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I'm not sure where I saw it but apparently each of these towers has to operate for 32 years to produce the total amount of power used in their construction. They are a sop to the conservationists and serve no useful purpose.
IMHO

The Llandudno offshore windfarm plans have caused such vigorous debate on www.bbc.co.uk/wales/... that we'd now like you to post further comments here.

Quoted message from Kath - NW Wales host

This is a response to the anonymous letter in the North Wales Chronicle on December the 15th about the proposed Gwynt y Mor wind farm in Liverpool Bay and the projected Rhyl Flats windfarm nearby that has already been approved.

As a growing number of people now know, emissions of CO2 are already causing the world's climate to change and there is a real risk that rising temperatures could spiral out of control leading to the extinction of many species, including ourselves. Rising sea levels will cause flooding of coastal towns and cities, including those in North Wales. The World Health Organisation estimates that climate change is *already* causing the premature deaths of 150,000 people each year. Unless we make big cuts in CO2, and soon, climate change will kill much larger numbers of people in the future.

Wind power is one of the most effective ways of cutting CO2 emissions (much more effective than nuclear power and its many headaches). However, if the concerns expressed in the previous letter were correct, then there would indeed be good reason to ask whether the benefits outweigh the costs. But the anonymous letter is full of errors:

* It is not true that the Rhyl Flats wind turbines will be "very visible". On a hazy or misty day they will not be visible and on a clear day they will appear as can be seen in www.npower-renewables.com/gwyntymor/pdfs/nts.pdf — much less prominent than the highly misleading pictures that have been circulated.

* It is quite untrue to say that there will be "a constant noise whenever you are outdoors". The Gwynt y Mor Environmental Statement says that it may be possible to hear the turbines occasionally in a few places if the wind is blowing on shore and all other noises (from wind, waves, traffic etc) are very quiet. Normally, from the shore, it will not be possible to hear the wind turbines at all.

* All the available evidence shows that it is quite untrue that tourism will be damaged, that property prices will fall or that local businesses will be harmed. For example, 10,000 visitors a year take the turbine tour at the EcoTech Centre in Swaffham, Norfolk. A MORI poll in Scotland showed that 80% of tourists would be interested in visiting a wind farm. 73% of local residents now support the North Hoyle wind farm (that is up and running).

Readers may like to write in support of the Gwynt y Mor wind farm to the Rt. Hon. Alan Johnson MP, Department of Trade and Industry, 1 Victoria Street, London, SW1H 0ET.

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also, countries with a history of distaters, both man made and natural, .

Quoted message from Helipool

Oh yes Helipool, those 'distaters' can be such
a bugger can't they ?

(Sorry bit annoyed at 'Blues' defeat this afternoon)

Further adding to the WIND FACTORY discussion Npower say that there will be noise.

Swaffam also does not have 14 million visitor days of trade per year already-Llandudno does -do we really want to risk that for a few visits from turbine anoraks?

Wake up folks -what is at work here is big business-dont be fooled.These turbines are an inefficient,costly and a permanent 'IN YOUR FACE' eyesore which many countries have already rejected.

I just wish the truth would come out about the
myth of 'climate change' 'global warming' and
'global cooling' etc.

"IT'S ALL A CLEVER CON-TRICK"......SUCKERS!

"Come on, climb aboard the band-wagon, plenty of
room for the simple-minded and gullible".

If Climate Change is a myth then why are the small islands in the Pacific Ocean becoming submerged? I suppose you think that the reason the Larson B ice shelf collapsed in 2002 was due to the Penguins and not global warming.

To have a debate on the visibility of these turbines is, in my opinion, ludicrous.

We are faced with very simple situation that we need to address. We can either clean up our act or continue to pollute the world at an unchecked rate.

Debating the appearance of these turbines is simply pandering to nimbyism. The only relevant question is will they help to achieve the goals of clean energy production?

If the answer is yes - build them.