Christian topic

On the evolution/creation topic it is suggested that Christians are lying when they give creationist views and so too are the creationist websites.

Why would that be?

Christians know that they are accountable to God and are not to bear false witness and if they do there are consequences and judgement to face.

Non-Christians however do not have that authority to be accountable to in their view so who better to trust with information?

Hi Watchwoman,

I think the accusation of lying is directed at those Christians who first get their misinformation from creationist sites, and then, after being shown that it is wrong, they repeat it...knowing it is wrong. That is lying.

To suggest that non-Christians are less trustworthy than Christians is understandable, but idiotic.

Hi Breachy,

The lake of fire will be full of people who believed the words and theories of men more than the word of God.

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They'll be far more interesting people to talk to than the other lot upstairs!

People lie about creationism not because they are Christians, but because they are creationists.

The purpose of creationist lies is to persuade people to accept that the whole Bible is factually accurate; one cannot do this when there are factual inaccuracies on page one and contradictions on Page 2.So the creation stories are the first port of call.


The purpose of persuading people that the Bible is all factually accurate is to get people to join fundamentalist churches and give money, and vote for fundamentalist candidates in elections, and bring about a dominant role in our society for fundamentalist religion.

Everyone who cares about democracy and choice should oppose fundamentalism, whether they are Christians ,other theists, or agnostics or atheists. Fundamentalism is only one highly questionable interpretation of the Bible. It has no claim to fact. It is a distortion of Christianity.

I think a lot of people fall into the trap of taking what is a faith-based issue and trying to force it into fact (i.e. belief in God/non-belief in God) Science can prove neither, it can certainly provide evidence one way or the other, but no proof can be found because science does not hold a monopoly on fact.

Creation is not a matter of science it is a matter of history, science can inform it and provide evidence, but it cannot prove it. Creation does hold a documented account, that of Genesis, coupled with creation stories around the world of a "deity" forming the world.

Evolution is a many twisted argument. As there is absolutely no evidence of transitional forms we can take it that evolution has nothing to say on the subject of origins, and transitiional forms and the evolution of man is a fallacy. Microevolution is scientific fact however, yet still has no bearing on the origins of life.

<The purpose of persuading people that the Bible is all factually accurate is to get people to join fundamentalist churches and give money, and vote for fundamentalist candidates in elections, and bring about a dominant role in our society for fundamentalist religion.


what trash! Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world........real christians take him seriously!

<It has no claim to fact.>

what's yours?

< It is a distortion of Christianity.>

you wouldn't recognise christianity!

<It is naive, in scriptural term I suppose. But that naivity does have in itself a certain merit. It is a dangerous game to play though, because it sets conditions both upon God and upon scripture, which if shown to be false, can result in ones whole faith being decimated. >

"all scripture is God breathed" - either you believe what it says about itself or you don't!

do please list some verified facts which are outside science.
I don't believe there are any.

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Prove to me, using only scientific observation, that Plato existed.

Genesis is not verified history,only legend. It is not suported by historical finds,as the scientific account is.

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What scientific account?

Evolutin is a simple process which pervades every aspect of life,including the development of ideas and religions.Even the Bible can be shown to have evolved by natural selection.

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Agreed. Point?

<do please list some verified facts which are outside science.
I don't believe there are any.>


do please tell us the basis upon which you BELIEVE that which you BELIEVE to be 'fact' is indeed fact. Without an absolute, your assertion is naive!

Freeminer you refuse to use the meaning of words but instead make up your own. Why you don't look in a dictionary I don't know but your post here is blatantly wrong and considering your attitude pretty close to a lie.