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  • Message 51

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  • Message 52

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Sunday, 27th March 2011

    Maybe it's possible to go triple-barrelled in certain cases?

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  • Message 54

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    Posted by vee-tail (U3161889) on Sunday, 27th March 2011

    Still they come, spouting tosh, and accusing others of 'racism'.
    Why do they do it? For what reason does this sometimes self loathing group of English people continually try to play the 'Every immigrant is English' game.
    Perhaps it's just PC thinking gone mad, or perhaps there is a deeper class hatred or sense of guilt for Britain's colonial past? If you are English like me then be proud of it. If you are of some other ethnicity then be proud of that; and for goodnes sakes avoid any weird English people who try to tell you that you are English when you are not. smiley - erm

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  • Message 55

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    Posted by dod19 (U14705887) on Sunday, 27th March 2011

    'I did not mean, as you do, those people pretending to be compassionate,'

    Oh silly me, how amazingly perceptive you are.  
    What are you trying to say?

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  • Message 56

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    Posted by Tom Adustus (U9467814) on Sunday, 27th March 2011

    The village i live in is ethnically just like those in Midsomer Murders.although we do not usually have any murders of course. Brian True May's comments would be correct based on the population of ethnic minorities in our village because there is no ethnic minority here. 

    Excellent point, but it will be lost on the politically correct commissars at the BBC.

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  • Message 57

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    Posted by 1eriugenus (U14124095) on Sunday, 27th March 2011

    I must say that in my limited experience English villages tend to lack non-white people, as they also lack pavements, streetlights, public transport, libraries, book-shops & in fact, almost everything that makes life worth living.

    Why do the Archers persist in their fiction that non-white people would want to live in the countryside ? Why would they ? Why would any sane person ?

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  • Message 58

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    Posted by madfor4 (U6248038) on Sunday, 27th March 2011

    Is it only English villages that have to be 'PC'?

    I may be wrong but "Ballykissangel", "Glenbogle" (Monarch of the Glen) and "Lochdubh" (Hamish Macbeth) seemed to function without non-white citizens.

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  • Message 59

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    Posted by 1eriugenus (U14124095) on Sunday, 27th March 2011

    M4

    yes but Ballamory is very multi-racial !

    I think it depends on what image your tourist board wishes to portray.

    In real life English villages are pretty white, but they're also pretty threatening & unpleasant in all kinds of ways. You might think it a good idea to stick with that, or others might try to broaden the appeal. I don't know the answer & really isn't is just marketing, one way or the other?

    I genuinely don't know why people are getting so het-up, but I suspect Mr True-May wouldn't have gone if he'd otherwise been seen as a brilliant person in that job.

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  • Message 60

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Sunday, 27th March 2011

    He was probably leaving anyway if the truth were known.

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  • Message 61

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    Posted by Matthew (U2355698) on Monday, 28th March 2011

    What tosh... Try reading up on the difference between ethnicity and nationality. 

    Wikipedia says:

    An ethnic group (or ethnicity) is a group of people whose members identify with each other, through a common heritage, often consisting of a common language, a common culture (often including a shared religion) and an ideology that stresses common ancestry or endogamy.[1][2] [3], "...in general it is a highly biologically self-perpetuating group sharing an interest in a homeland connected with a specific geographical area, a common language and traditions, including food preferences, and a common religious faith" 

    England is where ethnically English people live  What tosh... England is a patch of ground, populated by a group of people, the majority of whom would describe themselves as English and think of themselves as English (as an ethnic group).

    I disagree that "English" means "ethnically English" otherwise "ethnically English" would be tautologous.

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  • Message 62

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    Posted by vee-tail (U3161889) on Monday, 28th March 2011

    Mathew If you are English what is your problem?smiley - sadface
    If you are not English what is your agenda?smiley - erm

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  • Message 63

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    Posted by fitz (U14334871) on Monday, 28th March 2011

    "In real life English villages are pretty white, but they're also pretty threatening & unpleasant in all kinds of ways."

    This type of inane ignorant comment cannot go unchallenged.

    Firstly may I ask if you have ever been in an English village?

    If you have where was it? What was unpleasant about it and what frightened you there? Were you experiencing some form of psychosis at the time?

    Yes they are pretty (sic) white and most villages in Africa are black. What is your point?

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  • Message 64

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    Posted by Matthew (U2355698) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    Mathew If you are English what is your problem? 
    My problem is that considering that a person whose skin is not white is not English is a gross injustice to that person. You cannot help where you're born and you cannot help the colour of your skin. If you consider someone born here not to be English then at least you are depriving them of part of their identity; at worst, the likes of the BNP would consider such a person has less (if not no) right to live here at all.

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  • Message 65

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    Posted by Matthew (U2355698) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    avoid any weird English people who try to tell you that you are English when you are not  It's the English people who try to tell you that you are not English when you are that really scare me.

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  • Message 66

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  • Message 67

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    Posted by JermeriClart (U14480026) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    What about footballers and other sportspeople, from various ethnic backgrounds, who are selected to play for England - according to strict criteria - if they were born here.

    Though , sometimes, they can also be eligible to play for the country of their parents' birth - and have to make a choice.

    Is there such a thing as English 'ethnicity' anyway, especially considering we are a mongrel race - made up of Saxons, Celts, Normans, Vikings - and now all the other ethnic groups who have made their homes here.

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  • Message 69

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011


    If you went to India with Cliff Richard and asked a whole range of Indians what ethnicity they thought he was, they would say he is ethnically English. They wouldn't consider a white person to be of Indian ethnicity.

    Similarly George Orwell.

    See, when it's the other way round it's not the same, is it? Nobody would take any sort of pretend offence at that. Other countries have more pride in themselves and know where they are, the PC police haven't corrupted them yet.


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  • Message 70

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    <quoteyou can be a British-muslim but you are not ethnically English nor can you ever be. Put simply they do not belong to the same ethnic background as myself, I am entitled to ethnicity like the immigrant and mine is my own - English - period! </quote>

    British Muslim...

    I doubt you would ever hear a Muslim person put "British" first. They generally say they are Muslim first when they are asked what they consider themselves to be.

    I saw a tv programme where various people were asked what they considered themselves to be, they almost all said Muslim first, and varied in the next bit as Pakistani or British, depending more or less on their age. I don't recall anybody saying English. Perhaps they went with their passports.

    I would never say I was British Atheist. People don't say they are British Christians either (do they?)

    We do seem to be afraid of ourselves in this country, don't we?

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  • Message 71

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    I might need to clarify my msg 69.

    Cliff Richard and George Orwell were both born in India.

    As was Vivienne Leigh, I understand.

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  • Message 72

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    Posted by Mathos-le-Rhymer (U2504551) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    That'll be Harry Webb, Eric Blair and Vivian Hartley then!

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  • Message 73

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    Indeed it will.

    Thank you for those nice Indian names... smiley - smiley

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  • Message 74

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    Posted by caissier (U14073060) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    <quoteyou can be a British-muslim but you are not ethnically English nor can you ever be. Put simply they do not belong to the same ethnic background as myself, I am entitled to ethnicity like the immigrant and mine is my own - English - period!
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    I thought you said you were a Viking, leodis! (....coming over here, nicking our illuminated manuscripts, pillaging and operating a protection racket on our poor old king Ethelred ........ )

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  • Message 75

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    caissier, that was a quote from msg 68 though which I had (badly) inserted in my post - missing the > off the first quote..

    Yes, a bit of Viking stock diluted with old English and a soupcon of German Jew on my father's side via Devon. Maybe that's why I'm atheist (religion being a brain defect), the Vikings were atheists before the Romans started moving up and they thought they'd better go with the flow. I obviously haven't inherited temporal lobe dysfunction.

    www.danishnet.com/in...
    romandanes.blogspot....

    Remember 13 Nov 1002, St Brice's Day?

    Ah well, sorry for the invasion, guv, but that was before my time. I wouldn't be looking for religious texts if I were invading - whether to melt down or not. On second thoughts, I don't know.

    Fortunately, I don't carry the "Viking Man's Burden" .

    Still the Chinese will have a different man's burden when they've finished in Africa. Will they be worried?

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  • Message 76

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    Posted by vee-tail (U3161889) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    As I have posted earlier, it's the pretend offence of people like Matthew that is puzzling. There are quite a lot of them about and they can get quite passionate and insulting. What is motivating them and what do they get out of the nonsense they spout? Curious people smiley - erm

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  • Message 77

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    Probably a lack of anything with substance to contribute means they can only join in that way.

    The post you mention, viz "It's the English people who try to tell you that you are not English when you are that really scare me." is strange.

    It's not something I've ever known as a topic of conversation. Do English people wander around doing this? It just doesn't come up in conversation. I think he also shows another misunderstanding of the difference between ethnic English and British passports. Many people have dual passports, so where's the Britishness there? They choose to keep the link back to their homeland - for what purpose?

    However, some Muslims are allowed to go around spouting what they think are offensive comments about kaff*rs (I couldn't put the word in last time so I've put an asterisk in place of the I) and unbelievers burning in hell. You know, like the shoe-throwing at Mr Bush - it only works within your own culture, chaps, it's just amusing to someone else. All that hitting of Saddam's statue with flip-flops was just bizarre to the rest of the world.

    But not as weird as cheese-rolling!

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  • Message 78

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    Posted by Matthew (U2355698) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    If you went to India with Cliff Richard and asked a whole range of Indians what ethnicity they thought he was, they would say he is ethnically English. They wouldn't consider a white person to be of Indian ethnicity. 

    Well, I'd call him English, because he has lived most of his life here and, even though he was born in a foreign country, that country was colonised by Great Britain. Wikipedia calls him English:

    "Sir Cliff Richard, OBE (born Harry Rodger Webb; 14 October 1940)[1] is an English pop star,"

    but then goes on to say

    "Harry Rodger Webb was born on 14 October 1940 at the King George Hospital, Victoria Street, in Lucknow, India, to Rodger Oscar Webb, a manager for a catering contractor that serviced the Indian Railways, and Dorothy Marie Webb (née Bhattacharjee)."

    So, the question is, do you, and vee- tail and Putuck think he's English?

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  • Message 79

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    Posted by dod19 (U14705887) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    There have been thousands (probably hundreds of thousands, don't know the figure) of British/English living in Spain over the last forty years. They have bought houses, villas etc. in Spain. Problem they don't have a very good reputation with the Spanish - I wonder why - do they move to Spain and become model citizens - I don't think so!

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  • Message 80

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    Cliff's ethnicity is English, I reckon. Wikipedia calls him English.

    Anyone remember the Who Do You Think You Are programme about Alistair McGowan, who has anglo-Indians in his family history?
    Wikipedia calls him British.
    en.wikipedia.org/wik...

    The article in Wiki says Cliff's mother was Anglo-Indian, and her mother was English. She married an Englishman, so presumably he has more English genes. Photo of her here: www.dailymail.co.uk/...

    Page here about Englishness:
    en.wikipedia.org/wik...

    "The concept of an English nation is older than that of a British nation. ....English people descended from Britons, Germanics, Vikings and Normans.

    "They found that while 58% of white people described their nationality as "English", the vast majority of non-white people called themselves "British".

    "The term "English" is not used to refer to the earliest inhabitants of the area that would become England: Palaeolithic hunter-gatherers, Celtic Britons, and Roman colonists.[31] This is because up to and during the Roman occupation of Britain, the region now called England was not a distinct country; all the native inhabitants of Britain spoke Brythonic languages and were regarded as Britons (or Brythons) divided into many tribes.

    "The word "English" refers to a heritage that began with the arrival of the Anglo-Saxons in the 5th century, who settled lands already inhabited by Romano-British tribes. That heritage then comes to include later arrivals, including Scandinavians, Normans, as well as those Romano-Britons who still lived in England."

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  • Message 81

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    Posted by malizon (U10119599) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    I would never say I was British Atheist. People don't say they are British Christians either (do they?) 

    But we do say 'Irish Catholic' and the opposite is 'English Protestant'. This is a traditional split down ethnic lines(obviously, there have been mixtures both ways ever since Henry VIII).

    However, this is very much akin to 'Pakistani Muslim' or 'Indian Hindu'.

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  • Message 82

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    Posted by malizon (U10119599) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    There have been thousands (probably hundreds of thousands, don't know the figure) of British/English living in Spain over the last forty years. They have bought houses, villas etc. in Spain. Problem they don't have a very good reputation with the Spanish - I wonder why - do they move to Spain and become model citizens - I don't think so!  But are they Spanish?

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  • Message 83

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    Posted by malizon (U10119599) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    Here's the clincher: I know a black woman without a drop of African blood. Her nationality is Papuan New Guinea and her ethnicity is negroid, for want of a different word.

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  • Message 84

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    It seems that she very likely has African ethnicity, according to this article about Papua New Guinea:

    "Human remains have been found which have been dated to about 50,000 years ago. These ancient inhabitants probably had their origins in Southeast Asia, themselves originating in Africa 50,000 to 70,000 years ago.

    "New Guinea was one of the first landmasses after Africa and Eurasia to be populated by modern humans, with the first migration at approximately the same time as that of Australia."

    en.wikipedia.org/wik...

    That's something I didn't know before. That's the thing about this board, you are drawn to do research you wouldn't normally have done.

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  • Message 85

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    Problem they don't have a very good reputation with the Spanish - I wonder why - do they move to Spain and become model citizens - I don't think so!  

    Indeed. They don't call it the Costa del Crime for nothing.

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  • Message 88

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    Posted by fitz (U14334871) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011

    "I mean it's a real blast from the past, never mind no effnicks, it seems to have a shop, a working church, a pub and, absolutely unbelievably at a time when even large towns like Twickenham have only a portakabin, - A POST OFFICE - sheer fantasy!"

    I really must disagree with your presumption that such villages are 'sheer fantasy'.

    I could direct you to many such places within an hour's drive of my own small village. We have two pubs, a shop, a garage and a working church. As I have said earlier on these boards those who live in built-up areas really should get out more and witness that not all ares of England are multi-cultural.

    Also villages are not 'threatening and unpleasant in all kinds of ways' as the poster in message 59 ignorantly alleges.

    With regard to the lack of facilities in Twickenham I can only sympathise with you. But look on the bright side- you are handy for the Boat Race.

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  • Message 89

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    Posted by Matthew (U2355698) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011

    As I have posted earlier, it's the pretend offence of people like Matthew that is puzzling. There are quite a lot of them about and they can get quite passionate and insulting.  
    I don't understand why you think it's "pretend"? I really am offended.

    What is motivating them and what do they get out of the nonsense they spout? 
    I thought I'd answered this a couple of times already, but let's have another go...

    Who am I? A white, middle-class, privately educated, professional person living in rural England. The town where I live is overwhelmingly white, however, I work for a Japanese company and so come into contact (either by email or face to face) with people from all over the world every day. I'm not a socialist; I don't read the Guardian (but don't read the Daily Mail, either). I work for a private company. I don't wear dangly earrings or go on demos.

    What is motivating me? I have already mentioned a sense of injustice, but there's also a pedantic interest in challenging nonsense: I am not spouting nonsense; you are.

    You seem to think that "Englishness" and "ethnic Englishness" mean the same thing. I don't agree. As a consequence, you seem to think that because, if you're not white you're not ethnically English (more on that story later), if you're not white, you're not English. I violently disagree.

    What do we mean by "ethnicity"? Looking at the Wikipedia definition, it seems to involve two broad areas: genetics and culture (including heritage, food, religion etc). Let's start with genetics:

    I have already said that "race" has very little meaning genetically likened races to paint colours. If we survey the map of the genes of the people of this planet, what do we see? For a start, we see no lines, no borders; you cannot tell where one race (or ethnic group) starts and another finishes. This is restating what I have already explained, but there's another key point: not only are there no lines on this map, you cannot even point to part of it and same this bit represents this race (or ethnic group) and that bit another: the overlap between the areas representing each race (or ethnic group) are almost as big as the areas themselves (areas which have no boundary, remember). Basically, the genetic diversity within any race (or ethnic group) is much bigger than any difference between them. If you were to measure the genetic diversity of say "the English" some way, you would not increase that genetic diversity by much if you added an equivalent number of (say) Nigerians. What do the genes do that fall outside these (boundary-less) overlaps? Generally, they govern what we look like. Why? Because what we look like is on the outside and so is more likely to be influenced by the environment and, hence, evolution. So, the genetic part of ethnicity is small: you can point to the obvious difference between one family tree and another, but actually it makes little difference to actual genes. That's not PC; it's just C. The question is, is that genetic part significant? More on that story later.

    So, what about the cultural part of ethnicity? As I said, I interact with people from other countries every day and I have been doing that for the last 13 years. This has taught me that difference between individuals is far more significant than the difference between cultures. You get nice people and nasty; helpful and unhelpful; friendly and unfriendly; clever and thick; outward-going and shy etc etc in any ethnic group/race/culture whatever. To me it's much the same thing as race: the map of cultures has no lines either and the overlaps are again huge. Working here has taught me that culture only begins to be significant and hence a useful concept when groups of people interact with each other (I guess because the nice/nasty, think/clever bits cancel and you're left only with the small differences). You can call this PC if you like. It's just what life has taught me. I can't call it C, because it's merely a matter of opinion. However, I think the key word in this whole paragraph is "useful".

    Let's introduce a cast:

    me - both parents English; all grandparents English

    Cliff - 1/4 Indian

    my friends' children (father English, mother brought up in the east by parents both from a third country)

    Lenny Henry

    Mohammed Sidique Khan

    Am I English? Yes. No debate surely. The word "English" is useful.

    Is Cliff English? It seems so, yes. I certainly agree. Again, the word "English" is useful.

    my friends' children? They don't look it; genetically they're only half English and they don't look English. But genes aren't that useful in this context. What about culture? You couldn't out a fag paper between their culture and my kids culture: absolutely identical. Unquestionably English in my view even though they're not white. Is that useful? Yes! They certainly ain't French, for goodness sake!

    Lenny Henry? Again, unquestionably English. he speaks with a Brummie accent for goodness sake! Ethnically English? Possibly not? Is that distinction useful? If you're casting for a play, I suppose, otherwise I can't see much use.

    Mohammed Sidique Khan? Again, unquestionably English. He was born here, he spoke with a Yorkshire accent. Is calling him English useful? Yes - again, he certainly wasn't French! Ethnically English? No? Catastrophically not - definitely a "useful" distinction.

    I don't feel that the above is the rantings of a wild-eyed PC fanatic. If you do, then I really don't think we can go any further.

    (posted hastily now with no chance for checking because lunchtime is coming to an end)

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  • Message 90

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    Posted by Mathos-le-Rhymer (U2504551) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011

    Is this thread still going!? not after toomorrow methinks....the boards I think will be murdered and we'll need Barnaby to investigate.

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  • Message 91

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    Posted by Poppy55 (U10228702) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011

    This is one of the things I dont understand of UK: the obsession with races.
    It is only a tv program, a fictional story about a small town. Nobody in this program talk about races or superiority of any kind. There is a murder and they are investigating, later the killer is caught and end of the story.

    I am a foreign and I found the program nice. In real life I found annoying all these forms when looking for a job about "equality of races" because they are asking me "what race am I?". Sometimes I write that I am Homo sapiens because I dont know what to say. It should be better ask about nationality because everybody knows where they are from but since we dont know our ancestry, we cannot say by sure what race (??if it exists) we are.


    Yes Barnaby should come to investigate about the murder of this messageboard smiley - sadface

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  • Message 92

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    Posted by malizon (U10119599) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011

    Yes, I think the rise of fanatical Islamists shows that it is loyalties that are more important than race.

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  • Message 93

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    Posted by vee-tail (U3161889) on Thursday, 31st March 2011

    << I don't understand why you think it's "pretend"? I really am offended.>>

    Matthew if you genuinely believe the stuff you have posted then you really have a problem with reality. smiley - erm

    If however you are one of those people who enjoy causing trouble where non exists...

    or have an agenda to inflame community relations...

    or wish to stir up trouble in areas where there are large numbers of foreign immigrants.

    Then shame on you for adding to the racial tensions in this country.

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  • Message 95

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    Posted by Matthew (U2355698) on Thursday, 31st March 2011

    Matthew if you genuinely believe the stuff you have posted then you really have a problem with reality.  
    My argument is based partly on fact (the genetics) and partly on opionion (the culture). "Believe" is a strange word to use about facts: it would be irrational not to be a fact. As I said, my opinions on culture or just that. They are based on real experience. Culture is just "the way we do things around here"; it has no intrinsic value. Individual ways of doing things have value, of course, but are these under threat? I cannot see anyway "way that I do a thing" that is threatened in any way by "PC police", foreigners, immigrants, "liberal elites" or any of the other groups blamed by the likes of the Daily Mail in their countless tales of imaginary threats.

    If however you are one of those people who enjoy causing trouble where non exists...

    or have an agenda to inflame community relations...

    or wish to stir up trouble in areas where there are large numbers of foreign immigrants.

    Then shame on you for adding to the racial tensions in this country. 


    Quite how arguing against the putting of people in groups would add to racial tensions is utterly beyond my comphrehension. I'm with Jovialsnail: why are you so obsessed by race and ethnicity? Why are you so keen to exclude people from your group? How is the world a better place if you divide us into these tribes? How can arguing against the putting of people into groups add to racial tensions? What are YOU scared of? (you don't need to answer that - I've just read your list of imaginary threats in your post in the THE FUTURE thread)

    By all means carry on in your imaginary tribe. By all means mobilise all forces to counter the imaginary threats to it. I shall carry on thinking of people as individuals first and only consider their tribe if it has utility. I think you'd be happier and live longer if you thought the same way.

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  • Message 96

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    Posted by Matthew (U2355698) on Thursday, 31st March 2011

    not ethnically English like you say so not English 
    As I said, I see no utility in excluding Lenny Henry from my "tribe"; I see no "utility" in excluding my friends' children from my children's "tribe" - they are culturally identical, the only difference being their looks. You seem to think that this difference in looks is important (commonly called "race" even though it has no basis biologically). There's a word for people like you. I sincerely hope you never come into contact with my friends' children. There is no point in hoping that they will never come into contact with people like you, because I'm sure they already have.

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  • Message 98

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    Posted by Matthew (U2355698) on Thursday, 31st March 2011

    Now then M regarding your claims about myself. If you look back to message 40 you will see how wrong your assumptions about me are. I claim our lass to be English though she has no idea how much English blood there is in her if any, because she lays claim to NO other culture (and has known no other) unlike Lenworth and others I could name! 

    So, I withdrawn my implied accusation. You did say "not ethnically English like you say so not English" without reference to the sentiments you expressed in message 40 and the two do seem to contradict. Nevertheless, I appolgise sincerely.

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  • Message 99

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    Posted by Matthew (U2355698) on Thursday, 31st March 2011

    Actually, they don't even contradict. I am very sorry.

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