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Message 1 - posted by diapensia (U13926430) , Nov 5, 2009

It seems a few people only join the messages to criticise others. Have these people done anything positive to help wildlife, such as campaigning to save wildlife or their habitats from destruction? If they have, why not tell us what you have done. Perhaps it will inspire others to do something for wildlife. If you can type a message to the board you can write to your local council or MP asking that wildlife destruction be stopped. Don,t be an armchair critic, do something!
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Message 2 - posted by theSteB (U13982963) , Nov 5, 2009

Hi diapensia

Whilst it is certainly a good idea to raise issues with the various authorities it can also be an extremely frustrating excercise that gets nowhere. The difficulty comes when the problem is well known but no one wants to acknowledge it. So I tend to use this approach sparingly now and only when I think I will get somewhere.

One of the things I spend a lot of time doing is informally helping people who are interested in wildlife, but who don't have much experience with it and don't know where to start. I'm a great believer that if you just help people over a little hurdle then they do the rest for themselves. This is an example on this messageboard of the type of small thing I do lots of times both here and elsewhere. It is my belief that a more informed public with a greater understanding of the natural world doesn't need so much persuading. I challenge mistaken ideas about the natural world because I believe it limits people's understanding of the natural world.
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Message 3 - posted by diapensia (U13926430) , Nov 5, 2009

I agree with you the SteB. I spent at least 30 years to try and find intelligent life in our local authority, and failed. I campaigned for many years, along with others to save our rarest habitat from destruction. This ended with a government buy-out of peat extraction licences, so its not all in vain. Some wildlife organisations are more concerned with protecting themselves than wildlife, so it has its ups and downs. If we do nothing, nothing gets done. Like you I am happiest when showing others whats around. Sometimes I wonder if those in charge of wildlife are the right people?

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Message 4 - posted by riverbank (U2851836) , Nov 5, 2009

It's always worth trying, though. So much wildlife is harmed or destroyed through plain ignorance by landowners, councils and builders. The drip-drip approach does often get through to them eventually, I've found.

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Message 5 - posted by les-do-it (U14186179) , Nov 5, 2009

I criticise quite a few things on this board---We are all different and see things in different ways and are after all entitled to an opinion and allowed.
BUT, I do agree wholeheartedly with diapensia that action (avoiding extremes)speaks better than words. The WILDLIFE of Britain is well worth defending, and us critics --armchairbound or not--can make a difference.

I have done many fund raising events in the past and donated proceeds to the RSPB to help enable them to aquire new habitat.

PS. Don't Knock the golfing fraternaty. Golf Courses are Terrific Habitats. Anything can turn up usually does and Foxhunters are chased away with men bearing metal clubs.

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Message 6 - posted by diapensia (U13926430) , Nov 5, 2009

The charge of the right brigade?

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Message 7 - posted by hawkinfo (U14159091) , Nov 5, 2009

Hi diapensia
access to a small cops 5 years ago was cut off,and wildlife over the past 5 years has gone up tenfold,but recently national lottery funding
will allow access back in to cops.

engineers wanted to cut trees down and put all equiptment in the cops,destroying it all through breeding season of birds especially sparrowhawks im filming.

so i had to take on waterways,engineers and the council to stop this,to cut a long story short,they now can only work sept-feb and are putting me a security fence all around the cops after work is finished,as this would have destroyed the wildlife and 5 years of studies of all wildlife ive done,so i would have fought to the death,so we came to a compromise,so it can be done with a lot of persistance.

DC.

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Message 8 - posted by riverbank (U2851836) , Nov 5, 2009

Fantastic, hawkinfo.

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Message 9 - posted by hawkinfo (U14159091) , Nov 5, 2009

thank you riverbank.DC

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Message 10 - posted by Birder_Dave (U14198725) , Nov 5, 2009

It seems a few people only join the messages to criticise others. Have these people done anything positive to help wildlife, such as campaigning to save wildlife or their habitats from destruction? If they have, why not tell us what you have done. Perhaps it will inspire others to do something for wildlife. If you can type a message to the board you can write to your local council or MP asking that wildlife destruction be stopped. Don,t be an armchair critic, do something!

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Not sure if you realise what you have done here. You have just had a go at a section of people, and then asked those same people to step forward and reveal themselves by telling people her what they have done for wildlife.
While we are on the subject, what have you yourself done for wildlife so people may follow your example?

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Message 11 - posted by hawkinfo (U14159091) , Nov 5, 2009

hi birder dave,
mine was a personal experiance,i dont think any one had a dig at me personaly,i just put my story on.DC

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Message 12 - posted by Chris Hodgson (U14188924) , Nov 5, 2009

I have to agree with Birder_Dave, it's criticising people, who none of us can say we know what they have done. You may find that many take action and do not make a big song and dance about their achievements. The saying "Those that talk about it, usually ain't doing much" comes to mind. There are many people who take little steps forward in their own way, that can have larger implications when many do the same.
I've done things that have been reported in the local papers, but I did it for me, not for the glory or respect of others. I was asked to join a local campaign for wildlife, but found it to be full of wannabee wildlife gurus out to boost their own ego, rather than actually doing the footwork and getting their hands dirty.

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Message 13 - posted by diapensia (U13926430) , Nov 5, 2009

Hello hawkinfo, yes, its illegal to disturb birds during the nesting season.

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Message 14 - posted by diapensia (U13926430) , Nov 5, 2009

Hello birder dave, perhaps you should read more slowly before jumping to the wrong conclusions. I asked if anyone could share their experiences of wildlife conservation so that others may get inspiration from what has been learned!

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Message 15 - posted by Camsta (U14161993) , Nov 5, 2009

diapensia: I'm not having a dig but I read it in the same way as birder dave. Your second post seems to offer more positive opportunities.

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Message 16 - posted by U14182329 (U14182329) , Nov 5, 2009

I much prefer sofas. Armchairs are too small and they only have room for one - no snuggling possible. In fact, I have just realised that I hate armchairs with their velour coverings and pseudo-antique floral finishes. I'm off to sit on the floor! smiley

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Message 17 - posted by pixienubbins (U14203557) , Nov 5, 2009

I have written off so many times to the government (not just for wild life but im a carer as well so have lot to fight for at times!)

There was an article in our local newspaper- the dorking adbvertiser saying ina lil part called cold harbour they are going to start culling the deer as they r a nusence-- ive written asking that the deer be re-homed rather than shot, but as per normal ive had the same reply that i got for a question I had regarding carers rights

does any one else get this? a standard email with no thought or is it just me thas the unlucky one? i wont stop though!
and this fox hunting thing-- STRONG words have been sent to my MP and council about this

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Message 18 - posted by snowhawkeyeone (U14189395) , Nov 5, 2009

Hi diapensia,
I have criticised on this board, but in a respectful manner, with no insults. Just had a different opinion. Some accepted it, some didn't like it, thought I should agree with them. Do I care? No.
I ran a nature club for children for 7 years & planted woods, amongst other activities. And I have written into my local paper about wildlife on a number of occasions to publicise places people & their families can go locally. Did I get much response in return? No. Do I care about that? Yes. If only people & families would wake up to places they can visit & the fantastic wildlife, the flora & fauna they can see......& all for FREE!!

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Message 19 - posted by Nic Davies (U13674697) , Nov 5, 2009

Hi diapensia. I mostly agree but I think it's a mistake to shy away from robust argument and debate. Arguing the toss on boards like this can hone people's communication skills. It would be a great experiment to take someone who has never posted before and test them both before and after prolonged exposure to a Messageboard like this one.

The HUGE problem that messageboards like this suffer from is the TOTAL lack of body language between those discussing an issue.

Unintended nuances in language can lead to misunderstandings that can lead to rows that can lead to the moderators having to step in. It happens here all the time (except the moderators part, I have to say they seem to be taking quite a back seat).

As for "armchair critics", I've always been reticent to label anyone in such a way. After all, all those "armchair theoretical physicists", what have they ever achieved?

Ah....

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Message 20 - posted by diapensia (U13926430) , Nov 5, 2009

Hello nick. Perhaps if someone new was exposed to the messageboard for a while they would become punch drunk?

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