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Message 1 - posted by Religion_Host
(U1716878)
, Apr 9, 2009
The Narnia Code is a documentary examining claims that CS Lewis's Narnia Chronicles contain a hidden meaning. Dr Michael Ward, an academic and expert in all things Lewisian, claims he has discovered the Narnia Code. He will be available on this message board thread to answer your questions (during board opening hours) on Friday the 17th of April. Follow this link to find out more about the programme: www.bbc.co.uk/progra...Kind regards Religion Host
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Message 2 - posted by theoverlay
(U13781513)
, Apr 9, 2009
?? I thought it was well known that it was a religious metaphor? Especially seeing as Lewis was arguably the most famous religious commentator of his day.
The Screwtape Letters is probably his best work imo.
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Message 3 - posted by tpurchase
(U13916354)
, Apr 15, 2009
Are there plans to show this program on BBC-America?
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Message 4 - posted by theoverlay
(U13781513)
, Apr 17, 2009
I take back what i said. This was actually very interesting. Not really sure about the claims that it will cause us to question the universe more but it certainly cements Lewis even more in the literary genius bracket.
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Message 5 - posted by teamlpg
(U12037280)
, Apr 17, 2009
It is a great pity that an interesting documentary for the first 40 minutes was used for Creationist propaganda for the last 20 minutes. Once sided pseudo scientific babble from theologians and religious academics who were clearly trying to use the programme to argue that this provided some kind of evidence of God's existence.
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Message 6 - posted by Ma'at
(U8965295)
, Apr 17, 2009
Hi, I think it fairly safe to say that Lewis didn’t process in words, he thought in images and senses, and then was exceptionally good at translating these into words.
Lewis talks about people pouring over the minutia of the NT for years, seeing mythology, etc. and wants to know his ‘palette’ how good he is at detecting the ‘flavour’, not how many years he has been doing it. ‘They claim to see fern seed’, but can’t see the elephant ten yards away.
For me, this decoding of Lewis does his work no favours. There is something in the spirit/psyche that needs mystery and ‘the unfinished’ (as identified recently in Japanese ‘Wabi Sabi’). It’s what makes his books timelessly popular, what gives the spirit a yearning for flight and creation. He knew that.
All writers and orators have underlying (even unconscious) influences. Was the parable of the seeds and wakening of wisdom influenced by the more ancient concept ‘When the student is ready the master appears’? If Jesus was influenced by this, does it make his words more or less wonderful? In some ways less, imo. Perhaps the planets are an underlying influence, but as was mentioned, it’s not what the stories ARE it’s only what they’re made of.
Are you saying that the ‘secret fundamental layer’ is simply a code, a mechanism?
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Message 7 - posted by davidjbarratt
(U13920549)
, Apr 17, 2009
Having just been sent Micael Ward's book to review, I was pleasantly surprised to find what a sensation it was making. Well done, BBC! It really is the most interesting book on Narnia I have read for some time, striking out in an original way by going to the roots of Lewis's own speciality scholarship in Medieval Literature. I've always seen the Narnia Chronicles tied together as being quest stories- each quest varies, but the patterns remain the same. Ward barely acknowledges this unity, but his insights certainly expand the range of interpretations possible. I too thought the last 20 minutes was making rather large claims about the way we might see God. However, as the BBC so rarely acknowledges there is still a case to be made for the existence of God and a spiritually meaningful universe, I was still very happy for the time to be used in this way.
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Message 8 - posted by theoverlay
(U13781513)
, Apr 17, 2009
Calling it 'Creationist propaganda' is a bit strong. I just felt they stepped away from Lewis's world view towards the end and started talking about it in too much of a general way. For me, they should have stuck to Lewis's view and let the audience take from that what they will.
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Message 9 - posted by Religion_Host
(U1716878)
, Apr 17, 2009
A reminder that Dr Michael Ward will be joining us on this thread later this morning to discuss The Narnia Code and answer your questions. If you missed the programme or would like to see it again, it's available here: www.bbc.co.uk/progra...Kind regards Religion Host
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Message 10 - posted by cholmwood
(U13920543)
, Apr 17, 2009
I felt the last section of the programme was exploring the connection between Lewis's use of the planets as 'spiritual symbols' and what these symbols might mean to us generally - not just in terms of the Narnia books.
Perhaps it went too quickly on to this without examining the step in between. which is not only why it's been shown that each book relates to a planet, but what this symbolism is intended to tell us about the character of the God of whom Lewis was writing.
The programme was terrific, and more about how each book relates to this proposed symbolic scheme would have made it even more enjoyable!
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Message 11 - posted by poshseagull
(U13920387)
**, Apr 17, 2009
I only watched part of the programme, but nowhere did I hear it stated that Lewis was an Anglican. We heard about his "conversion" to Christianity, but in fact he was born and brought up Anglican (Church of Ireland) and returned to the same faith (Church of England). Of course, if he'd been or become a Roman Catholic, that would have been highlighted.
PS I'm using the reply mechanism since I'm not sure how to create a message.
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Message 12 - posted by Religion_Host
(U1716878)
, Apr 17, 2009
Hi tpurchase
At the moment I have no news on whether it will be available on BBC America but if I hear anything in the next few days I'll post on this thread and let you know.
Regards Religion Host
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Message 13 - posted by U13920588
(U13920588)
, Apr 17, 2009
What a wonderful program and I was very impressed by the depth and breadth of content. I had to smile when I read a response about "Creationist Propaganda," particularly when the BBC regularly feeds us a diet of programs by Dawkins or Marr - I guess these are examples of objective journalism  The program reflected Lewis's worldview and the BBC is to be commended for having the integrity to show this. Thank you!
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Message 14 - posted by teamlpg
(U12037280)
, Apr 17, 2009
I apologise if the word propaganda was a bit too strong. However I have to say the programme was clearly in two parts. The first 40 minutes was an interesting exploration of both CS Lewis the man and how he hid the nature of his Narnia stories. The way the books reflected the characters attributed to the planets from Medieval times, albeit originating from pre christian religions, was truly fascinating. However the last 20 minutes really was something else. Maybe propaganda is too strong, but clearly the programme seemed to have another agenda. The meanings of the books had been fully explained within the first 40 minutes. The following comments offered no further insights into the actual subject of the programme. Instead there was an endless stream of opinion on how the findings of the book somehow provided meaningful evidence of the existence of God. That they took liberties with what CS Lewis might have believed is debateable. That they took liberties with the opinions of leading Atheists and scientists is without doubt in my mind.
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Message 15 - posted by teamlpg
(U12037280)
, Apr 17, 2009
How was this programme an example of objective journalism? If you want to give Dawkin's programmes as an example he has the courage of his convictions and a confidence in his arguments to invite people of the opposite view onto his programmes and give them the opportunity to debate with him. This programme however did nothing like this, and worse still spoke for him, by giving what they said were his arguments.
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Message 16 - posted by n4blue
(U3849855)
, Apr 17, 2009
Hi poshseagull,
You said " Of course, if he'd been or become a Roman Catholic, that would have been highlighted."
Yes they failed to mention Lewis's denomination, but they also failed to mention that Tolkien was a Roman Catholic, although they talked about his faith.
In the context of the programme, I think they were right to disregard denominational afffiliations. When you're talking about whether or not the universe has meaning, denominations seem utterly irrelevant.
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Message 17 - posted by won.glove
(U11322764)
, Apr 17, 2009
I wonder if this interesting and informative programme will be shown at a more reasonable hour so that the younger readers will be able to see it? Perhaps Sunday evening? There are so few programmes of this nature.
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Message 18 - posted by Religion_Host
(U1716878)
, Apr 17, 2009
Hi won.glove
I've no information about whether the programme will be repeated but it is available to watch on BBC iPlayer.
Best wishes Religion Host
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Message 19 - posted by Owen-A-Barfield
(U13920599)
, Apr 17, 2009
I am the grandson of Owen Barfield – a fellow Inkling and great friend of C.S. Lewis: Lewis referred to him as his “Second Friend” - the one who never fails to challenge one and prod one to new understanding. The two conducted a vibrant correspondence (known as “the Great War”) covering many years, during which Lewis and Barfield debated the meaning of the supernatural and the identity of God.
In ‘Surprised by Joy’ – Lewis’ own account of his conversion to Christianity – Lewis credits Barfield as one of the 3 individuals critical in bringing him towards God. The other 2 were George MacDonald and G.K.Chesterton. Tolkien is not cited as one of those whom Lewis himself considered significant in his conversion, and yet the BBC programme on Planet Narnia attributed Tolkien with the bringing of Lewis to Christianity! No mention was made at all of Barfield, MacDonald or Chesterton! Perhaps Tolkien did play a part in Lewis’ conversion, but I am deeply concerned that Barfield’s achievements (and those of the others) are being incorrectly attributed in this case to the established Brand Name.
On the other hand, I thought the part on Planet Narnia, and Michael Ward’s theory very credible and informative. I am reading the Narnia chronicles to my children – just as Tolkien read Grandfather’s children’s fairy tale, ‘The Silver Trumpet’ to his children – and they found your ideas both understandable and absorbing!
For more information on Owen Barfield please see: www.owenbarfield.org
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Message 20 - posted by CarlPierce
(U13879966)
, Apr 17, 2009
I was very disappointed especially by the end of this programme. It simply turned into creationist nonsense about how a magical explaination of the universe is SO much better than one based on reality and that those pesky Athiests are at it again trying to take away our fairy stories. I was also angry that no attempt was made to balance the programme - it simply isn't acceptable to criticise the 'new Athiests' like Richard Dawkins without offering them a chance to reply. Well BBC in the interests of BALANCE I expect an hour long show dedicated to the new Athiests - I'm sure they would enjoy the chance to demolish the nonsense in this programme. Oh sorry I forgot you don't give Athiests a platform for fear of 'offending' someone.
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