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    Posted by bez (U14820909) on Tuesday, 22nd March 2011

    Having just listened to Front Row on BBC radio 4 about Midsomer Murders i was amazed to hear the guest reviewer say that" it is just not true" that such an English Village exists.I am not sure if Dreda Say Mitchell has been to South Devon which is where i live? The village i live in is ethnically just like those in Midsomer Murders.although we do not usually have any murders of course. Brian True May's comments would be correct based on the population of ethnic minorities in our village because there is no ethnic minority here.

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    Posted by maggi jay (U14472834) on Tuesday, 22nd March 2011

    I too find it hard to believe that a village with a population large enough to support as many murders as Midsomer has no ethnic minorities. Either the natives are very fast breeders, or the incomers are very stupid.

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Tuesday, 22nd March 2011

    Mr True-May is the subject of a page of letters in the Radio Times, some predictably calling him racist when he's nothing of the sort.

    Yet who calls the poppy-burning Muslims racist? You know, those who were fined a pathetic £50 for their offensive behaviour and chanting "British soldiers burn in hell" during the 2 min silence at a Remembrance Day ceremony . Or can people of colour do nothing wrong, especially when they are of a certain religion. Carrying placards saying "Our dead are in paradise, your dead are in hell" is surely racist and offensive. See evidence in the Daily Star picture in the link below (it's the only one I found at short notice with that picture.
    www.dailystar.co.uk/...

    Heres a definition of racism - now where has Mr True-May said anything which complies with this description? As usual, we have to bite our tongues in our own country instead of having our cherished freedom of speech.

    "the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race , especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

    "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior"
    www.oxforddictionari...

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    Posted by Aristotle Tottle (U14488700) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    You're always onto a loser if you want to have an intelligent discussion on anything touching race or ethnicity when it comes to the BBC, because they have only one stance on this matter - absolute craven capitulation to the starry-eyed Rainbow Nation 'only-a-white-person-can-be-racist' Guardian and Independent reading Liberal Left faction.

    If you differ from their views by one iota, they're liable to set Marcus Brigstocke onto you.

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    Posted by malizon (U10119599) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    I too find it hard to believe that a village with a population large enough to support as many murders as Midsomer has no ethnic minorities. 

    maggi jay,

    I'm sure you didn't mean to imply that the murder rate could only be so high if more black people lived there.

    Your statement precludes a high murder rate if the population was increased by more white people.

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    Posted by malizon (U10119599) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    If you differ from their views by one iota, they're liable to set Marcus Brigstocke onto you. 

    God no! I'd rather Darcus Howe.

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    Posted by Hurtgen (U14340693) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    so if we managed to get rid of black folks , would crime drop ?

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    Posted by Joe_the_Gardener (U3478064) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    "...............the starry-eyed Rainbow Nation 'only-a-white-person-can-be-racist' Guardian and Independent reading Liberal Left faction..............."

    This is a complete travesty of the views of millions of people in this country - straight out of the Richard Littlejohn 'say anything for effect' handbook. It has no place in a civilised discussion of the issues.

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    Posted by caissier (U14073060) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    David Mitchell makes some good points beside suggesting the whole furore could have been caused by a mischievous reporter manipulating conversation.

    In reality it would be quite possible to work in an ethnic minority person or persons without spoiling True-May's fantasy villageworld. He was probably having a go at the clumsy tv-puts-the-world-to-rights ostentatious correctness that tv folk take off the shelf from time to time, which is mildly racist itself.

    If MM really wanted to engage with this issue in a drama(tic) way within its genre and explore relevant attitudes it could have as a storyline a variation on the good, old fashioned lynching.

    David Mitchell ........

    www.guardian.co.uk/c...

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    Posted by malizon (U10119599) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    I have said this before but it merits saying again:

    I live in a fairly large Welsh town near the border. Until 5 to 10 years ago (and bear in mind when most of MM episodes were made), our town didn't have any resident 100% black people. In the eary 70s, the only 'black' person was a child whose mother was white.

    Even among the handful of (up to 10 at the most, if that) black (not Asian) residents, there are no black men.

    The Asian population is entirely a different matter. They are mostly the descendents of the first Chinese and Indian takeaways here.

    By far the most significant ethnic minority has always been the Italians since 1945. There are also many Irish people which is pertinent to this debate because I don't recall many Irish accents in MM's either.

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    Well they'd certainly be able to close down the police "Black on Black" Crime Group.

    And the segregated Black Police Association.

    Police Stats tell a story:
    "The official figures, which examine the ethnicity of those accused of violent offences in London, suggest the majority of men held responsible by police for gun crimes, robberies and street crimes are black.

    "...Shaun Bailey, a Tory election candidate in London and a charity worker, said: “The black community has to look at itself and say that, at the end of the day, these figures suggest we are heavily – not casually – involved in violent crime. We are also involved in crime against ourselves – and we regularly attack each other.” "

    www.telegraph.co.uk/...

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    Posted by malizon (U10119599) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    Yes leodis, I'm afraid all groups of people have to be brutally honest with themselves.

    Take men as a group. They still make excuses for rape and domestic violence. An emotionally mature man will accept that woman are resaonable to fear many men.

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    You must recall the black councillor who said she couldn't be racist because she was black.

    She had previously made a comment towards an asian councillor - called her a coconut, which means someone who sides with white people but isn't white outside. That sounds racist to me.

    So, as we are not technically in a black country this is offensive to white folks and shows the segregation they put upon themselves - even those who are in positions of authority.

    Here's the link to what is really going on in our separated communities.
    www.guardian.co.uk/u...

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    Posted by Matthew (U2355698) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    I live in a New Forest market town, which not surprisingly is predominantly white. My wife comes from a New Forest Village, which, again, not surprisingly is predominantly white. Predominantly, not completely.

    There have apparently been well over 1000 different characters in Midsummer Murders, so you would have expected there to have been a few non-white characters amongst them just to reflect a typical English village. The fact that (a) there have been none, (b) that casting only white people was a deliberate policy, which the producer has admitted to, but mainly (c) that the producer equates Englishness with being white makes him a racist in my book.

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    Whether a writer has an all-English cast or not isn't racist. The true definition of race, as opposed to people saying 'That's not fair, I wasn't picked' is on Wiki:


    "Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race, ethnicity, or nationality are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that ethnic differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. Racism's effects are called "racial discrimination." In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or receive preferential treatment."


    Now nowhere has Mr True-May declared that there is an inherent superiority of a particular race.

    Let Bollywood films be taken to task for not having some white people in their films.

    Let India and Pakistan be taken to task for not having white people in a lot of their villages. They don't even care for each other, and Indians have their country divided into castes and won't allow people to upgrade themselves - there's your racism.

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    Posted by tipsytopsy (U2348087) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    There have apparently been well over 1000 different characters in Midsummer Murders, so you would have expected there to have been a few non-white characters amongst them just to reflect a typical English village.  

    I'm not interested in commenting on the 'racist or not' attitude of the producer, but just making a factual observation on the above paragraph.

    I live in a large village - more than 1,250 people. It is not in an isolated part of the country - in fact it is in the Midlands, only 6 miles from the nearest town and only 25 miles from a city with one of the highest concentrations of black and Asian people in the country.

    But there is not one single black person living in the village so I think that the claim that because there are over 1,000 characters in Midsummer Murders there should be a few non-white characters is no more statistically sound than if I were to claim there should not be any ethnic minority characters in Midsummer Murders because I don't have any living in my village.

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    Posted by JermeriClart (U14480026) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    Yes, but as was pointed out on Front Row, Midsommer is a fictional village - one which seems to have little relation to reaity, so why can't there be black characters living in it -a black bank manager, doctor, postman or shopkeeper, say?

    It was stated in Front Row that all our talented black actors are going to America, where they can get highly paid work, because they can't get any here

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    Posted by Mathos-le-Rhymer (U2504551) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    So .........non whites are in it and they are the murderers and (morelikelywiththebodycountinMM) the victims.............and we'll have more complaints from silly people, saying "thats wrong!"

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    Posted by vee-tail (U3161889) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    that the producer equates Englishness with being white makes him a racist in my book. 
    What tosh... Try reading up on the difference between ethnicity and nationality.
    England is where ethnically English people live, and Englishness is a way of describing the culture, attitudes, and way of life of those white skinned european people.


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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Thursday, 24th March 2011

    I suppose we could have Lenny Henry in it sometime.

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Thursday, 24th March 2011

    Here's a black person in Midsomer - the chap is in the same scene as John Nettles too and not acting the part of a slave.

    www.dailymail.co.uk/...

    Sorry it's the daily mail, but it doesn't make it any less true!

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Thursday, 24th March 2011

    If I had been born in Japan it wouldn't make me ethnically Japanese, I'd be ethnically English. Obviously.

    I wouldn't insist they included white people in everything, how silly.

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    Posted by Matthew (U2355698) on Thursday, 24th March 2011

    The true definition of race, as opposed to people saying 'That's not fair, I wasn't picked' is on Wiki: 
    I don't agree with that definition of "racisim" - it is not what I mean by racism. Now you could use that to mock me (probably with some reference to Lewis Carol), so I'll try to start from first principles...

    I think discrimination is OK if the thing that is being discriminated for matters; I think it is not OK if the thing being discriminated for doesn't matter. I don't think many people would disagree with that.

    Race does not have any sound biological foundation. To put it another way: there is no such thing as race. It is like to paint isle at B and Q: there are paints that are clearly blue and others that are clearly green, but it is not clear where blue stops and green starts. Likewise with race: it is not clear where white stops and black starts. That is not liberal faddery; it is hard, scientific fact.

    To quote Steven Pinker: "race is literally skin deep". What we perceive to be race affects what we look like and very little else. Yes, the (tiny minority of) genes that affect what we look like vary with geography and, yes, some other genes that affect other things, do too. And, yes, occasionally there is some correlation between those variations. You'd expect that. But, basically, the genes that affect what we call race affect what we look like and very little else.

    So, it is OK to discriminate of grounds of what we call race if what we look like matters.

    What do I mean by discriminate? I mean "give a toss"; I mean "could care less about"; I certainly mean "make some decision that affects the other person".

    So, in Midsummer Murders, just like in any other activity involving actors, what we look like sometimes matters. Producers care about what actors look like and will discriminate for that. If the whole village were black/indian/chinese/whatever, yet it was supposed to be an English village, that would celarly be stupid.

    Now, it sounds like there are English villages of 1000+ people, all of whom are white. They may or may not be typical. There are certainly villages where not all 1000+ are white; I know, my wife comes from one. Therefore, if one wants to depict a typical English village, one would want most of the occupants to be white. But, given, that some occupants of some villages are not white, you'd think that there would be some characters in the programme, where it didn't matter whether they were white or not. Yet Mr True-May, thinks it does matter. He thinks that ALL the characters should be white, not just a minority. If some of the characters were not white, it would not be any the less a typical; English village. As a consequence, he is discriminating unfairly, because (a) he is denying some non-white actors employment and (b) he is perpetuating the opinion that to be English, you must be white.

    And thinking that to be English you have to be white is racist, pure and simple, even based on that Wikipedia definition:

    In deciding who is and who isn't English, you are discriminating; you are "giving a toss", you are "caring about". Yet, Englishness is merely a nationality. The English are the people who call England their home. They may have been born here, they may not. Their parents may have been born here, they may not. It has absolutely nothing to do with skin colour and so to think otherwise means that you think that skin colour (ie race) matters when it doesn't and therefore you are a racist.

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    Posted by Matthew (U2355698) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    therefore you are a racist  Just to be clear: I am not accusing any poster here of being a racist. I mean that if you think you have to be white to be English you are a racist.

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    Posted by robena40 (U14821863) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    "I think discrimination is OK if the thing that is being discriminated for matters; I think it is not OK if the thing being discriminated for doesn't matter. I don't think many people would disagree with that."

    I'm new here but i can see why they are closing it down!

    As for 'the English', they are Anglo-Saxon.

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    Posted by U14576049 (U14576049) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    Apart from the obvious (and already suggested but predictably ignored) factor that this entire story was either willful manipulation by a journalist or deliberate stirring for PR purposes, just about every pronouncement on this has betrayed just why we are in such a state in this country.

    Midsomer Murders is FICTION! How many black actors are in The Archers BBC?
    How many of the token 'ethnic minorities' that ever appear (as opposed to being mentioned) are actually played by members of that minority? I seem to remember a eastern European character (actually more than one) NONE of which were actually played by those nationals (not that it should matter in a sane world) Is Jazza played by a Scottish person, or Ian played by an Irish person, indeed, should it also become mandatory for homosexual characters to be played by homosexuals and if so, what about heterosexual actors, could they complain if a homosexual actor was playing the part of a heterosexual character?

    Indeed why should a black character be played by a black person? Why should a white character be played by a white person? Surely making black actors play black parts is the height of racism! They should be playing parts. End of!

    And they are, there are plenty of drama series with black actors in, both UK and US dramas, if black actors complain that there is too little work (well darlings there is too little work for ALL actors) then organisise yourselves into production companies and try to make and sell product, if the demand is there (as we are told) you should clean up. The Williams family in the US did just that.

    God help MM if the Gypsies turn up!

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    Hmm, my old workmate (in his 60s now but came here from South America when he was very young) is now registered as British (not English).

    He would never describe himself as English. His ethnicity is African, according to him, even though his ancestors were taken from there to South America and that is where he was born.

    He is very proud of coming from South America, has been back there but not to his roots in West Africa, but is completely English. Albeit with a tang of an accent from his initial years. You wouldn't mistake him for an English person if he spoke to you on the phone.

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Friday, 25th March 2011

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    Midsomer Murders is FICTION! How many black actors are in The Archers BBC? 


    I said that and the post was removed. They obviously don't want the press to start on the Archers!!!

    I've also mentioned elsewhere that The Cosby Show had a complete set of black people in. Now Iiked that show, but it was on so long ago that I can't recall if there were any white actors in it. A quick google only shows images of Bill Cosby et al.

    I've also posted elsewhere a link to a newspaper article which shows a black man walking alongside John Nettles. So it seems it's not that there are no black people,it's that they aren't in the main roles.

    But heck, programmes like NCIS now have black people in as the chiefs, with all the white people answering to them, and as judges in courtrooms. It's the latest thing - first we had to have women in programmes in the top jobs, then it was gay people, now it's moved onto the next thing. Oh yes, you mention gypsies - well they've had a series on tv recently. Which has resulted in fights amongst themselves, apparently.

    I must ask my old workmate what programmes are shown in South America or Africa, whether they are populated by whites or Hispanics or Africans - or indigenous people...

    I suppose eventually it'll move back full circle, why aren't there many whites on tv programmes, they're all gay, Africab, Chinese, French, Norwegian...

    Sells papers, I suppose.

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    Posted by caissier (U14073060) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    Leodis ...... at at time like this could you not, please just shut up banging on and on about ethnic minorities and groups you do not like and making remarks of astonishing mean-ness. It makes you seem deranged. It really does.

    You are probably quite a nice bloke and you have written movingly about hardship in your early life, but you have a whole swarm of bees in your bonnet. For your own sake, and with best wishes, try to give it a rest! ...... if you can.

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    Posted by Matthew (U2355698) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    Hmm, my old workmate (in his 60s now but came here from South America when he was very young) is now registered as British (not English).

    He would never describe himself as English. His ethnicity is African, according to him, even though his ancestors were taken from there to South America and that is where he was born.

    He is very proud of coming from South America, has been back there but not to his roots in West Africa, but is completely English. Albeit with a tang of an accent from his initial years. You wouldn't mistake him for an English person if he spoke to you on the phone.  

    You're friend is entitled to think of himself as English or not, it's up to him. What about someone born in England to parents who emigrated from somewhere else who's skin is not white? Do you consider them English or not?

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    Posted by caissier (U14073060) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    Apart from the obvious (and already suggested but predictably ignored) factor that this entire story was either willful manipulation by a journalist or deliberate stirring

    David Mitchell says (iyhria) ..........

    www.guardian.co.uk/c...

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    Excuse me caissier, but this thread is ABOUT ethnic minorities.

    I am just responding to posts, same as you are doing. I do not carry out my life in such a manner, I am just writing on a message board.

    Fear not, we shall all e giving it a rest. Try not to read my posts if you are alarmed for my mental health. Which is fine, by the way.

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    What about someone born in England to parents who emigrated from somewhere else who's skin is not white? Do you consider them English or not? 

    I don't actually spend all day considering this matter, but... they would not be ethnically English, as I would not be ethnically French if I was born in France, or ethnically Maori if I were born in Australia, or ethnically American Indian if I were born in America. It's not actually skin colour, is it, it's ethnicity. People should be proud of their ethnicity and not say they are something they aren't..

    What about those who have dual passports and who consider themselves to have the best of both worlds. Where is the loyalty? Their ethnic homeland or here?

    I doubt I would be offended if I lived in Japan and someone said to me that I wasn't Japanese I was English, but it seems everybody takes offence at not being called English. Why is this?

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    Posted by madfor4 (U6248038) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    or ethnically Maori if I were born in Australia, 

    No! I agree; you wouldn't.......

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    D'oh, nicely spotted. I meant Aborigine, of course! (A senior moment, maybe early dementia?)

    But I wouldn't be ethnically Maori if I were born in New Zealand.

    There, that's better!

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    Posted by caissier (U14073060) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    Excuse me caissier, but this thread is ABOUT ethnic minorities
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    Blimey, leodis, for you, is there any other kind ............ smiley - doh (......... smiley - smiley)

    ...... and on a technical note - to do with a telly programme smiley - erm

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    You can tell Anna is away, can't you...

    Anyway, we could talk about ethnic majorities if you like... smiley - smiley.

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    Crikey, that's a tour round theh world with her ethnic origins. She not only has an ethnic origin but an ethnic byway through half the world. All very interesting.

    My black chum from work said that his extended family back in South America were all shades - some very pale and some very black indeed (due to friendliness of the plantation owner!). Only his parents and himself came over to England, the rest stayed back home.

    I'd love to have a DNA test done to see more about my ancestry.

    So far on my mother's side I have Danish Vikings (I have genetic proof of that), but on my father's side I recently found I have German Jewish ancestry. And my golly, that took some tracing back, as they gradually came all the way across the northern coast of Europe and one family somehow ended up in Devon a few hundred years ago, having come over from France,with a very rare name, very difficult to find traces of it, and then they changed the blinking spelling when they got here (for whatever reason) -by only one or two letters over the years since, perhaps officials mishearing it and writing it down, who knows.. Oh and I found a couple of families with the variation of the name in Finland of all places.

    And naturally there was breeding with the natives down the line from these two different sources, but I haven't got over the long trail to find what I've found so far. I was going "screen-blind" with trying to trace back to Germany. It could be much more complicated if I statrt going onto offshoots way back, finding the roots of all the people who married in down the centuries.. It's hard to stop once you get on a trail, and I suppose one day I'll have to pick up again and delve further into my maternal grandfather's side - so far they never moved from a particular set of four villages. They had large families then, so they must have taken over whole areas - maybe then it became difficult to relocate, family ties and farming to do.

    Still, not just yet, it's too all-consuming, family research..

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    Posted by Hazel (U14354588) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    "I think discrimination is OK if the thing that is being discriminated for matters; I think it is not OK if the thing being discriminated for doesn't matter. I don't think many people would disagree with that."

    I'm new here but i can see why they are closing it down!

    As for 'the English', they are Anglo-Saxon.

     
    Where do you think the word "English" comes from?

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    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    This is a bit from Wiki:

    "The Angles is a modern English word for a Germanic-speaking people who took their name from the ancestral cultural region of Angeln, a district located in Schleswig-Holstein, Germany. The Angles were one of the main groups that settled in Britain in the post-Roman period, founding several of the kingdoms of Anglo-Saxon England, and their name is the root of the name "England"."

    and:

    "The original noun from which this adjective was produced has not been determined with confidence. The stem is theorized to have had the form *Ang?l/r-. The more prominent etymological theories concerning the name's origin have included:

    *"Derivation from the Latin word angulus, translating as "angle".

    * The Old English word for the Jutlandic district of Angeln (where the Angles are believed to have emigrated from) is Angel. This is the preferred etymological theory amongst historians, and may connect to Angle (the peninsula is noted for its "angular" shape).

    *It may mean "the people who dwell by the Narrow Water," (i.e. the Schlei), from the Proto-Indo-European language root ang- meaning "narrow".

    *Derivation from the Germanic god Ingwaz or the Ingvaeones federation of which the Angles were part (the initial vowel could as well be "a" or "e").


    en.wikipedia.org/wik...

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    Posted by dod19 (U14705887) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    This 'English Village' topic has become rediculous. Black, brown, white etc. - the only thing that matters is what type of individual are you? Kind, compassionate, caring, honest and trustworthy does it for me.

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    Posted by U14576049 (U14576049) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    'Kind, compassionate, caring, honest and trustworthy does it for me. '

    Yes I agree, thats just the type that turn out to be the murderers, the ones you least suspect!

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    Posted by dod19 (U14705887) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    'Kind, compassionate, caring, honest and trustworthy does it for me. '

    Yes I agree, thats just the type that turn out to be the murderers, the ones you least suspect! 
    I did not mean, as you do, those people pretending to be compassionate, caring, honest and trustworthy, I meant those who genuinely are - and, yes, these people do exist.

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  • Message 47

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    Posted by robena40 (U14821863) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    "What about someone born in England to parents who emigrated from somewhere else who's skin is not white? Do you consider them English or not?"

    I don't. I would say they are British Polish/French/Jewish etc.

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  • Message 48

    , in reply to message 47.

    Posted by leodis (U1633262) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    In America they are called Italian Americans, German Americans, African Americans, Polish Americans, etc.

    Note their ethnic origin comes before the country they are living in. Perhaps it sounds better..

    en.wikipedia.org/wik...

    en.wikipedia.org/wik...

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  • Message 49

    , in reply to message 48.

    Posted by robena40 (U14821863) on Saturday, 26th March 2011

    Yes, that would be good:

    Polish Brits, Indian Brits etc. I'm half Indian so Indian Brit!

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  • Message 50

    , in reply to message 46.

    Posted by U14576049 (U14576049) on Saturday, 26th March 2011

    'I did not mean, as you do, those people pretending to be compassionate,'

    Oh silly me, how amazingly perceptive you are.

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