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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Leigh Aspin (U13195017) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    To all our messageboard users

    I’m the editor of the Radio 4 and Radio 7 websites and I’m writing with what will be sad news for some loyal messageboard users: we will be closing the Radio 4 and Radio 7 messageboards (with the exception of The Archers) at the end of this month.

    As you may be aware from recent news reports, BBC Online’s budget is being cut significantly and, with fewer people in my team, I’m having to review our activity and prioritise those services which attract greater audience numbers and offer the greatest editorial value.

    It is a fact that, after many years, these messageboards attract a very small number of users. In the case of Radio 4’s messageboard, only around 350 different people post in a month and fewer than 3000 people worldwide visit the messageboards (this out of an average of 1m weekly visitors to our website in January).

    And with only a couple of exceptions, the comments posted on these boards do not tend to feed into programming or other output. Where particular programmes have used the messageboards for on air content (eg Questions, Questions) we will be able to offer dedicated comments threads linked to from their programme pages. The Archers messageboard will remain for the time being.

    We will continue to develop other ways for Radio 4’s audience to engage with the station’s output, as we have with some success during the last year. Radio 4 and Radio 4 Extra will share the current Radio 4 blog from 2 April. We plan to increase the range of contributors and as ever we will welcome comments there. We will offer specific, programme-related comments threads where we can. We are planning a number of interactive initiatives around upcoming Radio 4 series and events. And we will continue to engage with you via our newsletters, Facebook pages and Twitter profiles.

    The closure will take place on Friday 1 April, to give you time to close existing conversations and, if you desire, make plans to regroup elsewhere on the web. I realise this will be a disappointment to some of you but I hope that you will continue to engage with us in other ways from April.

  • Message 2

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by Mobson7 (U14628682) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    Utterly and Totally Dumbstruck!!!

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  • Message 3

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    Posted by string (U3543675) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    No I will not continue to engage with you in other ways after April. I'm not a fan of platforms such as FB which record your every movement and link to spammy apps.

    Guess no one's worried about the money that was wasted doing the recent board 'revamp'. Perhaps it should have been saved to keep the board running.

    So The Archers board stays open because lots of people like to comment on a soap.

    Here's my prediction for ten years' time - the only 'drama' on R4 will be The Archers because comparatively few people listen to the other stuff so what's the point. Of course we'll have no way of looking back to see if my prediction comes true because the board, and probably half of R4, won't exist.

    Hey I know - let's all watch Eastenders and Strictly on a loop. That won't cost much and it'll make the numbers look spectacular.

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  • Message 4

    , in reply to message 3.

    Posted by french frank (U2135785) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    If no one takes the initiative to open up their own forum, I'm happy to host a separate Radio 4 Drama and Readings messageboard along with the all the refugess from Radio 3's axed boards.

    I don't think I can cope with an entire Radio 4 influx, but where there's a clear overlap of interest, and if people want to stay together, please find us on the FoR3 website. www.for3.org/forums/...

    At least come and look around (welcome to string!, btw)

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  • Message 5

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    Posted by Russ (U2360818) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    That's a very generous offer, french frank.

    I have found www.for3.org/forums... to be a good place of intelligent, articulate and interesting people, and I think it aligns well with the content and discussions of this R4 Drama & Readings Board.

    It would be nice to think this community could migrate to a common place.

    Russ

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  • Message 6

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    Posted by french frank (U2135785) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    One thought that I have: twenty odd years ago a listeners group was set up to fight for Radio 4 and all it stood for. It's R4 listeners' loss that this has now 'progressed' into being The Voice of the Listener and Viewer - the most respected consumer organisation dedicated to broadcasting matters - now television as well as radio, commercial as well as BBC.

    But it has meant that they've moved on beyond sole concern for Radio 4. Perhaps it's time a new group was set up (just as we listeners to Radio 3 felt it necessary to set up FoR3).

    In the meantime, anything we can do to help, we will.

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by Centumvir (U9416743) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    That's good of you to present such an option, Frank, which I'm sure a number of posters here will appreciate if you manage to pull it off. In the meantime, I'll be spending more time on the recently set up www.notthetalk.com website.

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by Pip (U2800217) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    This is very sad - as someone else said, after all that money wasted on the 'revamp', the type of pointless expenditure which was clearly part of the problem.

    I hope everyone else on this board can find a new 'home' elsewhere. I'm trying to look on the bright side - message-boarding is such a wonderful time waster. I'll be able to write more books in the time I save NOT calling in here!

    Best wishes to all posters, and to the spoilsports who are shutting it down.
    GN x

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by Mobson7 (U14628682) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    Hang on in there, greebosnanny! We're done yet! smiley - whistle

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by Mobson7 (U14628682) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    Oooops! Sabbotage!!!...pressed for preview; went straight to message!


    Hang on in there, greebosnanny! We're NOT done yet! smiley - whistle

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by Forget It (U2079353) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    G O O D B Y E

    A N D T H A N K S

    F O R A L L T H E F I S H

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  • Message 12

    , in reply to message 8.

    Posted by Centumvir (U9416743) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    'Messageboard Closure'

    Another one to thank the bankers, conmen and hedge fund managers for.

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by PAW (U2055246) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    By closing the BBC boards the discussions about BBC radio will become splintered and diluted, almost as if discussion was seen as a thing to be suppressed.

    Having a centeral and official board to comment about programmes is by far the best way to do it. It's the obvious place to look for the conversation. I'm listening to a programme on Radio 4 so the message board about it will be on the Radio 4 web site, right? No, you have to rely on the BBC blogs, which won't allow you to start a conversation, and will be on a very limited range of subjects, or you can go to an unofficial messageboard, assuming you can find one, where there'll be a minimal community.

    People who aren't regular board users won't know about the unofficial alternatives and will frustrated by the limitations of the BBC blogs. The current users will find they have to move between boards to continue any debates, and many will stop contributing because there won't be a single place with a large enough community to keep things fresh, or else they'll stick to one place because of the sense of community and will be lost to the other boards.

    I'm not going to start another message board, but on my web site, www.radiolistings.co.uk, I'll be adding links to all the BBC Radio related boards I can find. If you're starting one or already running one, please contact me so I don't miss it.

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  • Message 14

    , in reply to message 13.

    Posted by Janaru (U12763248) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    Here, here! Well said, PAW, good points, all.

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by Russ (U2360818) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    And with only a couple of exceptions, the comments posted on these boards do not tend to feed into programming or other output. 
    This board is clearly one of the exceptions. This board is always on topic, and always relates to R4 output.

    But you don't want to listen anyway do you?

    Russ

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by Mobson7 (U14628682) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    Absolutely, Russ, it's our Input they obviously do not want..... (to listen to)

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  • Message 17

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by Nemo399 (U14258777) on Wednesday, 23rd March 2011

    I do hope someone will be able to set up a forum where those of us who enjoy Radio 4 drama and readings will be able to discuss it. Getting rid of this messageboard does feel like the BBC 'dumbing down' as well as economising.

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  • Message 18

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    All this user's posts have been removed. Why?

  • Message 19

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    Posted by Grennis (U13842302) on Thursday, 24th March 2011

    me too Nemo - there are so few places and or messageboards where anybody can voice an opinion - whether about a programme or more seriously any political opinion. March down Whitehall? I think not. Letter to the 'Times'?
    They're not interested. Letter to the 'Radio Times'? They only print gushing letters about rubbish programmes.

    Anyway chaps and chapesses it has been a priveledge to read your comments and join in the discussions over the years. They have been fun and thought provoking.

    I am so sad Much love to all!

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  • Message 20

    , in reply to message 19.

    Posted by minimetto (U1159894) on Thursday, 24th March 2011

    BBC... the PITS!!!!! Standards are now so low that the only messageboard which the BBC thinks is worth being kept open is the Archers!!!! Heaven help us all.....public broadcasting eh smiley - yikes

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  • Message 21

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by hamster5000 (U1869493) on Thursday, 24th March 2011

    Perhaps The Archers message board could be renamed:

    "The Archers and Other BBC Radio Drama"

    then we can all just head over there and carry on....?

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  • Message 22

    , in reply to message 21.

    Posted by Likely_Lad_Terry (U12117383) on Thursday, 24th March 2011

    Hamster,

    Agreed but why not BBC Radio Drama including The Archers.
    surely that would be more logical.

    Its very hard to understand how much money can be saved by closing down these messageboards.

    The fact that these messageboards allow for sticky items means that one messageboard could cover many areas - it could simplify things for both use and from an operational point of view

    Alternatively its off to the Bull - see The Archers
    www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

    It seems you can discuss anything there - it doesn't even have to be on the BBC - even Midsomer Murders !!!!!

    Absolutely baffling that the BBC think that's money well spent but don't want discussion and comment on their superb Radio 4 Drama output !

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  • Message 23

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by Robert Carnegie (U982882) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    There already are other forums - no need to set up more - "Google Groups" provides access to long-lived "newsgroup" uk.­media.­radio.­bbc-r4 for instance. groups.google.com/gr...

    Currently it is a desert blasted by wafts of breathtaking racism, but then so is [Any Answers]. I think that a team of hardy rugded commentators could face down the handful of psychopathic misanthropes who barely lighten their stygian existence by exhibiting their dreadful id in a public forum, or, of course, join in.

    I suppose I'm not selling this very well, but the invitation stands.

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  • Message 24

    , in reply to message 14.

    Posted by germinator (U13411914) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    So long Janaru, it's been good to know you,
    I enjoyed our Temple plays, thanks to Radio 4,
    But I won't be coming back anymore.

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  • Message 25

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by sandra (U14823476) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    I've only just joined today!

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  • Message 26

    , in reply to message 18.

    Posted by Sool (U14354582) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    I have signed up at s4.zetaboards.com/Ex... but am sorry to say that I am only the 15th to join.

    As an alternative discussion board it has a lot of potential IMHO. The permanent opening hours and lack of Big Brotherly reactive moderation should hopefully encourage more lively debate and allow discussion on topics that this board forbids.

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  • Message 27

    , in reply to message 26.

    Posted by Mobson7 (U14628682) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    Me too! Early days!

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  • Message 28

    , in reply to message 22.

    Posted by Lawrence Jones (U4805414) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    message 22

    "Absolutely baffling that the BBC think that's money well spent but don't want discussion and comment on their superb Radio 4 Drama output" !

    Same argument applied to the Arts messageboard. Three of the individuals who tried to keep that messageboard alive are engineers. So where were all the R4 Oxbridge arts graduates? To quote Chris Kimber (Kathleen Griffin interview with Anna M.C., Chris Kimber and Elizabeth Jackson, ‘Feedback’ October 2002): “The more you nurture a messageboard, the better it will be.’’ Can’t say that over a 10+year posting career, I spotted much ‘nurturing’ from within R4. I even tried to keep ‘Altruists’ Alert’ and ‘The Message’ MBs alive on my own.

    Why were R4 programmes and disciplines – Arts and Science - granted messageboards if the producers and editors had no intention of supporting them in the first place? A terrible waste of money

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by ninajo (U14366750) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    Good april fool!

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  • Message 30

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    All this user's posts have been removed. Why?

  • Message 31

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    Posted by Lawrence Jones (U4805414) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    "Good april fool!"

    www.youtube.com/watc...

    Ahhh, poor girl has just been told that the R4 drama board is going smiley - sadface I hope she writes to Chris Dunkley or Paul Donovansmiley - ok

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  • Message 32

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    All this user's posts have been removed. Why?

  • Message 33

    , in reply to message 32.

    Posted by Grennis (U13842302) on Friday, 25th March 2011

    to all the messagers - I guess Anna has been sacked!! Oh dear. She was good and very accommodating. So -GOODBYE ANNA - and all the best!

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  • Message 34

    , in reply to message 24.

    Posted by Janaru (U12763248) on Saturday, 26th March 2011

    So long Janaru, it's been good to know you,
    I enjoyed our Temple plays, thanks to Radio 4,
    But I won't be coming back anymore. 
    So long to you too, Germinator smiley - sadface

    I've enjoyed listening and discussing the Temple's with you as well (Did you catch The Johnathon Mystery and the Alex Affair on R7 the last couple of weeks smiley - smiley )

    I'm really gonna miss these boards. I've heard a lot of really good programs I'd never had looked twice at because of discussions on these boards. Too bad they couldn't have one Messageboard for ALL BBC Radio. Wouldn't have thought that'd cost too much smiley - blush

    Well, it is what it is, I suppose.

    Hey Germinator, I've been over on the Beebotron board for years....

    beebotron.org/phorum...

    We're a lot more laid back over there, but if your ever in the mood for a good old chin-wag, come on over! You (and anyone else who'd like to give it a go) are always welcome smiley - smiley

    We have a lot of R7 board refugees coming over at the moment. Anyhoo, offer is there if you get too lonesome, , by Timothy! smiley - winkeye

    (Cue Coronation Scot.......)

    smiley - bubbly

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by germinator (U13411914) on Saturday, 26th March 2011

    Janaru, I did not catch those programmes as I was out of the country, though I was reminded by the CD versions at the airport bookshop.

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by Mobson7 (U14628682) on Saturday, 26th March 2011

    There's an "Anna' signed up on frenchfrank's forum, could it be she??? smiley - winkeye

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  • Message 37

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    Posted by Mobson7 (U14628682) on Saturday, 26th March 2011

    Anyway, someone's still working, we've had three thread closures over on The Choice is Yours over the past two hours....

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  • Message 38

    , in reply to message 35.

    Posted by Janaru (U12763248) on Saturday, 26th March 2011

    I think you can catch The Alex Affair on Listen Again. It started Monday, so they're still up. If you weren't tempted by the CD's that is.

    If someone is still working, why aren't they telling us when they'll be finishing Cottonopolis? Hmmm......


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  • Message 39

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    Posted by Nemo399 (U14258777) on Sunday, 27th March 2011

    Hurrah! I've registered. What a brilliant new site, hope lots of others come along.

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  • Message 40

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    Posted by Likely_Lad_Terry (U12117383) on Sunday, 27th March 2011

    Just joined

    s4.zetaboards.com/Ex...

    Spread the word.

    Hope to see you all there !

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  • Message 41

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    Posted by arthursmaid (U2372141) on Monday, 28th March 2011

    The reason I have used the messages boards is to link with others that have heard the same things I have and hear their opinions. They are usually quite varied. During these times I have also been introduced to plays and authors I have never really heard of. The message board has been informative and educational , and at times a damn good laugh! What else could I ask for?
    A few years back I used the Regional BBC board that was closed which meant a lot of the overseas links the users had then vanished.
    The loss of boards will result in some loss of listeners surely? I would not have stayed in doors today listening to NIck Warburton play on radio and online if I had not read about it on here. (Mind you I should have been in the garden!)

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  • Message 42

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    Posted by Milly (U14689970) on Monday, 28th March 2011

    I can't believe this. I have only recently started to use the messageboard as I was completely unaware of its existence until I heard via word of mouth. Of course you only have a few users - you never really publicise it. When I think about the interminable number of trailers for that 100 (or was it 1,000? - felt like it) wretched objects thing you did - ye gods. Surely, just a fraction of that kind of advertising would significantly increase the number of people using this site?

    And, by the way, since when did popularity become the main driver informing executive decisions about R4? I thought the whole point about R4 is that it is not catering to the perceived mass market that demands endless celebrity crap presented by people who cannot think, write or speak in complete sentences.

    I am utterly depressed by this decision and even more depressed by the thought that you won't take any notice of my protest because it is delivered through the very vehicle you are trying to abolish.

    If I get Jordan to tweet you will you reconsider?

    M

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  • Message 43

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    Posted by Russ (U2360818) on Monday, 28th March 2011

    Milly, you are correct on all points. Far too correct and far too logical. The thing is, when encountering Beeb corporate speak, you enter a world where what is said is not what is meant, what is promised never happens, where black is white, and where one beeb person's interpretation of what should happen is often the opposite of what the official policy is.

    We just happen to have drawn the short straw this month.

    Russ

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  • Message 44

    , in reply to message 42.

    Posted by Sool (U14354582) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    Milly - I hope that you're the Milly who joined the alternative board last night.

    s4.zetaboards.com/Ex...

    Please don't be depressed. There is no reason why the replacement board should not be successful. It is up to us to make it work and I suspect there is every chance it could prove more popular.

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  • Message 45

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    Posted by Milly (U14689970) on Tuesday, 29th March 2011

    Milly - I hope that you're the Milly who joined the alternative board last night.

    s4.zetaboards.com/Ex...

    Please don't be depressed. There is no reason why the replacement board should not be successful. It is up to us to make it work and I suspect there is every chance it could prove more popular.  
    Hi - yes I am. I hope the new board is successful of course but I am just so cross that this one is being closed down. Hey ho. Will look forward to seeing what happens on the new site.

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  • Message 46

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    Posted by becky sharp (U4544768) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011

    It is a fact that, after many years, these messageboards attract a very small number of users. In the case of Radio 4’s messageboard, only around 350 different people post in a month 

    That's a poor excuse and a slight to those who contribute to the Radio 4 boards.....


    Drama and Readings was the first forum I ever posted on....I had listened to an Afternoon Play,Stan with Tom Courtenay, and had enjoyed it so much I was looking online for somewhere to say so and found this board..

    I'm sad to see it's demise....

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  • Message 47

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    Posted by Mobson7 (U14628682) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011

    As am I, becky sharp...very sad! But it's out of our hands, we have no power whatsoever. I'm sure there's probably only one poor lass or lad waiting to pull the plug on us until the end is nigh!....

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  • Message 48

    , in reply to message 46.

    Posted by Janaru (U12763248) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011

    I think that your experience is a perfect example of WHY they didn't have more posters, Becky.

    They should have promoted the messageboards a LOT more. Same thing with the R7's change to R4X. Their reasoning for the re-branding is to link the two stations closer together to hopefully attract more listeners to what R4X (formerly R7) has to offer.

    But they rarely promoted R7 (which has ALWAYS been it's sister station), and then they were shocked when more folks weren't listening.

    I was shocked myself at how many folks I'd talked to on the R4 board had never even heard of R7.

    Something seriously wrong there.

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  • Message 49

    , in reply to message 48.

    Posted by Forget It (U2079353) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011

    Janaru wrote:
    Same thing with the R7's change to R4X. Their reasoning for the re-branding is to link the two stations closer together to hopefully attract more listeners to what R4X (formerly R7) has to offer.
     


    But it should have been called Radio4Extra from Day 1 - because that
    is what it mostly is.
    The message boards for R7 & R4 should never have been
    separated at all - the conversation should have been in the same place
    in the same MB.
    But that would have been far to sensible and old-fashioned for the go-getting people up top.

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  • Message 50

    , in reply to message 49.

    Posted by Janaru (U12763248) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011

    You know, I still don't understand why they don't put all the stations on one board. At least we would still have them, and surely it doesn't cost that much for one board. They're keeping The Archers board, so.....

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