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Message 1 - posted by Andy - BBC (Host)
(U2262893)
, Aug 7, 2006
For someone who reportedly had no children, many people claim to be descended from the 17th century buccaneer and adventurer from Llanrumney near Cardiff. Can these claims be genuine, or have your grandparents been telling tall tales? As these claims have taken over our Sir Henry Morgan tribute page at bbc.co.uk/wales/sout... we're now inviting you to continue the discussion here. Please note that while you can post links to family history websites or other related websites, no personal contact information can be posted here - no postal addresses, no email addresses, no phone numbers.
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Message 2 - posted by Fitzmark2
(U1562756)
, Aug 7, 2006
Most of us lead very mundane, hum drum lives, but with the aid of fancy, wishful thinking and imagination we can leave the dross of everyday life for the sunny uplands of a world of our own creating.
The “colourful” character of Henry Morgan allows us to do just this, whether we have a link with him or not. Never mind the bloody facts, get on with the story sort of thing.
Henry Morgan was one of those larger than life characters from the past with whom every living Morgan researching family history, it would appear, would love to find a link. As he had no “legitimate” children, and state bureaucracy not being as thorough then as it is now, any genetic link would be tenuous in the extreme and almost impossible to trace, I would have thought. But that sort of quibble has never deterred the creative imagination.
In the world of reality it is much more likely that David Lloyd George’s genes are more widely distributed in the British gene pool. He did after all enjoy putting it about a bit. And if there are descendents of Henry Morgan it’s more likely that they’re to be found in the Jamaican population.
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Message 3 - posted by LadyeMimi
(U5309155)
, Aug 14, 2006
I am trying to find out about the Morgan's in my Family Tree. My Grandfather was born at 14 Ferry Street or Road, in Cardiff, Wales. His Father's Name was William Robert Morgan and his Mother's first name was Ellen, rumored to have been a Lady-in-Waiting to Queen Victoria before her marriage to William. Any information would be greatly appreciated! And as those before me, my Great-granddad once told me we were related the Sir Henry morgan via one of his sisters. But I have no idea! Please Help!
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Message 4 - posted by 33thomas
(U3954959)
, Aug 14, 2006
Sir Henry was a bit of a boyo without doubt, he cruised the high seas and if the history of the race is anything to go by, then females would have been either queuing up to be bedded by him, or else shrinking in mortal fear of what he probably was about to do to them once they were in his grasp. As for kids from that scenario, I should imagine he spread his seed fairly widely.
I agree with Fitz though, the gene map would be extremely hard to follow in trying to trace a connection to his Sirship.
Then again, to what advantage would anyone want to trace their heritage back to such a bloodthirsty old monster. His reputation was hardly one of the more humane of homo sapiens to come to the fore in our history. On personal note I would not want to turn up a link to someone such as himself, no more than I would want to find a genetic connection to Der Feurher.
But some people relish such a link I suppose, and good luck to them should they find such a connection, however tenuous it would be.
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Message 5 - posted by beulla
(U7883211)
, Mar 23, 2007
I have been reading that Captain Morgan did indeed have a daughter, her name was Annie Owen Morgan. There does not seem to be any further information about her - does anyone know anything about this?
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Message 6 - posted by Cardiffbred
(U9506473)
, Aug 30, 2007
Dear Andy
There most certainly will be a lot of people around South Wales and the World who can claim some sort of genealogical link to Sir Henry Morgan, this is by no means surprising.
I have been researching the Morgan families of Glamorgan and Gwent as part of my genealogical research for my family and have discovered that the Morgans did have quite large families (my Morgan ancestor had 14 children, however, only five survived).
The "tall tales" I was fortunate to have passed down to me in true Welsh patronymic fashion have all been historically verfied and documented as being a basis for fact.
Hwyl!
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Message 7 - posted by mogsymorgan
(U8092345)
, Aug 30, 2007
ladyemimi
You may be near my tree,geographically at least.
My great grandfather,John Morgan was a horse dealer and had a farm called Brynwyl in Leckwith. The farm is still there,if you go up Leckwith Hill towards Dinas there is a row of houses on you right hand side. Follow the lane behind there and you'll come to Brynwyl. It still looks the same as on a photo I have from circa 1890. My grandfather is there as young man about twenty five years of age together with his brother Wilf, and four sisters. When my grandfather sold the farm to help build Barry docks the sisters moved to other areas of Cardiff. One had the black and white cottage at the bottom of Leckwith Hill,one married a sea catain named Ham and moved to Riverside. One moved to Heol-y-Fair in Llandaff.I have no idea what happened to Wilf or the fourth sister.
It was a family joke between my father,brother and myself that our buccaneering ways were inherited from our forefathers ------ but I'm sure many Morgan families share the same type of joke.
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Message 8 - posted by calypso cat
(U1906991)
, Aug 30, 2007
Morgan is such an unusual name in Wales isn't it!
I'm sure if Henry Morgan was as salty old dog as history portrays him he probably has hundreds of descents across Wales and the Carribean, I'm sure he dropped his anchor in lots of ports! <wink>
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Message 9 - posted by Cardiffbred
(U9506473)
, Dec 8, 2007
A highly relevant factor that should ultimately be considered here is that during the 16th and 17th centuries some Morgan family members with blood ties to Sir Henry living in south Wales who were catholic would have opted for plantation to Ireland, north America and the colonies to escape the Reformation and imposed recusancy fines.
Additionally, the Morgans were true blue royallists, it is highly likely that many of them were deported to the colonies by Oliver Cromwell during the Civil War years after various battles and skirmishes.
Oliver Cromwell deported people to the Caribbean (in those days it was full of malaria in the 17thc and not the holiday destination it is today). These deportees were sent to the plantations to work as slaves and they were very lucky to survive given the inhospitable conditions. Some did manage to leave the Caribbean and settled in the southern states of America, which may well explain why some people living there may have some kind of resemblance to Sir Henry Morgan.
Sir Henry was not a "salty old sea dog" as he is unfortunately sometimes portrayed. He was born into landed gentry stock and reportedly could speak four languages. He was quite a clever and learned man firstly being a brilliant soldier and secondly, a lucky sailor. He was also tremendously savvy ...
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