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Rob Andrew..... Noooooooooooooo!

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Message 1 - posted by Jef... (U1076467) , Aug 14, 2006

According to Radio 5 Live, Budgies have cancelled their pre-season media "date", increasing speculation that Rob Andrew will be appointed Elite Director.

Has no-one at the RFU seen the Premiership table from the last few years? RA is everything that is wrong with Falcons, and they want him to ruin England too?
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Message 2 - posted by Falcons!!! (U2059464) , Aug 14, 2006

the falcons are well known for producing young english talent...granted most of it in the backline, but it's still a positive thing. newcastle play an exciting attacking style of rugby, last time i checked, that's what everyone on this board wanted to see from england. if RA is given the post i'd hope that everyone would support him...just think what he could do with a world class pack!

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Message 3 - posted by Shortsighted (U3495475) , Aug 14, 2006

I would prefer Rob Andrew as head coach instead of Andy Robinson even though I'm a Glawster supporter.
The reason he gets stick at Kingsholm is nothing to do with his ability as a coach
My only other choice would be Richard Hill who has done a marvellous job at Bristol with limited resources.
Perhaps we might see a back line capable of using the ball provided by the forwards.
As long as Robinson is in charge of the team we have no chance.

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Message 4 - posted by fivepointer (U1679846) , Aug 14, 2006

We could do a lot worse than Andrew.
He's done a very fine job at Newcastle. The club is well run, organised, produces English players and has stood on its own feet in an area not renowned for rugby. I think he deserves a lot of credit for that.
He's a well rounded individual, bright and intelligent with experience in the international game and at club level.
We are NOT talking about a head coach role but a Director's one. I think Andrew may be ideally equipped to handle the demands and be just the right man to oversee some sort of sensible and long overdue working accord with the RFU and Clubs.

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Message 5 - posted by U5293040 (U5293040) , Aug 14, 2006

The fact that just these 2 guys are left in the selection process, tells us how so few alternatives were actually interested in the post. That is what we shouls be looking at.

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Message 6 - posted by Jef... (U1076467) , Aug 14, 2006

the falcons are well known for producing young english talent...granted most of it in the backline, but it's still a positive thing. newcastle play an exciting attacking style of rugby, last time i checked, that's what everyone on this board wanted to see from england. if RA is given the post i'd hope that everyone would support him...just think what he could do with a world class pack!

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Yep, but that talent mostly comes through the private schools and universities and their academy is massively over-hyped.

Falcons only really take the players once they are "ready" and leave their players with the elite programmes at the NE universities.

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Message 7 - posted by w0zzee (U1281002) , Aug 14, 2006

The fact that just these 2 guys are left in the selection process, tells us how so few alternatives were actually interested in the post. That is what we shouls be looking at.

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Well, who else is there? Ideally you want someone who has experience of English rugby, who is a good organiser and he has a good rapport with the clubs.

Warren Gatland would have been a good choice, but he is a kiwi and it's not surprising he wants to stay back at home. Nick Mallett has already turned several other jobs down to be with his family, and Eddie Jones was a joke to begin with.

Who else in England could do the job? Dean Richards has only just started rebuilding Quins, PSA has been touted to replace Laporte after the World Cup, who else?

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Message 8 - posted by mincepiemike (U2871471) , Aug 14, 2006

Actually ,I think Andrews the right man.

If you look at the way Clive Handled Jonny Wilkinson on the Lions tour and compare how Andrews handling Jonny, you will be able to see a huge difference. On the Lions tour Woodward had one man in mind and that was Jonny.

Also Woodward walked out on England while they were struggling and falling rapidly down the world rankings.

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Message 9 - posted by podfalcon (U881404) , Aug 14, 2006

I'm a falcons season ticket holder and to be perfectly honest there are a large number of people up here who wouldn't mind him leaving. However despite that he has done an excellent job bringing rugby to the North East.

I think that in a directoral role rather than coaching he could do a good job for England and he will certainly shake things up.

One thing to watch out for is his 5 year plans at falcons we are currently in year 10 of a 5 year plan!!!!

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Message 10 - posted by RuckMe MaulMe MakeMeScrum (U1671448) , Aug 14, 2006

Any man who keeps a stack of signed copies of his autobiography in his office gets my vote laugh!

My real issue with RA is his lack of solid results - okay, so he's nutured some good backs but the Falcons pack is pathetic and it his job to sort that out, which huge has singualrly failed to do.

For an Elite Director, I'd rather have someone who has a record of delivering the goods, not just mouthing off about the problems & then not taking action to achieve them.

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Message 11 - posted by Afro01 (U5307177) , Aug 14, 2006

I agree - the RFU seems to think a director of rugby is a necessary position to create (although I think if the coaches and backroom staff were doing their jobs effectively there wouldn't be an issue). I'm damn sure Rob Andrew is a better choice all round then Sir Clive Woodward. He has had his time, he won us a World Cup, and now he's moved on. End of story. To bring him back would be a total backward step.
At least Andrew has nurtured a few promising youngsters at Newcastle in his time there (Noon and Tate amongst others). Added to that he has a good releationship with the clubs and bringing him in might put a rocket up Andy Robinson's backside and help sort out some of the selectorial farces that have blightened recent England games.
We all want to see England back to command a dominant force in world rugby, and I am unconvinced this will happen with just Robinson at the helm. He hasn't convinced me at all.

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Message 12 - posted by RichieWasp (U3594635) , Aug 14, 2006

I just hope if it is RA then he can hopefully sort out the troubles between the clubs and thr rfu

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Message 13 - posted by Big (U1023476) , Aug 14, 2006

"For an Elite Director, I'd rather have someone who has a record of delivering the goods, not just mouthing off about the problems & then not taking action to achieve them."

ok
That pretty much sums it up in my opinion. Which leaves Sir Clive. He did organise things well in his time and made sure that the players had what they needed to succeed. In fact, given the nature of the role I can't understand anyone's objection to him taking it.

I can understand people finding him irritating... but that doesn't mean he isn't the best man for the job.


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Message 14 - posted by w0zzee (U1281002) , Aug 14, 2006

Woodward and budgets don't go together

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Message 15 - posted by growingtiptop (U5307708) , Aug 14, 2006

There is a strong roumor that it is Dean Richards.... This will be announced by 12:00 Thursday..

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Message 16 - posted by lebigmac69 (U3594921) , Aug 14, 2006

Has no-one at the RFU seen the Premiership table from the last few years? RA is everything that is wrong with Falcons, and they want him to ruin England too?

Spoken like a truly ignorant leicestershire lad. RU has a very small profile in the North East and yet we have won the league and the cup twice. As for people saying the pack is n good - Is that a genuine reason not to appoint a director?
'Well he fits the bill, but he hasn't got a good pack at Falcons'
'Yeah you're right, lets get no-one'

He is the only candidate with the intelligence and experience to try and help with the club country row.

Maybe Woodward will go to Falcons....it's called the A1 Clive, try it!

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Message 17 - posted by RuckMe MaulMe MakeMeScrum (U1671448) , Aug 14, 2006

The point was that the Elite Director is to be foremost a problem fixer.

If RA is a problem fixer, you'd have expected him to fix the problems at his own club doh!



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Message 18 - posted by hubby99 (U1677892) , Aug 14, 2006

With many state schools not playing serious rugby it is no wonder private schools produce players.The independent school my sons went to ran 17 teams!

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Message 19 - posted by swindonshark (U5308273) , Aug 14, 2006

At least he's a younger man more in tune with today's players than most people associated with the RFU.

And on the plus side it keeps Sir Clive in poserball land. Going back to him would be a big mistake!

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Message 20 - posted by Hammertime (U1669630) , Aug 14, 2006



If RA is a problem fixer, you'd have expected him to fix the problems at his own club !

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I'm sure that as the DoR of Newcastle RA would have loved to have done what other clubs regularly do and take the easy way out and go and sign up world class overseas props and hookers, but the simple fact of the matter is that the Falcons do not and have not had the money to do that for quite some time. As a Newcastle fan, I honestly do not believe that any other premiership DoR could have done any better at the Falcons other than perhaps Warren Gatland.

For all the people that dislike RA, the brand or Rugby he likes to see played is the sort of rugby that most on this board would like to see England play. If he goes I will be sad to see him leave the Falcons, but will be pleased that one of the few Englishmen to have achieved anything as a coach in the domestic game has been given a chance of sorting out the mess English rugby is in.

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