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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by byconsent (U14875701) on Sunday, 19th June 2011

    I was born in 1948 the year Israel was created. A great wrong was perpetrated on the Palestinian peoples which will be reversed. No occupying force can maintain power in the long term. Whether sooner or later, there will be a one state solution. Good peope on both sides know this.

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  • Message 2

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    Posted by Daniel-K (U2684833) on Sunday, 19th June 2011

    I doubt the last remnants of the indigenous peoples of, say, the United States or Australia would agree that an occupying force cannot retain power in the long term. Sadly, the Israeli programme of slow genocide of the Palestinian people is continuing at its steady pace. The only thing that would stop it is if the American money that funds it were to dry up. As the United States continues to decline in the face of the rise of the Asian economies and the resurgence of Europe perhaps that will happen but it is highly unlikely it will happen soon enough. There is too much vested economic and political interest in Israel and the United States in keeping Israel as a permanent armed camp.

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  • Message 3

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    Posted by Garethd1976 (U14913643) on Sunday, 19th June 2011

    Thank sfor someone like you who can see the truth.Im tired of that scottish guy on the programme he is so aggressive and biased an apologist for Israels indefensible behaviour.

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  • Message 4

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    Posted by Hibee10 (U14750679) on Sunday, 19th June 2011

    I agree. But the idea that sanity and light will come from pitching 2 poor Palestinian reps into a studio full of appallingly ill informed maintainers of the status quo is really disquieting to watch. N Campbell thrives on these hysterical and raucus knockabouts, but to allow this programme to confirm the prejudices of much of the public does a culpable disservice to the suffering people in Gaza and WestBank - and indeed the Palestinian diaspora.

    Why not atone by inviting Hamas reps to give their view ?

    Or the Palestinian authority's view of how their willingness to talk and negotiate is routinely wrecked by Israel/USA. I am astonished at the moderation shown by Palestinians generally. Maybe they should not object to the slow genocide ?

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  • Message 5

    , in reply to message 4.

    Posted by ashbooker (U14913776) on Sunday, 19th June 2011

    The truth of the matter is that Hamas wants to destroy Israel. Also if the situation is so bad in Gaza ,how was it that in Februray of this year the Fishermen abd farmers in Gaza were suppling food to Egypt where, because of the 'Arab Spring' Egyptian ports and markets were unable to operate?
    We should also remember that when Israel withdrew all it's settlerers from Gaza, the Hamas militants drestroyed all the abandoned housing, Hothouses for tomato production and Synagogues.
    The sensible thing to do would have been to take over the tomato business, convert the synagogues to Mosques or Community centres and use the houses for accomdation.
    Any poverty in Gaza is therefore self imposed.

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  • Message 6

    , in reply to message 5.

    Posted by Essential Rabbit (U3613943) on Sunday, 19th June 2011

    The truth of the matter is that Hamas wants to destroy Israel 
    Whilst I hold no brief for any organisation based upon hatred of others, it's easy to see why so many Palestinians support Hamas.

    The West Bank resembles post Norman Conquest Britain. An armed settlement on every hilltop, overlooking and controlling the subjugated "peasants" in the valleys below.
    Gaza is a prison camp, Israel controls who and what enters and leaves the place, waer supplies, power supplies, who gets medical treatment, etc.

    Life for these people has been hell since Israel was established, how many here would find that acceptable for more than sixty years?

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  • Message 7

    , in reply to message 6.

    Posted by PinkyBuddha (U14429125) on Sunday, 19th June 2011

    Has anyone on this message board ever been to Gaza/West Bank?

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  • Message 8

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by PinkyBuddha (U14429125) on Sunday, 19th June 2011

    By consent:

    How can there be a one state solution when Hamas/Fatah et al, want to rid Palestine of all Jews?

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  • Message 9

    , in reply to message 4.

    Posted by PinkyBuddha (U14429125) on Sunday, 19th June 2011

    Hibee 10:

    Which side has broken every ceasefire? Have you heard of the term, hudna?

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  • Message 10

    , in reply to message 7.

    Posted by Tina (U14867273) on Wednesday, 22nd June 2011

    Has anyone on this message board ever been to Gaza/West Bank?   PinkyBuddha

    There have been many programmes on BBC and other channels to highlight the extreme sufferings of the Palastine people in their own homeland.

    I have also come accross some Palastinians on holiday to Egypt, and boy! they are full of horror stories. Nearly every household will have someone murdered by the Israel including children and women. would'nt wish that on my worst enemy.

    Tina

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  • Message 11

    , in reply to message 10.

    Posted by fedupbigdeal (U14768484) on Wednesday, 22nd June 2011

    i bet they didn't tell you about this

    www.youtube.com/watc...

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  • Message 12

    , in reply to message 4.

    Posted by Brandon and his Christmas log (U11763530) on Wednesday, 22nd June 2011

    I agree. But the idea that sanity and light will come from pitching 2 poor Palestinian reps into a studio full of appallingly ill informed maintainers of the status quo is really disquieting to watch. N Campbell thrives on these hysterical and raucus knockabouts, but to allow this programme to confirm the prejudices of much of the public does a culpable disservice to the suffering people in Gaza and WestBank - and indeed the Palestinian diaspora.

    Why not atone by inviting Hamas reps to give their view ?

    Or the Palestinian authority's view of how their willingness to talk and negotiate is routinely wrecked by Israel/USA. I am astonished at the moderation shown by Palestinians generally. Maybe they should not object to the slow genocide ? 
    Going back to the programme Nicky Campbell is a complete waste of space if you want anything discussed mproperly. He has such a shallow understanding of these topics that he just flattens the discussions out to the standards of a tabloid newspaper.

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  • Message 13

    , in reply to message 10.

    Posted by Alliterative hornet (U2045682) on Wednesday, 22nd June 2011

    There have been many programmes on BBC and other channels to highlight the extreme sufferings of the Palastine people in their own homeland.

    I have also come accross some Palastinians on holiday to Egypt, and boy! they are full of horror stories. Nearly every household will have someone murdered by the Israel including children and women. would'nt wish that on my worst enemy. 

    So, whilst suffering extremely, these Palestinians are able to both afford to go on holiday and have the freedom to be able to leave?
    Your 'estimate' of the number of Palestinian civilians killed is an extreme exaggeration, particularly when you exclude those killed while attacking Israel/Israelis.
    You'll never see a documentary on the BBC or any other channel showing Palestinians not suffering, besides most Palestinians live under the day-to-day rule of the Palestinian Authority, not Israel.

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by Brandon and his Christmas log (U11763530) on Wednesday, 22nd June 2011

    Israel controls the West Bank and Gaza. Gaza is blockaded so the Palestinians have been unable to move in or out with much freedom.. Even now they cannot trade with Egypt. Israel is preventing the development of the Palestinian economy quite deliberately.

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  • Message 15

    , in reply to message 5.

    Posted by Abubakar55 (U14258389) on Wednesday, 22nd June 2011

    Ash
    The truth of the matter is that Hamas wants to destroy Israel. 
    Hamas is willing to accept a peace deal based on an Israel behind '67 borders, which is strange if they want to destroy it, I suspect that the 'destroy Israel' clause would disappear from the Hamas Charter on the conclusion of a Peace Deal.

    Also if the situation is so bad in Gaza ,how was it that in Februray of this year the Fishermen abd farmers in Gaza were suppling food to Egypt where, because of the 'Arab Spring' Egyptian ports and markets were unable to operate? 
    Can you support this claim? I can find no evidence to support it.

    We should also remember that when Israel withdrew all it's settlerers from Gaza, the Hamas militants drestroyed all the abandoned housing, Hothouses for tomato production and Synagogues.  
    I am afraid that you have been taken in by a lie, a couple were destroyed but the vast majority were taken over and were productive.

    Unfortunately the Gaza blockade and Israeli military action has all but bought the agricultural sector of Gaza to its knees:
    www.haaretz.com/news...
    mideast.foreignpolic...

    Any poverty in Gaza is therefore self imposed  
    Sadly not.

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  • Message 16

    , in reply to message 14.

    Posted by Alliterative hornet (U2045682) on Wednesday, 22nd June 2011

    <quote>Israel controls the West Bank and Gaza.</quote>
    Hamas controls Gaza and the West Bank is split between areas that are under Israeli day-to-day control, areas under Palestinian Authority day-to-day control and areas with shared responsibilities.

    </quote>Gaza is blockaded so the Palestinians have been unable to move in or out with much freedom.</quote>
    The border between Gaza and Israel is closed, as are the borders between Israel and Lebanon and Israel and Syria.

    <quote>Even now they cannot trade with Egypt.</quote>
    If the new Egyptian government, which is even lees friendly with Israel than the previous one, chooses to keep its border with Gaza closed, it is hardly Israel's fault.

    <quote>Israel is preventing the development of the Palestinian economy quite deliberately.</quote>
    Two months ago the IMF reported on the state of the Palestinian economy and found it to be thriving, that the financial institutions are ready for staehood and that its dependence on overseas aid has reduced from $1.8bn in 2008 to $1.2bn in 2010 and is expected to be less than $1bn this year.

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  • Message 17

    , in reply to message 11.

    Posted by Tina (U14867273) on Saturday, 25th June 2011

    i bet they didn't tell you about this

    www.youtube.com/watc... 
    fedupbigdeal

    Thanks for your link. I found this there too.

    www.youtube.com/watc...
    www.youtube.com/watc...

    www.youtube.com/watc...

    Tina

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  • Message 18

    , in reply to message 13.

    Posted by Tina (U14867273) on Saturday, 25th June 2011

    There have been many programmes on BBC and other channels to highlight the extreme sufferings of the Palastine people in their own homeland.

    I have also come accross some Palastinians on holiday to Egypt, and boy! they are full of horror stories. Nearly every household will have someone murdered by the Israel including children and women. would'nt wish that on my worst enemy. 

    So, whilst suffering extremely, these Palestinians are able to both afford to go on holiday and have the freedom to be able to leave?
    Your 'estimate' of the number of Palestinian civilians killed is an extreme exaggeration, particularly when you exclude those killed while attacking Israel/Israelis.
    You'll never see a documentary on the BBC or any other channel showing Palestinians not suffering, besides most Palestinians live under the day-to-day rule of the Palestinian Authority, not Israel. 
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    These Palestians are not lucky enough to enjoy a holiday. They are forced out of their homes by the Zionists with whatever family is left.

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    The Palastinians live in an open air prison under constant threat without any real freedom.

    Watch CBC news
    www.youtube.com/watc...

    Tina

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  • Message 19

    , in reply to message 17.

    Posted by fedupbigdeal (U14768484) on Saturday, 25th June 2011

    One ranting Scientologist and a few disollusioned Rabbis are nothing comapared to the hatespeech on the link below scroll down to the third sentence which is a single sentence callong for israel's obliteration >

    avalon.law.yale.edu/...

    So what if israel wins?

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by fedupbigdeal (U14768484) on Saturday, 25th June 2011

    ERROR

    please scroll down to the third paragraph, just a single sentence startig with the word Israel to see the call for the obliteration of Israel linked just below

    avalon.law.yale.edu/...




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  • Message 21

    , in reply to message 20.

    Posted by Tina (U14867273) on Saturday, 25th June 2011

    fedupbigdeal

    I read it, however, not all Palestinians support Hamas as we know and want a 2 state peace deal. There is a lot of agression in the region as a result of which too many innocent suffer.

    I feel a 2 state peace deal to free Palastine to self govern fully will resolve this conflict and both sides can live in peace.

    Tina

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  • Message 22

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by NinjaMind (U14830397) on Saturday, 25th June 2011

    I was born in 1948 the year Israel was created. A great wrong was perpetrated on the Palestinian peoples which will be reversed. No occupying force can maintain power in the long term. Whether sooner or later, there will be a one state solution. Good peope on both sides know this.   A great wrong would be sending out terrorists to blow up buses , etc! Using the excuse Palestine is fighting a bigger enemy does not wash , there is never any justification for terrorism or innocent people being killed.

    Quick history lesson : the Jews had Israel for THOUSANDS of years - all the Old Testament Prophets were Jews, as was Jesus of course. Along comes Muhammed in the 7th century! and suddenly Muslims should own everything? Ridiculous!

    What are the rich Arab countries like Saudi Arabia doing to help Palestine?

    What are Hamas doing with any funding received, when people claim many are living in poverty there?

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  • Message 23

    , in reply to message 15.

    Posted by NinjaMind (U14830397) on Saturday, 25th June 2011

    Abu,

    Quick questions :

    1) Do you support Palestinans using Terrorism?

    2) Why aren't rich Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia etc funding Palestine, since some claim they live in poverty?

    3) In relation to 2 above, if they are sending millions and Muslims in the West are doing the same; you don't think corruption etc means much of the money is not reaching people especially the poverty stricken?


    For an individual , people, or country once you started pushing the blame outside yourselves, you give up the means to change. Is Hamas etc running Palestine great? Do they have great welfare system especially for the poor? No to both of those would be the answer. Blaming everything on Israel is just a scapegoat and excuse, to not solve their own problems.

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  • Message 24

    , in reply to message 22.

    Posted by Essential Rabbit (U3613943) on Saturday, 25th June 2011

    Quick history lesson 
    Here's another quick history lesson which doesn't involve reliance on anyone's book of fairytales.

    The Palestinian people are descended from the indigenous inhabitants of the area at the time of the Roman Empire.

    Most Israelis are descended from Europeans and only arrived within the last seventy years.

    What religions they have or may have had has little to do with the current problems.

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  • Message 25

    , in reply to message 24.

    Posted by fedupbigdeal (U14768484) on Saturday, 25th June 2011

    here's another quick history lesson which doesn't involve reliance on anyone's book of fairytales.

    what book of fairytales do you mean?

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  • Message 26

    , in reply to message 25.

    Posted by Essential Rabbit (U3613943) on Sunday, 26th June 2011

    what book of fairytales do you mean? 

    Any and every book of fairytales which informs its readers of the "only true way to live their lives", based upon ancient myths.

    Take your pick.

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  • Message 27

    , in reply to message 2.

    Posted by sciolist (U7547242) on Sunday, 26th June 2011


    There is too much vested economic and political interest in Israel and the United States in keeping Israel as a permanent armed camp.
     

    And yet, the vested interests weren't able to prevent the election of Obama. Perhaps they made mistakes. Or perhaps their power isn't unlimited. Or perhaps they too are getting fed up of Israel.



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  • Message 28

    , in reply to message 27.

    Posted by Essential Rabbit (U3613943) on Sunday, 26th June 2011

    And yet, the vested interests weren't able to prevent the election of Obama. 
    But Obama hasn't made any difference, has he?

    He recently got a bit critical, then Netanyahu went over to the US and read him the riot act.
    He immediately retracted and the illegal settlement building continues unaffected.

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