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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Likely_Lad_Terry (U12117383) on Thursday, 24th March 2011

    Catching up with this tonight.

    If you've missed it I recommend it. Its an impressive idea and each individual story packs a lot into 15 minutes.

    5 episodes this week and concluding as an afternoon play next week www.bbc.co.uk/progra...




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  • Message 2

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    Posted by Likely_Lad_Terry (U12117383) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    Episode 5 should be on now.
    But David Attenborough is talking to me instead
    What happened?

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  • Message 3

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    Posted by Likely_Lad_Terry (U12117383) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    Apparently real life
    www.bbc.co.uk/news/u...
    has proved to close for comfort for the BBC leading to the dropping of episode 5

    Why not put an explanation on the web site at

    www.bbc.co.uk/progra...

    I must say I was managing to cope with the difference between fact and fiction but understand that BBC Managers have to deal with people that don't seem to be able to do that.

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  • Message 4

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    Posted by Hacman100 (U12221570) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    Thought I might be the only one who thought the cancellation was over sensitive hence I didn't object but when are we going to get the final part? If it's tonight I can't see the difference.

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  • Message 5

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    Posted by BevHills (U13889044) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    I missed 'Woman's Hour', and wanted to hear part 5 on 'Listen Again'.
    Irritating enough that it was cancelled. Even more irritating the fact that no reason was given. I was starting to think that I ws living in a parallel universe.
    Will the 'Afternoon Theatre' conclusion be cancelled? Will we be told?

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  • Message 6

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    Posted by caissier (U14073060) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    Sian O'Callagaghn went missing on Saturday so why did the Beeb even start putting it out.

    I'm not impressed by the writing or ideas. The whole thing seems ill-founded including the title. It is a good word but doesn't seem appropriate for a 'thriller' which happens to be set in Manchester. They might as well call it Athens of the North for all it has to do with the subject matter (afaics).

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by Mobson7 (U14628682) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    I only listened to the first one and decided this was not for me in my nervous state at the moment, what the message boards closing down and the public sector worker's march tomorrow...didn't listen to WH this morning, did they not say something then? Maybe there'll be an explanation/announcement after Front Row ends in 20 minutues....

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by Mobson7 (U14628682) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    Yes, an announcement was just made because of the news from Swindon...I've noticed that Monday's stand alone afternoon play has also been pulled from the schedule.

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  • Message 9

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    All this user's posts have been removed. Why?

  • Message 10

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    Posted by Janaru (U12763248) on Saturday, 26th March 2011

    Please R4, many of us are fully invested into this story and would really like to hear the end.

    Will you please let us know when the ending will be broadcast? Or at least put it up on Listen Again, yeah?

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by Mike_Concept (U14612370) on Saturday, 26th March 2011

    I'd like to think that I and most Radio4 listeners are intelligent enough to tell the difference between a radio drama about murder and kidnap and a case of murder and kidnap in real life.

    This seems like another case of 'Auntie knows best'. Just like that time a few years ago when a silly over hyped woman and her boyfriend got a drunk driver who wasn't qualified to drive the car they were in without wearing seatbelts, shock horror they died!. The the BBC cancelled the Simpsons that day, my son and I complained then. I've complained about things before, but they never say sorry we got it wrong, listen to 'Feedback', they'll get somone on to talk about complaints but never take any notice.

    Presumably the series this week and Monday's afternoon drama cost money to produce. When will we who pay for a licence get to hear what we have already paid for?

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by upagumtree (U14545175) on Saturday, 26th March 2011

    I was totally lost trying to find the listing for episode 5...it was supposed to be linked to a prog on Mon. I can not see that either....why start these things and not finish them ...I am sure that we all can tell real life from fiction or I would have moved to Ambridge years ago.....

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by Janaru (U12763248) on Sunday, 27th March 2011

    I really don't mind them trying to be sensitive to a current event, but I would like to know when they plan on playing the missing episodes.

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by hamster5000 (U1869493) on Sunday, 27th March 2011

    Rather than being an 'Auntie knows best' situation - I think this is a case of the bbc being sensitive to the feelings of the families and friends of the real victims in a still unfolding news story.

    Presumably, they can't let us know when it will be rescheduled as events are continuing to develop.

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by Mike_Concept (U14612370) on Sunday, 27th March 2011

    Well cases of murder can be a couple of years in completing after trials and appeals etc, so it's long as a piece of string. Nasty things happen in the real world every day, should we censor every broadcast on radio and tv in the event it may relate to something that's happened in reality? Maybe we should take books off shelves and burn them if something happens that is similar to their storyline?
    I think it's very what has happened to this young woman and the over victim who has been found, however I imagine their families have more on their minds than listening to Radio 4 stories and plays. If you think it's wrong to play it, your radio does have an off switch, you don't have to listen. As I put on the bottom of all my event adverts, 'if easily offended, get a life'.

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by caissier (U14073060) on Sunday, 27th March 2011

    This murder comes soon after that of Joanne Yeates. It also seems to involve several murders of women over the recent past. Cottonopolis is not distanced like Agatha Christie or Sherlock Holmes into a fantasy world; it is contemporary 'realism'. It could well have been that an episode would end to be followed by a news bulletin with developments of tragic real-life events. I am not happy about that; more respect is due to those immediately affected by that kind of crime, and to the thought of it by others.

    Maybe realistic contemporarily-set murders are inappropriate as entertainment; interest in them is always a bit ghoulish, whereas set in other times and places they could be more acceptable.

    Don't listen or turn-off? The trouble with that point is that you don't know in advance that you will find something troubling.

    Imo it depends very much on the treatment. I thought American Psycho would be sick and revolting to watch. In fact it was nearer to Tom and Jerry and quite funny.

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by Mike_Concept (U14612370) on Sunday, 27th March 2011

    "Maybe realistic contemporarily-set murders are inappropriate as entertainment; interest in them is always a bit ghoulish, whereas set in other times and places they could be more acceptable."

    So films like Gladiator or The Eagle would be okay, but dramas or films like The Hurt Locker and Four Lions would not be? This is a world which can often be filled with hurt and pain, but art should not be forced to treat people as if they are to be wrapped in cotton wool.

    The day I found out I was going to be a father for the first time my father died. As I drove home from the hospital where he had died the radio played Mike And The Mechanics 'The Living Years', I pulled over to the side of the road and burst into tears. For many years like Mike Rutherford I had had a difficult relationship with my father but we got a lot closer in the year before he was taken ill and died after 6 weeks. Should the BBC not play this song because it could upset people in a similar situation? I still get teary when I hear it, even my though my beautiful daughter is now 21. One of her best friends from junior school is back from Afghanistan with no legs at 21, how does his mother feel when she hears of a drama or film set there? Radio 4 have certainly broadcast things related to the subject.

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by caissier (U14073060) on Sunday, 27th March 2011

    I don't know, Mike, I don't know. I was thinking out loud, but I do feel uneasy in this case. Perhaps it is to do with the kind of crime, the horrible ending of a young person's life, her picture all over newspaper front pages, in such a degraded way. You are right that art deals with death and tragedy but this has, apart from in broadcast programmes now, been something to experience when one chose to.

    Maybe it is a question of quality. In Pennies From Heaven a tramp murders an innocent trusting young perfect blind girl but it was done in such a way that it was like a cry of Nature ..... very powerfully and unsettlingly but very well and worthy of the subject. I'm not so confident about Cottonopolis, serialised and added on to Woman's Hour each day. Lots of things trigger tears and feelings for me as well invariably related to events in the past, but the loss of a child in this way perhaps .... perhaps ..... should be treated as particularly serious. My sister died suddenly at nineteen and I saw what it did to my parents. My father said, "I won't last long now ....", and died of a heart attack three months later. Farewell, farewell, Rosie ..........

    So I do have my own reasons for my feelings.


    Kenneth Colley in Pennies From Heaven ......

    www.youtube.com/watc...


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  • Message 19

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    Posted by Snowy (U14603012) on Sunday, 27th March 2011

    I was trying to listen to Episode 5 on SUNDAY evening and only found out through searching the message boards that it has been cancelled. Surely the BBC could have added a small note to that effect on the relevant web page.
    I found it drama, not life and therefore not overly distressing, but can understand the sensitivities involved, so have no problem with the postponement - only with the fact that the postponement (or cancellation????) was not mentioned. Had it been, I would not have listened to the first four. I 'save up' the week's episodes to listen to all at once as I prefer continuity.

    Please tell us in future, dear BBC!

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by Mike_Concept (U14612370) on Monday, 28th March 2011

    Interesting to note that nobody from the BBC has even deigned to comment on this thread, clearly their arrogance restrains them from even bothering to look at these boards.

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by Robert Carnegie (U982882) on Monday, 28th March 2011

    I think I recall from [Radio Times], part five of this was going to be about a taxi driver. Apparently in the case in Swindon they've arrested a taxi driver... thus the difficulty, I speculate.

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by Russ (U2360818) on Monday, 28th March 2011

    The accompanying Afternoon Play was I think scheduled for this afternoon, but that has been cancelled/postponed.

    Russ

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by caissier (U14073060) on Monday, 28th March 2011

    Perhaps there is a tweet fluttering around somewhere about it.

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by Russ (U2360818) on Monday, 28th March 2011

    There is indeed a tweet fluttering around about it, caissier, but it seems that R4 tweeting is in its usual "and coming up next on R4 is blah blah blah" mode, and is unable to answer the simplest of questions.

    Russ

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by caissier (U14073060) on Monday, 28th March 2011

    smiley - smiley Russ

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  • Message 26

    , in reply to message 21.

    Posted by Sool (U14354582) on Monday, 28th March 2011

    There appears to be some confusion regarding whether Part 5 was to be represented by a Woman's Hour Drama last Friday or an Afternoon Play.

    I have now found an archived listing for Fridays programme [/URL] that says...

    "In Episode 5 of Cottonopolis, we go back across the week's events through the eyes of the taxi driver Henri Mally

    Today concludes the Woman's Hour drama but the story is finally resolved in the Afternoon Play next Monday.

    "Henri" is faced with an impossible choice bringing back echoes from his past, as we get nearer to the truth behind the disappearances."

    www.bbc.co.uk/progra...

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by BevHills (U13889044) on Monday, 28th March 2011

    That is indeed what I found on Friday, Sool

    However, both Part 5 and the Afternoon Play have disappeared into the Mists of Time, and it seems we are to be given no clue as to when they might reappear.

    I can understand...a little...why they were 'pulled'.

    I only hope that if and when we are to be allowed to hear them there will be ample notification.

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by Pat Shed (U4664057) on Monday, 28th March 2011

    I can understand...a little...why they were 'pulled'. 

    I can't. Where's the sense in pulling 2 out of 6 parts of a drama? Either the drama wasn't appropriate to be broadcast after Sian O'Callaghan's disappearance, in which case why on earth were the first 4 parts broadcast, or it was, in which case why were the last 2 bits pulled?

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by caissier (U14073060) on Monday, 28th March 2011

    Very probably it was fear of a flood of complaints from Offended of Wherevers .....

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by Robert Carnegie (U982882) on Monday, 28th March 2011

    I can understand...a little...why they were 'pulled'. 

    I can't. Where's the sense in pulling 2 out of 6 parts of a drama? Either the drama wasn't appropriate to be broadcast after Sian O'Callaghan's disappearance, in which case why on earth were the first 4 parts broadcast, or it was, in which case why were the last 2 bits pulled? 
    You don't buy Message 21 as an argument?

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by Pat Shed (U4664057) on Monday, 28th March 2011

    I can understand...a little...why they were 'pulled'. 

    I can't. Where's the sense in pulling 2 out of 6 parts of a drama? Either the drama wasn't appropriate to be broadcast after Sian O'Callaghan's disappearance, in which case why on earth were the first 4 parts broadcast, or it was, in which case why were the last 2 bits pulled? 
    You don't buy Message 21 as an argument? 
    Not for one moment. If the 5th and 6th parts were pulled to respect the sensitivities of the relatives of Sian O'Callaghan and the other victim, it is surely the issue of the murder of women which is the subject to avoid, not the occupation of the suspected killer. Pulling it because a taxi driver crops up in the drama makes sense only if the sensitivities which are sought to be respected are those of taxi drivers.

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by Robert Carnegie (U982882) on Monday, 28th March 2011

    I can understand...a little...why they were 'pulled'. 

    I can't. Where's the sense in pulling 2 out of 6 parts of a drama? Either the drama wasn't appropriate to be broadcast after Sian O'Callaghan's disappearance, in which case why on earth were the first 4 parts broadcast, or it was, in which case why were the last 2 bits pulled? 
    You don't buy Message 21 as an argument? 
    Not for one moment. If the 5th and 6th parts were pulled to respect the sensitivities of the relatives of Sian O'Callaghan and the other victim, it is surely the issue of the murder of women which is the subject to avoid, not the occupation of the suspected killer. Pulling it because a taxi driver crops up in the drama makes sense only if the sensitivities which are sought to be respected are those of taxi drivers. 
    Well, specifically, taxi drivers who haven't been tried yet and are legally presumed innocent. Yes, I know, but that's how it works. He may have been framed.

    Basically it looks rather as though the BBC are accidentally broadcasting an adaptation of an actual current murder investigation with a trial in prospect, and I think that's why they decided to stop.

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by maureen (U14826623) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    maureen. in reply to the last message. it would be good to hear part 5, and to be informed by the BBC when this will be.

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by Acacia (U3360756) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    There was an announcement before yesterday's afternoon play that the last two parts of Cottonopolis will be broadcast on Friday 15th April at 9:00 pm.

    You can hear this announcement on the iplayer at www.bbc.co.uk/iplaye...

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by Janaru (U12763248) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011

    Thank you for that, Acacia. Much appreciated smiley - smiley

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by emprew48 (U14827974) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011

    There was an announcement before yesterday's afternoon play that the last two parts of Cottonopolis will be broadcast on Friday 15th April at 9:00 pm.

    You can hear this announcement on the iplayer at www.bbc.co.uk/iplaye... 
    Thanks that is much appreciated I will make a note wonder where the last episodes went to but I wonder why?

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