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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Lance (U14825031) on Sunday, 26th June 2011

    Being a devout atheist, I would like to comment on the lack of a balanced religious view on the BBC. Most monotheistic views are aired but not atheism.

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    Posted by NinjaMind (U14830397) on Sunday, 26th June 2011

    On a board about Religion I assume your post is a joke? As an atheist why bother with a board on religion?

    Just for this purpose??? :

    www.youtube.com/watc...



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    Posted by Oak_King (U14612120) on Sunday, 26th June 2011

    What would you like to see?

    Perhaps

    Songs of not praising?
    The Atheist of Dibley?

    Some Christians seem to whinge that the balance has swung too far in favour of Atheism and Secularism, this suggests to me that probably the balance is about right.

    BB )O(
    H

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  • Message 4

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    Posted by anthony horler (U14311535) on Sunday, 26th June 2011

    If you look at lists defining all religious sects, then you will find that Atheism is in fact a religion, and has as much right as any one to be quoted on posts on message boards.

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    Posted by Lance (U14825031) on Sunday, 26th June 2011

    On a board about Religion I assume your post is a joke? As an atheist why bother with a board on religion?

    Just for this purpose??? :

    www.youtube.com/watc...



     
    Not a Joke. I just hope that a few people will see the light and convert to atheism. I can't bring myself to lose hope for my fellow man.

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    Posted by Stazbumpa (U4044370) on Sunday, 26th June 2011

    Since atheism is not a religion, and you cannot actually convert to atheism, I find this thread slightly odd.

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    Posted by Lance (U14825031) on Sunday, 26th June 2011

    Since atheism is not a religion, and you cannot actually convert to atheism, I find this thread slightly odd.  You are correct, however atheism is relevant to religious discussion, because the existence of a god is a question which has yet to be proven. Atheism is a viable and realistic alternative to monotheistic religions.

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    Posted by Stazbumpa (U4044370) on Sunday, 26th June 2011

    because the existence of a god is a question which has yet to be proven. 

    Very true.

    Atheism is a viable and realistic alternative to monotheistic religions. 

    Not really, atheism is simply the absence of faith in those religions. I don't see atheism as an alternative because it teaches nothing, it professes nothing and it claims nothing. Atheism does not describe what you are, rather it describes what you are not.

    I personally cannot see how the BBC can devote time to something that has no message and is a non entity.

    Just my tuppence on the subject smiley - smiley

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by NinjaMind (U14830397) on Sunday, 26th June 2011

    You need to look at other things.

    Richard Dawkins LOL! Go read John Blanchard he has a book specifically on Dawkins.

    There are far more Intelligent people now and througout history that believed in God, than people like Dawkins. His arguements in 'The God Delusion' etc are WEAK and often childish, you won't see that unless you look at both sides of the coin.

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    Posted by Kuroba (U14863608) on Sunday, 26th June 2011

    You need to look at other things.

    Richard Dawkins LOL! Go read John Blanchard he has a book specifically on Dawkins.

    There are far more Intelligent people now and througout history that believed in God, than people like Dawkins. His arguements in 'The God Delusion' etc are WEAK and often childish, you won't see that unless you look at both sides of the coin.  
    Clearly they weren't that intelligent if they believed a giant fairy living in the sky created the entire Universe and all life in a single week then told us all exactly how to live, while claiming we have free will and punishing us by burning us alive until our eyeballs explode for all eternity if we stray from the path he chose for us even slightly. And this is supposed to be a loving, caring, kind, good, God.

    Also, I think the word you were looking for was LOGICAL. Dawkin's arguments are LOGICAL. Unlike, for example, most religions, in the entire world, ever.

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    Posted by lpilova (U14234193) on Monday, 27th June 2011

    Being a devout atheist, I would like to comment on the lack of a balanced religious view on the BBC. Most monotheistic views are aired but not atheism.   Lance

    Their was two programmes given by a Humanist about living without religion in January 1955 on the then BBC Home service.

    There hasn't been one programme before that or since, about a non-religious belief, we non-religious people are heard on the BBC at various times but never freely, unchallenged or unchaperoned, unlike the religious programming, they are able to speak freely unchallenged and unchaperoned more or less when they chose.

    I would like to add that I have absolutely no objection to any of the religion being heard freely unchallenged and unchaperoned.

    In France "Libre Pensee" (Free Thinkers) their Secularists have one hour a month broadcasting time given to them on their state T V, come on BBC, the religions here in the U K are seriously on the wane represent the now majority beliefs.

    You are right about the BBC not giving air time to us, if you do complain to them get used to terms that are a mouthfuls, like "freely unchallenged and unchaperoned", or they will use grammar rather than reasoned argument to support their case.

    They spend £10 million a year on a Department they refer to as Religion And Ethics, it plainly isn't that it is in fact "The Religious Propaganda Department".

    They spend a fortune on programmes nobody wants, the viewing an listening figures plumit, every time they broadcast anything for the religious.

    They spent some money on a passion or something film the other year that year was another £4 million added to the £10 million a year already spent on religious programming that's only made for a minority audience; the audience figures are so low for these programmes even the religious can't be wanting to see them.

    I must admit I wouldn't get so annoyed about the amount of religious drivel if we non-religious had a bite of the cake too.

    I have a lot of sympathy for your comment get complaining, give them a hard time.

    Regards lpilova

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by lpilova (U14234193) on Monday, 27th June 2011

    You need to look at other things.

    Richard Dawkins LOL! Go read John Blanchard he has a book specifically on Dawkins.

    There are far more Intelligent people now and througout history that believed in God, than people like Dawkins. His arguements in 'The God Delusion' etc are WEAK and often childish, you won't see that unless you look at both sides of the coin.  
    Clearly they weren't that intelligent if they believed a giant fairy living in the sky created the entire Universe and all life in a single week then told us all exactly how to live, while claiming we have free will and punishing us by burning us alive until our eyeballs explode for all eternity if we stray from the path he chose for us even slightly. And this is supposed to be a loving, caring, kind, good, God.

    Also, I think the word you were looking for was LOGICAL. Dawkin's arguments are LOGICAL. Unlike, for example, most religions, in the entire world, ever. 
    Kuroba

    You didn't mention the sky fairy's questionable interest in human sexual behaviour; just a comment, thought you missed it.

    I'm with you. Regards lpilova

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by lpilova (U14234193) on Monday, 27th June 2011

    You need to look at other things.

    Richard Dawkins LOL! Go read John Blanchard he has a book specifically on Dawkins.

    There are far more Intelligent people now and througout history that believed in God, than people like Dawkins. His arguements in 'The God Delusion' etc are WEAK and often childish, you won't see that unless you look at both sides of the coin.  
    Ninge

    They didn't have the accumulated knowledge we now have, so it wouldn't be quite so surprising as it is now.

    Regards lpilova

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by lpilova (U14234193) on Monday, 27th June 2011

    because the existence of a god is a question which has yet to be proven. 

    Very true.

    Atheism is a viable and realistic alternative to monotheistic religions. 

    Not really, atheism is simply the absence of faith in those religions. I don't see atheism as an alternative because it teaches nothing, it professes nothing and it claims nothing. Atheism does not describe what you are, rather it describes what you are not.

    I personally cannot see how the BBC can devote time to something that has no message and is a non entity.

    Just my tuppence on the subject smiley - smiley 
    Stazbumpa

    How about Humanism's views on ethics an morals?

    A lot of Humanists are also Atheists, so a programme about Humanism would keep quite a few Atheists happy, likewise; Secularism, Free Thinkers etc.

    Regardslpilova

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    Posted by Clark Gwent (U9935581) on Monday, 27th June 2011

    I have worked out who Ninge is. he left a trail of idiocy on the net.

    Watch this space!

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by Stazbumpa (U4044370) on Monday, 27th June 2011

    Ip:

    How about Humanism's views on ethics an morals?

    A lot of Humanists are also Atheists, so a programme about Humanism would keep quite a few Atheists happy, likewise; Secularism, Free Thinkers etc.
     


    I agree and it's a fair point, but that would be a humanists point of view rather than an atheists. One does not need to be one to also be the other, but I agree that humanism should be fairly represented.
    There are many views on life and the universe, and what it all might mean, that do not include any gods but that doesn't make any of those views inherent to being atheist. You and I may both be atheist, but my views on life may well differ from yours and the only unifying point of view would be the lack of gods involved in those views smiley - smiley

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by lpilova (U14234193) on Monday, 27th June 2011

    Ip:

    How about Humanism's views on ethics an morals?

    A lot of Humanists are also Atheists, so a programme about Humanism would keep quite a few Atheists happy, likewise; Secularism, Free Thinkers etc.
     


    I agree and it's a fair point, but that would be a humanists point of view rather than an atheists. One does not need to be one to also be the other, but I agree that humanism should be fairly represented.
    There are many views on life and the universe, and what it all might mean, that do not include any gods but that doesn't make any of those views inherent to being atheist. You and I may both be atheist, but my views on life may well differ from yours and the only unifying point of view would be the lack of gods involved in those views smiley - smiley 
    Stazbumpa

    Holding a religious belief of one sort or another doesn't give sole title to discussion about moral and ethical matters you couldn't be blamed for thinking so when large corporations make up titles such as "The Religion and Ethics Department.

    Incidentally it would make as much sense to call it "The Astrology and Ethics Department.

    I share a lot in common with secularism it makes a lot of level headed sense to me; there are a lot of secular religious people too, I also share a lot in common with humanist belief.

    The U N D H R considers religious and non-religious beliefs to be equal, and it's against U N human rights legislation to discriminate against any of these beliefs, I don't know how the BBC gets away with it for that's what they do get away with it.

    Regards lpilova

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by merciful-evans (U11039926) on Monday, 27th June 2011

    Lance,

    Nicely done,

    You are exactly the sort of atheist the fearful have been looking for these last years.

    One that thinks its a religion.

    No, I dont think you are a stealth theist.
    In fact I dont why I mentioned it really.

    Thanks for coming out before the closure anyway.

    ex-atheist and non religious person (an a-a-atheist)
    =Evans

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