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Fashion for the Youthquake

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  • Message 101. 

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    Posted by JoSammy (U10803533) on Thursday, 23rd April 2009

    Well, as they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You're meant to look at the clothes on the catwalk, rather than the dame wearing it.

    My eye was taken in Amsterdam recently by a very tall elegant individual in a soft woollen pink dress, with, it has to be said, rather large bosoms. Needless to say, it was a male.

    I was being a tad facetious earlier as I like to think I choose what I want to wear rather than foolishly follow fashion. However, we all have our limits.


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  • Message 102

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    Posted by kleines c (U11163346) on Thursday, 23rd April 2009

    Yes, I suppose that the interesting question is how we choose what we want to wear. It can become very psychological, an expression (or equally, a concealment) of our identity. It could be argued that all forms of human expression are, ultimately, autobiographical. I may use every trick to conceal my own identity on the BBC Radio 4 message boards, but ultimately, I have to strut my stuff on the catwalk of life, and many of my real acquaintances know me online, as well as off (at the BBC proms, for example), so they can easily judge me by what I write.

    As for Amsterdam, I am glad that you enjoyed yourself, Jo, even with the transvestites. Larry, I would judged, has triumphed on BBC Radio 4. Of course, we should have seen what he was talking about, but we can always create our own images to match his words on the radio. I don't think that fashion will tell Larry, or the rest of us, the state we're in at the turn of the third millennium CE, or even tomorrow.

    The best that can be hoped for, Anna, is that we understand ourselves here on 'The Choice is Yours' message board of BBC Radio 4 a little better. Cheers (afternoon tea)! <cheers>


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  • Message 103

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    Posted by handsomefortune (U2927651) on Thursday, 23rd April 2009

    > we all have our limits.<

    yes, mine's a beard josammy. tho i don't mind them on others.

    > It could be argued that all forms of human expression are, ultimately, autobiographical. <

    i'm sure tracey emin agrees. unless she;s somehow miraculously 'concealing her id' via her outpours?

    > even with the transvestites. <

    'especially' rather than 'even' kleines. it's amsterdam afterall, i'd 'want my money back', if i didn't get to see some interesting people. last time i went, it was full of interesting looking poeple, going about life the amsterdam way. some people are sooo tall, i'm not used to feeling like shortstump, but it's all 'character building', as they say!

    Larry is sleeping now, dreaming of teds.

    goodnight all. ;@.

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  • Message 104

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    Posted by kleines c (U11163346) on Friday, 24th April 2009

    Larry has woken up again, handsome, having dreamt of teds, and has even made it on to the Arts & Ideas messageboard of BBC Radio 3 this morning:

    Good morning, too, to everyone reading 'The Choice is Yours' message board of BBC Radio 4. It is not only Brown and his Darling who are going red, handsome. All over the world, women are getting into the red. According to Sarah Vine, writing in 'The Times', rouge was a strong beauty trend last year and looks set to continue through 2009, with a kaleidoscope of shades in evidence, both on and off the catwalk:

    " ... Even the hottest starlet on the planet has succumbed: Scarlett Johansson recently lived up to her name and had her trademark blonde tresses dyed a sultry shade of vermilion, appearing at an event to promote champagne with a flame-coloured Veronica Lake peekaboo fringe."

    This afternoon at 15:45 (BST) on BBC Radio 4, Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen completes his story of dandyism and male peacockery through the ages. Here it is on the BBC iPlayer for everyone reading the BBC message boards:

    I propose some toast: to Larry. Cheers (breakfast coffee)! <cheers>


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  • Message 105

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    Posted by kleines c (U11163346) on Friday, 24th April 2009

    Cry Larry, Wales and Saint David! I'll get my cardi ... ;)

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  • Message 106

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    Posted by kleines c (U11163346) on Friday, 24th April 2009

    Larry is at the Man Show this afternoon:


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  • Message 107

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    Posted by kleines c (U11163346) on Friday, 24th April 2009

    Larry has left the building with the men of fashion. Here is BBC Radio Four on the BBC iPlayer:

    Congratulations to all!


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  • Message 108

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    Posted by JoSammy (U10803533) on Friday, 24th April 2009

    It has to be said I was momentarily lifted and then ceremonially dumped this afternoon during Laurence's chat about the fashion show visit. He was eager to find out who the dashing and well-dressed gent in the very dark blue suit with a spotted tie was. It couldn't be, could it? Surely too much of a coincidence - and yet - the description ...

    Nope. Some bloke from Saville Row.

    Ah well.

    Twas a fast trip through the times with many generalisations and over-simplifications. However, it brought up some good images too and gave the odd nostalgic reminder.

    <cool> Friday night <bubbly>

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  • Message 109

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    Posted by kleines c (U11163346) on Friday, 24th April 2009

    'Men of Fashion' concluded by pointing out that throughout history, the best dressed men have always dressed themselves to suit their own personality, Jo, and then defined his own personality in terms of a tie and cufflinks.

    Larry then accepted that informality and accessibilty of fashion is what now defines us, and another commentator finally suggested that if you have a T-shirt, a pair of jeans, a tuxedo and flip-flops in your wardrobe, you cannot go wrong.

    I should perhaps confess that I personally dislike flip-flops. According to Wikipedia, wearing thong-style flip-flops can result in sore feet, ankles and legs. Flip-floppers tend to take shorter steps and their heels hit the ground with less vertical force.

    In terms of mountaineering, I always avoid denim, as it takes far too long to dry, although I often wear a T-shirt with a jacket appropriate for the conditions. As for the weekend, Jo, whatever you wear, and wherever you go, the best dressed women, too, have always dressed themselves to suit their own personality. So, I think, should we!


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  • Message 110

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    Posted by kleines c (U11163346) on Friday, 24th April 2009

    Perhaps I ought to add a postscript, if only for Anna (Message 1):

    "Although Larry is far too young to remember them, Anna, fifty years ago, working-class men set the fashion agenda in Britain for the first time when Teddy Boys aped and subverted the styles of their social superiors with the New Edwardian look.

    Were you a Teddy or what? <cool> 

    You and I are whats. What are whats? What's fashion? Well, fashion refers to the styles and customs prevalent at a given time. In its most common usage, fashion exemplifies the appearances of clothing, but the term encompasses more.

    Many fashions are popular in many cultures at any given time. Important is the idea that the course of design and fashion will change more rapidly than the culture as a whole. So the design of the BBC Radio 4 website, for example, will change more rapidly than the culture of Radio 4, the BBC, Britain and the rest of the world, and its media.

    History does tend to repeat itself, Anna, but often in subtley different ways. Just as things tend to change far more quickly than one might think, things also tend to change far more slowly than one might think. Innovation and inertia tend to be exemplified in any specific historical situation, I see no reason to think differently about the future, so for good or ill, we shall always find what happens next somewhat surprising. As for the weekend, this above all: to thine own self be true.


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  • Message 111

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    Posted by JoSammy (U10803533) on Friday, 24th April 2009

    "Nought may endure but mutability"


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  • Message 112

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    Posted by kleines c (U11163346) on Friday, 24th April 2009

    "We are as clouds that veil the midnight moon;
    How restlessly they speed, and gleam, and quiver,
    Streaking the darkness radiantly!--yet soon
    Night closes round, and they are lost for ever;

    Or like forgotten lyres, whose dissonant strings
    Give various response to each varying blast,
    To whose frail frame no second motion brings
    One mood or modulation like the last.

    We rest. -- A dream has power to poison sleep;
    We rise. -- One wandering thought pollutes the day;
    We feel, conceive or reason, laugh or weep;
    Embrace fond woe, or cast our cares away:

    It is the same!--For, be it joy or sorrow,
    The path of its departure still is free:
    Man's yesterday may ne'er be like his morrow;
    Nought may endure but Mutability." 

    Percy Bysshe Shelley (1816) 

    Clouds and the weather, of course, are an excellent example of a complex and chaotic system, Jo, as are financial markets and the global economy. Patterns are certainly discernible using chaos theory, but nought may endure but mutability.

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  • Message 113

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    Posted by kleines c (U11163346) on Saturday, 25th April 2009

    Good afternoon to everyone on 4 this weekend. According to 'FT Weekend', Jo, we are deep in a 'eighties renaissance, from décor (Philippe Starck) to music (The Pet Shop Boys and Grace Jones) and, of course, fashion, both for women and for men:

    I guess that if 2008 revisited Abba and the 'seventies, 2009 is revisiting the new romantics of the early 'eighties. Larry, of course, is an archetypal new romantic, so he is now very much in Vogue again.

    What mutability? <cool>

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  • Message 114

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    Posted by JoSammy (U10803533) on Saturday, 25th April 2009

    If there's one thing about fashion that has progressed, it's that now it is more individual. I was about to suggest that you would probably still stand out if you wore actual clothes from '80s - in other words, today's "fashions" may be BASED on the '80s styles, but won't be identical. However, at one time you stood out if you didn't wear, for instance, platform soles. Now, there are a huge range of styles visible, notwithstanding there are certain trends.

    Or is that just looking back and "doing a Larry"*? <erm>.

    (* over-simplifying)

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  • Message 115

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    Posted by kleines c (U11163346) on Saturday, 25th April 2009

    Platform soles may have the edge over flip-flops, Jo, but time wounds all heels. Just kick them off; fashion for the youthquake.


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  • Message 116

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    Posted by JoSammy (U10803533) on Saturday, 25th April 2009

    Tho I would agree about those nasty toe thong flip flops, I LOVE my flatties: they are great for strolling along the beach or mooching around on a hot day - and they can be cute. Guess you don't like jewelled footwear? ;) and must have softy man feet, not used to be squeezed into heels. Probably just as well. <laugh>

    (I had thought, btw, that Shelley was an excellent end to this thread, but we have now polluted the poetry. Such is life. You did try another with your time wounds all heels effort: witty, but not quite in the same league)

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  • Message 117

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    Posted by kleines c (U11163346) on Saturday, 25th April 2009

    As the BBC Radio 4 message board host, Anna, seems to have given up on closing 'Men of Fashion' discussion threads, I am in no rush to end 'Fashion for the Youthquake'.

    Nevertheless, in terms of fashion, one of Shelley's sonnet may be appropriate, Jo, particularly if we think of our own appearance, too, as a painted veil.

    "Lift not the painted veil which those who live
    Call Life: though unreal shapes be pictured there,
    And it but mimic all we would believe
    With colours idly spread,--behind, lurk Fear
    And Hope, twin Destinies; who ever weave
    Their shadows, o'er the chasm, sightless and drear.
    I knew one who had lifted it--he sought,
    For his lost heart was tender, things to love,
    But found them not, alas! nor was there aught
    The world contains, the which he could approve.
    Through the unheeding many he did move,
    A splendour among shadows, a bright blot
    Upon this gloomy scene, a Spirit that strove
    For truth, and like the Preacher found it not." 

    Percy Bysshe Shelley 


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