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  • Message 221

    , in reply to message 216.

    Posted by newdwr54 (U12275314) on Sunday, 21st March 2010

    letusreason
    If evolution was true and I for one do not believe that, my educational background has let me to that conclusion, evolution still does not tell us why we are here and for what purpose and the fact is, we are here and we do have a purpose and logically, if something has a purpose, what is it and who or what gave us this purpose, evolution cannot address these issues, as the answer lies outside the realm of evolution and we both know where that leads to...! 
    If your education leads you to believe that evolution isn't true then your education isn't up to much, frankly. Can you point me to a reputable university or research institution anywhere in the world that teaches that evolution is wrong? (Remember, I said "reputable", i.e. one that publishes journals and carries out original research, *that* sort of institution.)

    Secondly, you're a big boy now, and so you get to work out your own purpose in life all by yourself. The Universe doesn't owe you anything, and there's no reason for it to hold your hand.

    If the Universe has a naturalistic cause, then I don't feel any more *purposeless* for that.

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  • Message 222

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    Posted by Sir Bernard Quatermass (U1732830) on Sunday, 21st March 2010

    letusreason. Message 216. Creationists always use creationist sites for their lies. Other than that, all they have is bible quotes and denial of science and reality.

    Amino acids, tholins, complex organic compounds, etc. They have all been found in space. Take the light elements which abound, like hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen and carbon and add a little energy and you suddenly have lots of organic compounds.

    Your education background? What was that? Not a lot of modern science in 1930, I would think.

    Why do we need to be here for a reason other than ego? If an asteroid smashed into the Earth tomorrow and destroyed all life on it, the rest of the universe would continue as though we had never existed.

    Outside the realm of evolution? Fantasyland!

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  • Message 223

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    Posted by Patrick (U14329301) on Sunday, 21st March 2010

    ...doesn't teach us anything, it stops the learning in its tracks.

    (Oops... accidentally hit enter on last meassage) :P

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  • Message 224

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    Posted by diksleksik (U14059681) on Sunday, 21st March 2010

    Gonnagle
    Ok, lend me a fiver, who cares who makes the peace, as long as they make it. 
    Please accept £4.98
    I'm not sure if its you or me thats tupence short
    smiley - biggrin
    dik

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  • Message 226

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    Posted by letusreason (U5152521) on Sunday, 21st March 2010

    Why doe such a question mean that I am biased?


    >>But that shows _your_ bias. Why do we need a purpose (other than the survival of our own genetic code)?<<


    Because, life for us must not just have purpose [survival] but *meaning*, we are not like animals that just eat, sleep, reproduce and die!

    We are capable of so much more, especially the abstract...!

    If we are here merely to survive, then we are truly no better than a cat or dog, as they survive, like we do! I for one do not believe that, we are children meant for better things...!

    Kind regards,

    letusreason

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  • Message 227

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    Posted by Wonderer (U14340380) on Sunday, 21st March 2010

    letusreason
    I for one do not believe that, we are children meant for better things...! 
    If you need God you make you feel less insignificant then that's a comment on your own personality and has no bearing on whether God exists or not.

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  • Message 228

    , in reply to message 209.

    Posted by Sir Bernard Quatermass (U1732830) on Sunday, 21st March 2010

    letusreason21. Message 209. Why indeed left handed? Why would god care about such a thing when making people from dirt? Did he use his left hand to make Adam? Reality. Once life evolved, if left handed, then it would continue on the same line and not start a new right handed line.

    How do you get a figure of 4000 to 1 for the eye, apart from pure ignorance of maths and reality that is? 16,000,000 to 1? Can I assume that they did not teach maths when you were at school, to produce such crazy figures out of the air?

    Besides it's compound eyes, light sensitive areas give a fly an evolutionary advantage in that even though it cannot see anything with them, if the light to them suddenly decreases, it means someone is coming close to it so it takes off and is not squashed by a newspaper, so lives to breed.

    Any kind of sight is an advantage so the better the eye, the better chance of survival, so the better chance of breeding and passing on this advantage. The eye could have formed in as little as 250,000 years (though did not come about for untold millions of years).

    Where would eyes be but where they were most useful? Binocular vision allows gauging of distances, especially regarding movement, so a definite survival advantage, so it would happen.

    You just continue to prove that you do not have the first clue about how survival of the fittest works with your totally ignorant claims of odds. What you are saying to me is the atheist equivalent of my saying to you: "How could Jesus have been hung on a cross when he was made of cheese?" Sound ridiculous? What you are saying to me is equally ridiculous.

    All living things have common DNA, as in we have half the same genes as bananas. How did this happen? Did god use the same pile of dirt to make bananas that he used to make Adam? Or is it because all living things are related?

    Life evolved into ever more complicated forms, with branches settling gown into stable niches, like ants which have been around for some 200,000,000 years as ants because they have no need to change. Grass evolved just 40,000,000 years ago. Evolution only happens out of necessity.

    No advantage to being half blind? An old saying is that in the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is King.

    There are transitional fossils which show large changes. You are old enough to remember when creationists would not even admit small changes, the sort you now casually accept.

    Quatermass was a professor so not the insult you intended, but no one will ever call you a professor, even in jest.

    Better take some extra sandwiches for lunch if that is what you want. You are a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

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  • Message 229

    , in reply to message 226.

    Posted by Sir Bernard Quatermass (U1732830) on Sunday, 21st March 2010

    letusreason21. Message 211. What existed before the car? Smelted metal. Woodworking. Metal working. Rubber from tree sap and rubber worked. Invention of the wheel. Use of the wheel in vehicles, refined for cycles. Discovery of and method of generation of electricity. Discovery of conductors and insulators. Discovery of glass, and use in windows. Discovery of oil, refining of oil and production of fuels, eventually petrol.

    And so on. The car did not suddenly come about but from a thousand previous processes which had nothing to do with the car. The same with your computer. The same with the human body. We have ample examples in the fossil record, and even alive today.

    Expecting unliving materials to produce something on their own is wrong. Comparing them to living, evolving organisms is even more wrong, if possible.

    To destroy the ID argument yet again.

    Pointing to modern DNA and saying it could not just happen is stating the obvious. It did not happen. Only creationists use it because they do not know anything about evolution. A strand of RNA was first formed, similar to what we have created in a lab. That took 500 million years to form. It took another four billion years and untold millions of changes for that to become us.

    If god made us from dirt, why all the DNA, etc? He could have made us from cardboard with ink for blood and we could live on the sun. Why the natural order to everything, the fine balances?

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  • Message 230

    , in reply to message 226.

    Posted by Sir Bernard Quatermass (U1732830) on Sunday, 21st March 2010

    Message posted by letusreason

    Because, life for us must not just have purpose [survival] but *meaning*, we are not like animals that just eat, sleep, reproduce and die! 



    We are. Modern civilisation is a modern invention. Most of our history, we lived no better than animals.


    If we are here merely to survive, then we are truly no better than a cat or dog, as they survive, like we do! I for one do not believe that, we are children meant for better things...! 


    That is just your ego talking.

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  • Message 231

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    Posted by NearlySane (U3123538) on Monday, 22nd March 2010

    You are replying to:

    Message posted by Heselbine


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    Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. Thanks for giving me a huge laugh this morning, I was feeling a bit ropey.

    Your logic is that the smaller a particular part of the body is, the less chance it could have evolved. Fantastic.

     


    This was indeed so fantastic that I've submitted it to fstdt

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