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    Posted by RayofSun (U14818146) on Friday, 24th June 2011

    Islam is fatalistic we are told, Muslims believe that Allah is All Powerful, therefore all of human life is under His Control, everything that is, is as it is intended to be by the Creator. So how can this be reconcilled by Muslims who criticise 'what is'?

    The simple answer is, the Creator creates, but He has also given the Muslims a book of Law which tells them what is ethically and morally acceptable or not.

    The Quran condems money lenders who charge Interest, in fact war is declared against them by Allah, with a promise of Muhammad and his followers doing war against them. The question may arise, why does Allah then allow the money lenders to exist and gain dominance in the world if He is the Creator?

    The answer is just because Allah creates something and allows it to gain temporary dominance it does not mean that He approves of it and the Quran reveals what is approved and what is not, without it, there would be no Muslims and no judgement against money lending and charging interest.

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    Posted by RayofSun (U14818146) on Saturday, 25th June 2011

    the Quran reveals what is approved and what is not, without it, there would be no Muslims and no judgement against money lending and charging interest.

    And this is why Islam and the Quran does not fit into the modern State created world of Democracy and Central Banks (controlled by the International Bank of Sttlements or IBS). Attemps are made by some 'Muslims' to make it fit, and the Bankers and their agents in politics and the media insist that Islam must change to fit in, or there will be war etc., but there will always be resistence from a party of genuine Muslims, they will either grow, or die trying.

    Central Banks are designed to impoverish everyone, including normal non Muslim working families, to control them economically and to transfer wealth and power to the few at the top. This subject has been researched and many non Muslim scholars have done some good work on this, their work is purposely kept away from the general public by the ruling class for obvious reasons.

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    Posted by grannieval (U3909013) on Sunday, 26th June 2011

    "The question may arise, why does Allah then allow the money lenders to exist and gain dominance in the world if He is the Creator?"

    This question is asked of many different topics - not just money lending.

    Allah has created man as the best of creation yet it is man who spoils earthly life, socially and physically. So why?

    It surely has to do with freedom, freedom allows us to develop as well as to make mistakes. You learn from mistakes and so develop, this applies individually and as communities.
    The alternative has to be a perpetual childlike state without real freedom.

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    Posted by RayofSun (U14818146) on Sunday, 26th June 2011

    Human beings today seem to think they are free, when a close examination of their way of life actually reveals that far from it they are completely controlled by their governments. Governments are controlled by the finanacial and banking elites.

    Democracy the political ideology allows politicians to make promises to the voters, this causes the expansion of government power and the demise of liberty or freedom of the individual, the trend continues that as government gains more control and power, more un-intended problems occur, but the political will to do what is necessary is not there, so more of the same continues.

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    Posted by martg44 (U14046142) on Monday, 27th June 2011


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    Posted by RayofSun (U14818146) on Monday, 27th June 2011

    The 2 links show the "Ahmediya" also known as the Qadiyani, followers of Gulam Ahmed Qadiyani, are not considred Muslim by mainstream Sunni Muslims. Gulam Qadiyani calimed he was a Prophet, during British rule, he also said Jihad against the British was not necessary, so the British helped him to gain adherents.

    The second link talks about 'Islamic Banking' this was started by modernists Muslims trying to integrate Islam into their modern world view, their banks are still un-Islamic and should be shunned and closed down.

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    Posted by martg44 (U14046142) on Monday, 27th June 2011


    The first link also states the following:

    ""The term caliphate "dominion of a caliph ('successor')" (from the Arabic خلافة or khilāfa, Turkish: Halife), refers to the first system of government established in Islam and represented the political unity of the Muslim Ummah (nation). In theory, it is a constitutional republic[1] (see Constitution of Medina), which means that the head of state, the Caliph, and other officials are representatives of the people and must govern according to an existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens.""

    So an Islamic state would effectively be a Republic.


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  • Message 8

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    Posted by grannieval (U3909013) on Monday, 27th June 2011

    Do not worry that all other Muslims declare that Ahmadi Muslims are not Muslims.

    1. It is not their right to say so. According to the Haddith and Sunna of the Holy Prophet if any person declares belief in Allah, the one and only God and in the Holy Prophet Muhammad as His messenger then no one should declare that person non-Muslim.

    2. There is a different Haddith which says that one day there will be 73 sects of Muslims. When asked how anyone can decide which is the rightly guided sect the answer was given by the Holy Prophet, the one whom all the others together declare to be false.

    3. Despite, political and financial power the other Muslims have remained weak and are considered a cause of social, political and security problem throughout the world to the point that the words Islam and Muslim are feared and not respected. This clearly shows that they are not supported by and obedient to God's Law.

    4. Ahmadi Muslims are growing in numbers and are held in respect. They are successful because they are following God's guidance and Law. All who are true to God will succeed.

    eg. Sir Mohammad Zafarullah Khan

    first Muslim Nobel laureat - Prof. Abdus Salam

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by RayofSun (U14818146) on Monday, 27th June 2011

    "So an Islamic state would effectively be a Republic."

    Whoever wrote the Wkipedia peice is using western and modern terminiology, Islam is not a State, most rulers including the khalifs operated like Monarchs applying personal rule, there are no constitutions, just the Shariah which is to be obeyed by any ruler.

    Ibn Khaldun a pre-modern writer also says it is the duty of the Muslim ruler to ensure the stability and weight of the Gold and Silver currency, this of course means there will be no State, fractional reserve banking, or central banks if the Khalifah rules.

    Incidentally the Qadiyanis or Ahmedis also allow money lending charging interest, so they are a group approved by the Anglo-American ruling elites, I am sure they receive financial and moral support from the bankers.

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    Posted by grannieval (U3909013) on Monday, 27th June 2011

    "Incidentally the Qadiyanis or Ahmedis also allow money lending charging interest"

    'allow money lending' How can they prevent it? It exists in the societies where they live.

    Please show the evidence that the Ahmadi Muslim leadership authorises money lending to acquire interest.

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