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Johnson to Australia

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Message 1 - posted by Sparkys kneecap (U1118488) , Dec 2, 2005

Will he go? I hope not because he has done a great job since coming here with Henry. Ruddock is a great coach and instilled a belief in the Welsh team we haven't had before but his back up team including Johnson and Hore have made immeasurable contributions to the cause. I know he has come out and stated he is not keen on the Australia but you never know as they say 'money talks'. Do you think we need to keep hold of him as long as possible or actually look to bring some Welsh coaching talent into the national framework?
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Message 2 - posted by MikeRawduck (U2053639) , Dec 2, 2005

I'm concerned about the quality of Welsh coaching talent that is available.

IMO the standard of rugby plyed by the regions is woeful, and the relevant coaches of those teams must not, on any account, be allowede anywhere near the national set-up.

If SJ decides to join the exodus, I believe that we may have to consider overseas options until such time as younger WElsh coaches get more experienced and street-wise.
Will he go? I hope not because he has done a great job since coming here with Henry. Ruddock is a great coach and instilled a belief in the Welsh team we haven't had before but his back up team including Johnson and Hore have made immeasurable contributions to the cause. I know he has come out and stated he is not keen on the Australia but you never know as they say 'money talks'. Do you think we need to keep hold of him as long as possible or actually look to bring some Welsh coaching talent into the national framework?

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Message 4 - posted by Sparkys kneecap (U1118488) , Dec 2, 2005

I'm concerned about the quality of Welsh coaching talent that is available.

IMO the standard of rugby plyed by the regions is woeful, and the relevant coaches of those teams must not, on any account, be allowede anywhere near the national set-up.

If SJ decides to join the exodus, I believe that we may have to consider overseas options until such time as younger WElsh coaches get more experienced and street-wise.
Will he go? I hope not because he has done a great job since coming here with Henry. Ruddock is a great coach and instilled a belief in the Welsh team we haven't had before but his back up team including Johnson and Hore have made immeasurable contributions to the cause. I know he has come out and stated he is not keen on the Australia but you never know as they say 'money talks'. Do you think we need to keep hold of him as long as possible or actually look to bring some Welsh coaching talent into the national framework?

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You think so? I think We have very good coaches here at the top level. For eg:- Lyn Howells did wonders at Pontypridd and Cardiff and doesn't even have a job now! Gareth Jenkins is quality you can't deny that. Unless you mean the backroom staff at the regions then I think your very much mistaken. We just dont have the pool of talent for the regions to work IMO.

I do think we should try and keep Johnson as long as possible but after he goes (which is inevitable) we need to bring in new, young, local coaching talent and if needs be develop it. The WRU is on a huge learning curve at the moment.

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Message 5 - posted by MikeRawduck (U2053639) , Dec 2, 2005

Jenkins is on the verge of being booted upstairs at the Scarlets.

Lynn Howells is no spring chicken, and should not really figure in re-building for the future.

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Message 6 - posted by Sparkys kneecap (U1118488) , Dec 2, 2005

Lyn Jones is a good coach though and still has some years on his side. I can see your point but I just feel we need to try and stop relying on foreign coaches and try and develop from within. Is there any coaching programmes within Wales?

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Message 7 - posted by The French Dragon (U2342660) , Dec 2, 2005

You can only quote the big names who are also in their twilight years.

Who do we have coming through the regions? No-one of real ntoe other than Lyn Jones.

I think it speaks volumes that he had to take on defensive coaching duties to get the ospreys back on track. The difference in the first week was notable and it only highlights the lack of coaching talent available in Wales.

The RFU needs to assist in developing these coaches in all regions. The regions are limited in their coaching staff, with the exception of Cardiff, and need assistance.

Is there any possibility of Scott Johnson running skills courses for coaches for our regions? Or even the Welsh Coaches taking sessions at the regions to help out. This will develop coaches and players alike.

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Message 8 - posted by packpower (U1675477) , Dec 2, 2005

You can only quote the big names who are also in their twilight years.

Who do we have coming through the regions? No-one of real ntoe other than Lyn Jones.

I think it speaks volumes that he had to take on defensive coaching duties to get the ospreys back on track. The difference in the first week was notable and it only highlights the lack of coaching talent available in Wales.

The RFU needs to assist in developing these coaches in all regions. The regions are limited in their coaching staff, with the exception of Cardiff, and need assistance.

Is there any possibility of Scott Johnson running skills courses for coaches for our regions? Or even the Welsh Coaches taking sessions at the regions to help out. This will develop coaches and players alike.

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It would be a good idea if the national coaches have the time and something I belive thay did do at the start of the the season. Ruddock mentioed that he wnated all the regions playing a similar style of rugby having MR and the other national coches invloved at regioan llevel would go some way to helping this. Although you'll have to be carefull not to undermine the regional coaches' methods.

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Message 9 - posted by drlracing1 (U2650929) , Dec 2, 2005

Have no worries about Johnson being offered the Wallabies coaching Job fella's. Out here in merry old Aus, he is not even being mentioned in the press or on TV as a candidate.
It seems like a bit of a beat-up to be honest. Top contenders seem to be Mackenzie and Connelly. Johnson has done some great stuff in the training / tactical side of things with the Welsh side, but there is no way the ARU will take him on ahead of a proven Super 12 winner in the shape of Mackenzie...not when the Wallabies are in such a perilous shape.

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Message 10 - posted by RobTheWelshGeordie (U2038568) , Dec 2, 2005

I really hope he doesn't leave. He's done so much for the Welsh game and besides, everytime he's on the pitch he gets a bigger cheer than the players =P. But seriously, we just lost our fitness coach, we don't want to be losing him as well.

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Message 11 - posted by Ospreymink (U2651702) , Dec 2, 2005

Thanks for that mate! Big relief if he doesn't go! He's a big bonus for Welsh rugby.

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