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Were the disciples just gullible?
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Sir Bernard Quatermass on Tuesday, 20th July 2010
In general the disciples are seen as sheep-like, agreeing with just about everything Jesus says. They do not ask serious questions and just follow him, like in John 1.
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M1
"From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more." (John 6:66)
Your ignorance of Scripture is (again) acknowledged. -
Sir Bernard Quatermass
In general the disciples are seen as sheep-like, agreeing with just about everything Jesus says. They do not ask serious questions and just follow him, like in John 1.
This can only be said by someone who has not read the gospels. Even a cursory reading will show that the disciples were anything but sheep-like.
As far as gullibility is concerned: out of the mouths of babes and suckers... -
The disciples didn't seem to be the sharpest knives in the drawer if the gospel despictions of them are correct, so it would be very easy for an intelligent, charismatic bloke like Jesus to pull the wool over their sheeplike eyes!
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leroy coolbreeze. The previous verse:
John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Jesus dismissed them. That is why they left him. Didn't your bible rentaquote site even tell you that? Had you used the bible you would have seen it and not posted a verse which showed you were wrong. To quote you:
Your ignorance of Scripture is (again) acknowledged.
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Message posted by Preacher
This can only be said by someone who has not read the gospels. Even a cursory reading will show that the disciples were anything but sheep-like.
Another empty statement based on a belief of self infallibility. Evidence, assuming that someone who preaches should have a clue. -
In general the disciples are seen as sheep-like, agreeing with just about everything Jesus says. They do not ask serious questions and just follow him, like in John 1.
Those who want to turn people away from salvation often come out with derogatory remarks to cause those easily led to shy away from goodness...via these mechanics the whole world is crashing into turmoil. Wars are created by those who have a beef with another group and so excite non-thinkers and uncarers into fighting their battles for them.
Almighty God is not fooled...those who fight for 'righteousness' may lose their lives, as Jesus did, but they have harnessed a force that will resurrect them. Those who follow foolishness will have to take the consequences ear marked for those who speak unrighteosness. -
Jesus dismissed them. That is why they left him.
Nope. You would completely wrong about why the disciples who left at that point did so. They left because of what He was teaching about being 'the bread of life.' -
So far from being gullible, my understanding is that many modern theologians see the disciples as not understanding Jesus at all, and even thinking he is mad.
Key text here is in Matthew, where 'they all fled'. We also see Peter as completely dismayed by the impending death of Jesus, and then of course, denying any knowledge of him.
Thus in many ways, Jesus' mission is a failure and a disaster. But this is part of a modern theological approach. -
NicholasMarks. Who's been at the spiritual waters again then?
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wigginhall. I find it strange that none of the disciples were at the tomb when Jesus rose again. If they didn't believe, what chance has anyone else got?
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Message posted by Sir Bernard Quatermass
In general the disciples are seen as sheep-like, agreeing with just about everything Jesus says. They do not ask serious questions and just follow him, like in John 1.
You seem to have a great deal of anger - you ignore scripture where the disciples constantly question and doubt - which shows the love of our Lord - since I cannot imagine my qestioning in His presence would be seen as reasonable. I struggle to imagine the feeling or being in the physical presence of God and then feeling arrogant enough to qestion Him -
Dear Misty,
Just Sir Bernie being provocative again, he likes a bit of provocation, but nice to see you admit that Our Lord was intelligent and Charismatic.
Gonnagle. -
Isn't the text 'O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I put up with you', directed at the disciples, for their lack of faith? (Mt 17: 17).
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NicholasMarks. Who's been at the spiritual waters again then?
Of course I have...didn't Jesus tell a young lady that he could lead us all to a wonderful source of water that would quench away all the distress within our very souls. I have found it bernie and I have found the mechanics that brings it into our daily lives.
It is so simple...by following the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ we adopt a 'radio frequency' that all life responds to. Meekness and prayerful respect for Almighty God's word is all that is required to partake in God's Spiritual Water...and the long road of repair can begin. -
****but nice to see you admit that Our Lord was intelligent and Charismatic.****
I think Jesus was an intelligent and charismatic human being. He was probably good at sleight of hand too. -
M6 Bernie over quite a few years the followers of jesus wittnessed many people being healed by his touch.do you really think so many people would fake illness, what would be the point. bernie finding constant negitives is fairly simple you just have to look for them,and they will be found.just like the bible many books have been written. and many books have been preaching the opposite message,the authers have lived and are living financialy fantastic lives,printing nonsence.
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M1
"Then all the disciples forsook Him and fled."-Matthew 26:56
Weren't very sheeplike there were they?
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Trojan. We are told that the disciples saw all the miracles and heard all the sermons and as lazylil points out, they deserted Jesus when the going got tough. Why would they do that if it was all true?
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Nicolas,
will you ever answer my question about how the teachings of Jesus can in any way be accurate given that they were not written down by either him or anyone who knew him.
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lazylil. Mark 14 talks of a multitude carrying swords and staves. What good would it have done had the disciples all been arrested and imprisoned, or even executed? Christianity may have died then and there without anyone to spread it in the earliest of days. I would think Jesus told them to leave him.
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Message posted by TheHitcher1961
Nicolas,
will you ever answer my question about how the teachings of Jesus can in any way be accurate given that they were not written down by either him or anyone who knew him.
Or is that too much to ask?
Yes it is. NM does not answer questions but posts whatever wanders through his mind, with some buzz phrases added in to pad them out. -
Were the disciples just gullible?
Aren't the followers of all religious leaders?
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Good morning Misty,
He was probably good at sleight of hand too.
Come on, that's not like you.
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Preacher
Even a cursory reading will show that the disciples were anything but sheep-like.
Indeed - they were known to try to tell Jesus what to do.
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Hi Leonard,
People who are gullible tend to be generally naïve. Religious adherents may be amongst the number who believe in the horoscope or tarot or breaking mirrors, or knowing the man with the knife that killed Kennedy, etc. but there are some who are gullible in respect of the one thing - their own particular faith.
So are they really gullible unless they are by nature gullible? -
Hello John,
You are quite right in that gullibility can be selective, and depends a lot on whether or not the victim WANTS to be taken in.
I believe that in the case of religious belief that is very much the case ... some people have a strong, psychological need to believe in a higher power, and are convinced much more easily than those without the need. -
M21 S.B.Q. followers of jesus. these were very simple people who had more than likely seen many hundreds maybe thousands of people die on the scaffold, be honest if you were in that position what you have done,run, lie to save your life,as peter had done.you asked me a question afew weeks ago,can't remember what it was did not have the time then, ask away.
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