his regime (and with it the cricket board in Zimbabwe!)! If stars who are good enough to play Test cricket keep getting pushed away then how will they ever improve!
Without seeming contentious, Zimbabwe have a policy against whites and asians, so how can they seriously get a decent coach in to train the team! I know there will be equally good African coaches, predominantly from the West indies, yet why would they go to Zimbabwe.
The problem is not the cricket, it is the politics behind the country, and as such the cricket cannot get better until the politics change.

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Agree. That whole country's in meltdown. There's always a faction who will deplore the mixing of sport and politics, but with Mugabe's hand controlling both over there, it's unavoidable.

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Message 13 - posted by ASLE go around (U1919621) , Jan 19, 2006

Duncan Fletcher even
Will zimbabwe ever improve? I'd have to say no!
Look at the Flower brothers, Goodwin, Olonga, Ervine all 5 of them were good enough to play test cricket, all 5 could cope against Pakistan, West Indies and New zealand now-a-days still competitively! And yet the most obvious things linking them is the fact that they have all turned their back on Mugabe and his regime (and with it the cricket board in Zimbabwe!)! If stars who are good enough to play Test cricket keep getting pushed away then how will they ever improve!
Without seeming contentious, Zimbabwe have a policy against whites and asians, so how can they seriously get a decent coach in to train the team! I know there will be equally good African coaches, predominantly from the West indies, yet why would they go to Zimbabwe.
The problem is not the cricket, it is the politics behind the country, and as such the cricket cannot get better until the politics change.

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Message 14 - posted by pavy999 (U1983979) , Jan 19, 2006

i think that the reason for this shocking but bemusing decision was the fact that there is a fragility in the infrastructure of zimbabwe cricket blend it to the pleathora of tumultous political scenarios in that country
to me cricket is a fading sport and the testimony is that zimbabwe issue

the ICC development project is weak


Zimbabwe have voluntarily given up test status for a year to try and sort themselves out. Anybody think this is going to work? Will we in 10 years time have a proper Zimbabwe team to play?

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Message 15 - posted by jsa - กกก\• (U1844352) , Jan 19, 2006

The whole thing is very sad, I think Zimbabwe could have a competitive test side in 6/12 months if the players are given a chance to prepare properly.

Maybe the ICC should step in and run cricket in Zimbabwe for a short time, or maybe the other test nations should help cricket in Zimbabwe economically.

Let's hope Zimbabwe gets back on track soon, both ecoonomically and cricketwise.

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Message 16 - posted by The face of Boe - I like Cheese (U1717930) , Jan 19, 2006

No, I think most people would complain about the ICC providing more funds for cricket in Zimbabwe at the moment. I for one do not want to be seen to prop up Zimbabwe cricket when they have Mugabe leading them.

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Message 17 - posted by bowlerzac (U2916534) , Jan 19, 2006

Carlisle said that about the ICC: "They can't always pass it on and say it's an 'internal matter'. They're going to have to grow a spine and make a decision" The ICC is a cricket organisation that deals with world cricket, not world politics. I believe that carlisle is venting his fustration at the wrong people. It should be directed against the Zimbabwe government, not the ICC which has tried to sort out the situation. In 2004 when the cheif exec. travelled to Zimbabwe to try and sort it out but the Zimbabwe officials refused to meet him. Whos fault is that?

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Message 18 - posted by randervouschap (U2999631) , Jan 19, 2006

the zimbabwaens have taekn the right step by withdrawing from test status as they have no stability wht so ever in players and also captains. They change every now and then and due to the government policies they have to face all tyep of troubles.....so i laud their decesion . atleast now no other country will play wih zimbabwe to create history by scoring massively or making records.
Zimbabwe have voluntarily given up test status for a year to try and sort themselves out. Anybody think this is going to work? Will we in 10 years time have a proper Zimbabwe team to play?

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Message 19 - posted by Twoodius (U2429557) , Jan 19, 2006

the zimbabwaens have taekn the right step by withdrawing from test status as they have no stability wht so ever in players and also captains. They change every now and then and due to the government policies they have to face all tyep of troubles.....so i laud their decesion . atleast now no other country will play wih zimbabwe to create history by scoring massively or making records.
Zimbabwe have voluntarily given up test status for a year to try and sort themselves out. Anybody think this is going to work? Will we in 10 years time have a proper Zimbabwe team to play?

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I think your looking at this from the wrong perspective! Zimbabwe cricket should not be lauded in any way, shape or form, what they have done is criminal as a board. Chingonka (or whatever his name is) and Bvute were arrested for fraud and then released by the Oh-So-Just "government" that is Mugabe! how can this be allowed by the ICC anyway, including the player wages issue! i know they refused to talk to Speed, but at that point it should have been an immediate rejection from the ICC! i see no reason why the Zimbabwean cricket has any reason to get its test status back when all proceeds fund a corrupt dictator (which is probably needless taughtology!) and when the board is "racially cleansed"! its a disgrace to human rights as much as cricket, and we should never have toured there!

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Message 20 - posted by Fearless Freddie (U3000186) , Jan 20, 2006

Zimbabwe are finally out and should stay out until:

a)They stop persuing their racist selection policies (would this be accepted if they were black players being left out, I doublt it).

B) Until their Cricket board sheds itself of self interest and corruption.

c)They actually start paying their players now and again.

d)They have a team remotely worthy of Test status.

None of the above will happen until the evil tyrant Mugabe is gone!!!!

The ICC have handled this situation very poorly, Zimbabwe should has been expelled from international Cricket long ago.

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