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Message 1 - posted by orsogrande (U11399418) , Nov 3, 2008

Hi Jem,

Now you're regular here, I was kinda hoping you might join in a bit.

Are you a blues guitar fan (many experts here with a huge love for the instrument)?; a soul fan - I'm more 70's/80's myself but there are lots for whom the 60's are their first love; jazz - not as specialist as the R3 board but May and Itchy (among others) are good for that discussion; Pure Pop - Kylie perhaps, or Take That?; Indie boy with a dodgy fringe?; old-school punk - never mind the b****** winkeye; country - perhaps you know some blonde christian girls that White Trash is so keen on!

Mmmm is it that you're the Lovers Rock pal I've been looking for since I landed here!!

Anyway, I really do have to some work I should be doing and I think you've probably got some modding still to do before going home time!

Orso winkeye
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Message 2 - posted by Tompall (U11235854) , Nov 3, 2008

Mick Fitzsimmonds and Sue Keogh were two 'Hosts' who joined in on this MB back in the 'Good Old Days' (another Mr Sachs!) Mick took part in our panto of 'Casablanca'(Of all the MBs in all the web, I had to wander into this one, he said!)
Sue was the the Country Music MB host. I think she then worked for Bob Harris too. Still,'The good old days, they're all gone' as The Band once sang! erm

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Message 3 - posted by orsogrande (U11399418) , Nov 3, 2008

Before my time Tompall.

Still, Jem seems nice enough but seems to spend most of his time modding TV boards - there's a job I wouldn't want!

Orso

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Message 4 - posted by Jem Stone (U517591) , Nov 3, 2008

orso. northern soul.

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Message 5 - posted by orsogrande (U11399418) , Nov 3, 2008

Fairplay Jem - probably Wrighty's your man for that (and most soul, truthfully).

On R2 I know Lamarr plays the odd one or two on both his God's Jukebox and Alt 60's shows but I can't really answer for any other R2 jocks or BBC stations.

Personally, I'm a big soul lover but mostly late 60's onwards - despite being from the 'North' I really can't stand that northern soul snare beat although there's always an exception. I really like Nicole Willis and The Soul Investigators who are kinda modern Finnish northern soul via New York and London.

Of course, the next question is whether you're middle-aged guy with memories of the Wigan Casino or out of the newer Northern revival/Mod scene?

Orso biggrin

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Message 6 - posted by Jem Stone (U517591) , Nov 3, 2008

all singing all dancing. maconie. v.good indeed.

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Message 7 - posted by orsogrande (U11399418) , Nov 4, 2008

Mmmm, 'it's an answer, Jem, but not as we know it!'

Or, nice answers but having trouble matching them to the questions.

I know Maconie is keen on northerness but does that extend to soul?

Anyway, have a good day modding - I see you've already seen off Mads and her 'Stinky Moore' post - may I make you aware of the likelihood of a pointy stick headed in your direction.

You can borrow the messageboard www.denner.ca/weapon... if you want!

Orso

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Message 8 - posted by madmedusa (U6639461) , Nov 4, 2008

I see you've already seen off Mads and her 'Stinky Moore' post - may I make you aware of the likelihood of a pointy stick headed in your direction.

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Oi, it ain't over til the fat lady sings ....

Here, where's Ferret gone??? She's a huge fan of Nothern soul.

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Message 9 - posted by Soulsister (U2903288) , Nov 4, 2008

The Soulman on these boards is Dave (Kitchengroove). The most knowledgeable poster I know on the subject.

ok

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Message 10 - posted by orsogrande (U11399418) , Nov 4, 2008

Hi Sis,

You pointed out a while ago that he's not been around - what I've seen of his posts look very worthwhile.

OI KITCHEN, GET BACK TO THE BOARD AND DO YOUR DUTY!!

Orso (sore throat from all that shouting <whispersmiley&gtwinkeye

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Message 11 - posted by Jem Stone (U517591) , Nov 4, 2008

In case i was being too oblique..All Singing All Dancing is the Stuart Maconie presenter R2 Northern Soul show/series which was last broadcast last summer
www.bbc.co.uk/radio2...

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Message 12 - posted by orsogrande (U11399418) , Nov 4, 2008

In case i was being too oblique

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Oblique - horizontal!

Looks interesting but a wee bit out-of-date now.

Recognise a couple of tunes and a few more of the artists.

Which three tunes would you save if the house was on fire?

Orso (just asking)

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Message 13 - posted by orsogrande (U11399418) , Nov 4, 2008

Hi Jem,

Just had a look at your modding over at 6 - they're a boisterous lot over there - probably a bit younger winkeye

Mind you, the crack about your surname being 'Stone' gave me a smile but I guess you just *might* have heard it before whistle

Anyway, gotta go shortly but keep up the good work - I think I saw some trouble brewing on The Archers board but that's probably madmedusa, I think she's a fan laugh

Orso

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Message 14 - posted by Tompall (U11235854) , Nov 5, 2008

Hello Jem. Have you collated all the messages re Lesley Douglas,-pro and anti- for her perusal yet? Can we expect a personal reply from her on these MBs anytime soon? Does she have a new job lined up yet within the BBC or elsewhere? Thank you.

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Message 15 - posted by orsogrande (U11399418) , Nov 6, 2008

Hi Jem,

The board feels a bit over-modded today, which might not be you, of course, but it's nice it's getting a bit more lively.

Let's hope you don't get an outbreak of bad language with those pesky youngsters in 6 - Fist of Onan - great biblical name and close to the knuckle, as it were yikes

I can't speak for him but Kitchengroove has been around if you want to discuss Northern Soul - still don't know if you're an old, old-skool, or old, old-skool Northern fan tho'.

Keep the Faith!

Orso (give me back my post - if you read the thread you'll know I'm right!)

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Message 16 - posted by Jem Stone (U517591) , Nov 6, 2008

I'm not first generation northern. A bit late to the game. Yep. I'm sometimes over in six too.

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Message 17 - posted by kitchengroove (U4764766) , Nov 6, 2008

Jem,
I don't know what the generation lines are but let's try and define it

1st = Inception 1966-71 inc 60's Motown & Youth Club Classics & anything played at the Twisted Wheel.

2nd generation = 1971 - 1974 Classics discovered in this period & tracks played at the Torch & the beginings of Wigan

3rd generation = Arrival of Media led hysteria, includes New discoveries played at Wigan through to it's demise (includes all the pop tunes with a stompin' beat)

4th Generation = Post 2nd gen Mod converts and the classics played at Stafford Top of the world. The acceptance of Mid pace Beat ballads propelled by the Kent and Goldmine compilations.

5th generation = The return of the original 1st generation plus any new converts and the advent of CD comps.

6th generation = Now, includes Modern/Crossover and still new discoveries from the golden period 1963-1972

This has been quickly assembled as I have a train to catch, but as an observer from the South, this is how I see the different generations.

Open to discussion

Dave

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Message 18 - posted by orsogrande (U11399418) , Nov 7, 2008

Hi Dave,

Not sure we'll get anything from Jem but *I* was very interested.

Looking on to the scene, that looks how I'd read it. I was just around for the back end of 2nd Generation and certainly for the 3rd ('Skiing in the Snow' anyone?).

4th I was aware of from a mod I knew although we generally only merged more at the jazz end of things (we both ended up at a Jimmy Smith gig, I think).

As I've mentioned before, I've just never got on with the classic Northern 'four on the floor'
beat and am not a great lover early-mid sixties soul although there's one or two I do love - mostly the slower ones.

Obviously there are tons of comps around and mentioned in the music mags but, bearing in mind I don't much like the quicker 'dancers', are there any that you would particularly recommend to a newbie.

Thanks,

Orso

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Message 19 - posted by Jem Stone (U517591) , Nov 7, 2008

brilliant deconstruction . tx enjoyed it.
that makes me 4th then.

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Message 20 - posted by DisComp (U12857793) , Nov 7, 2008

Orso

I was just around for the back end of 2nd Generation and certainly for the 3rd ('Skiing in the Snow' anyone?).

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Guessing we must be around the same age,mid 20s laugh

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Message 21 - posted by orsogrande (U11399418) , Nov 7, 2008

mid 20s

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Cheeky sod, late teens - I'm discovering all this old music on the internet!

Orso winkeye

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Message 22 - posted by DisComp (U12857793) , Nov 7, 2008

Orso

"Skiing in the Snow"

I prefer "Love on a Mountain Top"


The internet, is that on computers now? laugh

DC

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Message 23 - posted by orsogrande (U11399418) , Nov 7, 2008

"Love on a Mountain Top"

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Mmmmm I think I paid £500 for that at a record fair - turned out to be a bootleg!

Orso (just kidding)

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Message 24 - posted by DisComp (U12857793) , Nov 7, 2008

You paid £500 for love on a mountain top yikes

2 questions ;

(1) Couldn't you have found somewhere a bit warmer?

(2) Does Mrs Orso know about this?

DC

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Message 25 - posted by orsogrande (U11399418) , Nov 7, 2008

Oi DC,

The 'love' wasn't £500 but the cablecar and the gear was a bit pricey.

It's the *getting* warmer that's the fun bit

and

Might have been *with* Mrs Orso.

winkeye

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Message 26 - posted by DisComp (U12857793) , Nov 7, 2008

That well and truly answered my questions laugh

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Message 27 - posted by Tompall (U11235854) , Nov 7, 2008

My question to Jem about Lesley Douglas's future plans or whether she will grace this MB with another 'Letter from..' hasn't been answered though. I note that another BBC employee has resigned today, a Mr Barber, the head of 'specialist music and compliance.' Compliance with what exactly?

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Message 28 - posted by newSchizoidman (U11155925) , Nov 7, 2008

Probably not complying with the order to play ELO every 15 minutes.

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Message 29 - posted by kitchengroove (U4764766) , Nov 8, 2008

Hi Orso,
recommendations are a minefield, and as a collector of black music, I have found that other peoples favorites have left me cold. As an example, one of the all time big Northern records You're gonna make me love you - Sandi Sheldon, leaves me cold (It must have sounded better, played from the 45 at high volume). So with that in mind, I can only suggest listening around to various internet sites inc. Mary Foxx radio stoke who's side kick Nick Marshall is probably one of the most informed and level headed (devoid of ego), but unfortunately his choices are only aired every forth week or when Mary takes leave. Beware of her message board, it's become a little club, once friendly but now often strewn with back biting by people who go a little to far.
I you just want to listen to across the board soul, I'm involved with this site, and the player www.soul-survivors.c... has some moments of various Northern that you may not have heard before. Soul music 60's & 70's alone has an estimated 30,000 tracks, even at my age, 54 I don't think I'll ever hear it all. It's an education for life and I'm not sure if I'm half way there yet.

Dave.

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Message 30 - posted by Soulsister (U2903288) , Nov 8, 2008

Dave,

Can't help but agree with you. Some of the so called seminal Northern tracks are right turkeys. Northern has featured on a couple of prime time TV shows I've watched recently - the Paul O'Grady show, and either the Culture Show or one of those trendy Channel 4 music shows - can't recall which. For the most part the tracks they played were pants, and the middle aged dancers were dressed up in swirly skirts and neckerchiefs more suited to Bill Hayley than any soul music I know. What's that all about? Is that what they wear? If so, I've no regrets about never having been to an all nighter.

If you're only 'half way' there, then I'm about 5% there. But it does turn up some gems, not least one of my absolute favourite singers - Charles Beverly. How that bloke isn't spoken about in the same breath as the greats I shall never know. 'Don't you want a man like me' has to be my favourite dance track ever. Orso - I used to be able to link to a soul jukebox where you could hear it in full but unfortunately, it seems to have disappeared.

Meanwhile the only youtube clip featuring the great man.

uk.youtube.com/watch...

... and this is what he's up to now:
www.charlesbeverly.c...

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Message 31 - posted by Soulsister (U2903288) , Nov 8, 2008

Bingo! - Orso, scroll down to 'US labels, 90s, 80s, 90s Northern & Modern Soul Records' and click on the sound link to hear a clip. Not the full track - but a decent length soundbite.

northern-soul-record...

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Message 32 - posted by kitchengroove (U4764766) , Nov 8, 2008

Sis,
thanks for the link and education, never heard it before. You see i'm still learnin'.

Dave

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Message 33 - posted by Soulsister (U2903288) , Nov 8, 2008

Hey, I taught you something Dave! That's gotta be a first. Made my day that has!

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Charles Beverly is the man!

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Message 34 - posted by Tompall (U11235854) , Nov 9, 2008

Hello again jem. Paul Donovan in the Sunday Times Culture section today has some news on Lesley Douglas for you, along with his comments on her stewardship of Radio 2 and BBC6. Apparently her £280,000 per annum job will be advertised soon.

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Message 35 - posted by kitchengroove (U4764766) , Nov 10, 2008

Sis,
meant to get back earlier on this, It was the Paul O’grady Show. Apparently he went to Wigan about 10 times (and is still a Northern Fan), so the show featured a few Northen fans dressed in a fashion of the time, as worn by some of the Wigan attendees circa 1976. There was discussion on one of the Soul boards by the youngster involved in the show, and he was told what to wear for the programme on the day.
“Is that what they wear “? . I havn’t attended that many allnighters but like most retro music events there are the odd few, who get fully involved with its time warp attraction. In the south they’re more likely to turn up in a Mod fashion (especially the younger section). But the good thing about all events, is the friendly atmosphere and the acceptance of anybody interested in the music.

Dave.

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Message 36 - posted by orsogrande (U11399418) , Nov 10, 2008

Dave and Sis,

Not usually around at the weekend and, even if I am, I don't usually have time or facilities to listen and comment on the longer posts.

So, had a quick listen this morning and it really confims that I love the soulful vocals but really can't manage the beat.

For example, I went to the Soul Survivors site and randomly selected one of the songs I didn't know - The Monitors, 'Crying in the Night' and there it was, that **** snare drum. Even the same with the next, The Elgins, 'Darling Baby' although that was much more to my taste being a little slower and has a slight doo-wop feel I like (I love a couple of Patti Drew tracks with a similar feel). I put the Al Green on and it just seemed much, much more to my taste.

Sis, Charles Beverly has a voice to die for but the rest (ie the music) is all a bit 'ho-hum' as far as I'm concerned.

I'd be the first to say that I feel it's my weakness and I'm the same with Motown - never cared for their 'sound' before the end of the sixties.

I'm also aware that my particular love for reggae and Lovers Rock in particular creates a similar reaction in others and reduces me to frustration that they just can't hear how wonderful it is!

Thinking about it, I think there are two reasons I've never connected with the early soul sound.

Firstly, I've never danced to 60's soul, my dancing experience has always been in the midtempo (some faster jazz) area and to funk/jazz/disco rather than 'soul'. That's probably because that's what was around when I was younger, not going to the clubs that played the older stuff.

I was also involved with a local 'party' soul sound system and the thing was always to have the latest sound rather than looking backwards - of course that meant I've got a lot of rubbish in the collection.

Also, there certainly didn't seem to the same affection for the old soul amongst the afro-carribean friends I was spending my time with (acknowledging the debt Jamaican music owes to the US sound, The Impressions in particular).

Secondly, I can to soul relatively late (early-mid 20's) and started with the contemporary stuff early-mid eighties so the Northern 'sound' wasn't (isn't) part of my vocabulary. I was thinking that if i got a really good comp. I could 'live with' then I'd get educated to the sound.

I can also very much understand that the earlier music sounds a lot more natural, authentic and 'real' in some ways.

Anyway, I'm not really sure where I'm going with this but you get the general idea I hope.

That said, I intend to make it a medium term project to listen to as much early soul as I can and see if it finally 'clicks' for me and thanks again for the posts.

Orso

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Message 37 - posted by hank plankton (U4792100) , Nov 10, 2008

Orso,
Sorry to bust in on your 'Hotline to Jem' thread, but, honestly. If you leave the cosy confines of this board and stroll around the other boards it's rather depressing. What a load of whingers! If I had to wade through all the negativity and vitriol as our Jem does I'd be back on the tequila, for breakfast!

Cheers
Hank.

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Message 38 - posted by orsogrande (U11399418) , Nov 10, 2008

I agree, Hank.

That's why I've gone in for a little mild teasing as opposed to this type of post: 'why doesn't R2/R6/BBC1 play my favourite music/show my favourite TV programmes all the time or else you're wasting licencepayers money!'

It's nice he makes an appearence from time to time as it seem's he's fairly senior.

That said, I've been modded a couple of times recently and had a post removed so it's not all smooch between us!

Orso

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Message 39 - posted by kitchengroove (U4764766) , Nov 10, 2008

Orso,
"Devestated" (to Quote Cheryl Cole's Geordie accent), how can a man who likes his soul music, not feel the power of the driving force of 60's Motown "Benny Benjamin". A man who's drum fills (and drinking habits) are legendary, these coupled with James Jamerson's bass were just one of Gordy's Aces in the pack, that gave him the winning hand.

To be fair, entry points into era's of music can often shape your likes & dislikes of what came before. It seems from this last post that your tastes veer more toward the smoother Motown of the 70's & 80's produced in LA (more Mowest)than the rougher Detroit.

As for Afro Americans/Caribeans rarely looking back at what came before. It is well known that part of their culture is more about looking cool and being in tune with "What's happenin' now" rather What's been. You can apply this to most teenagers as well.

Dave

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Message 40 - posted by orsogrande (U11399418) , Nov 10, 2008

Dave,

Don't be devastated - I'm sure I'd be equally devastated if you didn't recognise the genius of the Ariwa Lover's Rock sound as produced by Neil 'The Mad Professor' Fraser in the 80's, but of course you do, so that's not a problem winkeye

No, as I said, I feel it's my weakness that I don't get that 60's sound although I can fully appreciate it - I still don't give up on connecting but I'll still have to get over that snare sound.

I'm cerainly not averse to roughness, as a lover of both Studio 1 reggae and punk there's plenty of roughness there!

I do think some of it has to do with dancing, I've always been from the 'sway and spin' school rather than the 'shuffle and drop' school.

It's obviously a generalisation but I haven't really come across many friends of an afro-carribean origin that 'collect' records although it was a bit more in evidence on the old 'rare groove' scene rather than before that.Hip-hop samples all tend to be post-60's.

It's good in some ways to always be looking for the new thing, that's how the music develops, even if it might not be in a direction we like!

Just to put the cat among the pigeons, these are both by William Bell but the second is a desert island disc, not the first.

Happy:
www.youtube.com/watc...

Headline News:
www.youtube.com/watc...

Just my opinion.

Orso

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Message 41 - posted by kitchengroove (U4764766) , Nov 10, 2008

Orso,
Two great tracks from William, the 1st a bit of a throwback from Stax, a track that’s been accepted on the Northern scene from it’s release in 69. (You see, you already like some, it’s just identifying the right style of Northern) The second from William’s first go at self production for the Wilbe label.

From this I would say the more produced style of crossover/modern is likely to be your bag.

Try Channel 3 - The Sweetest Thing/Someone else’s arms : Brunswick
a great double sided 45

Dave

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Message 42 - posted by hank plankton (U4792100) , Nov 17, 2008

Jem. Are you still out there??

Dunno if you can help but we seem to have lost something.

A bunch of us have been taking part in a thing called 'Album Wars' for the past few months, where we basically vote for certain albums to determine the all time greatest. It's been rather time consuming, especially for the guy that devised it and is 'marking'. It started on 'The Flip Side', but got too big for some, so it hibernated for a while.
Thing is, we found an empty corner of the boards, 'Student Essentials', and kind of set up camp there. A tad cheeky possibly, but no harm done. Unfortunately, developers appear to have moved in and kicked out the squatters to make way for some christmas themed thing.
Is there any possible way that all our postings on the 'Student Essentials' board could be retrieved and 'air-lifted' onto 'The Flip-Side'??

Pretty please,

Yours, in hope,

Admiral Hank. J. Plankton.

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Message 43 - posted by Jem Stone (U517591) , Nov 17, 2008

Hi Admiral
I'll have a look. Why was it too big for the "flip side" ?

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Message 44 - posted by hank plankton (U4792100) , Nov 17, 2008

Hi Jem,
Why was it too big for the "flip side" ?

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Well, if you take a look at 'The Flip Side' and go back a few pages you'll see it became quite a beast. That seemed to annoy a few posters and it all went pear shaped. I think they'll just have to deal with it in future, IF you can do a bit of cut'n'paste magic and get it working again.
As I said, a fair few of us have been contributing to it, and Beet even told Johnny Walker about it, in person!

Anything you can do would be great.

Cheers,
Hank.

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Message 45 - posted by Plainzman (U10898905) , Nov 17, 2008

Jem,

Please do your best in helping a few of us on here to continue to enjoy "album wars" by reinstating the thread in a suitable place.We we all be grateful if you could.

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Message 46 - posted by AWMH (U9011022) , Nov 17, 2008

I concur, I'm still waiting for "It'll Shine When It Shines" to come up.

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Message 47 - posted by DisComp (U12857793) , Nov 17, 2008

I too concur

Personally I'm waiting for Westlife's Love Album to come up, it's just dreamy XXX

DC

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Message 48 - posted by hank plankton (U4792100) , Nov 17, 2008

Hi again Jem,

I'm lifting this from 'The Flip Side' in case you miss it. Someone far better with words than I...

Dear people of the glorious (and I mean that most sincerely folks) Radio '2' who oversee these boards.

I am a poster of some 18 to 20 months standing, music being the main love of my life (well I suppose Mrs Beet should come first, as she does) which is why most of my evenings are spent on these boards discussing topics, songs, events and opinions with fellow music lovers, who share my passion for music.

I have learnt over my time on these boards, that there are so many talented, knowledgable and dedicated posters out there that I really would love to meet and talk with or, just shake hands, purely to thank them for the pleasure they have given me.

I have always tried to remain (knowing full well these boards are monitored) the epitomy of calm. Sometimes it's been hard but, hey I managed. (I think I only ever got one message back, stating there was a bad word or phrase, in a post, which was quickly adjusted)

So, good watchers of these boards, let me ask you one question (and please don't hide behind your screens, or run away because you're probably a lot better than to do that)
Where did the 'Album Wars' thread disappear to?

A polite question. The man Ben, has spent so much time on this that he must (as I would be having typed and compiled so much) be a broken man now, having logged on today and seeing it gone.

Yet, maybe you work odd hours, but there has been no reply as yet to my fellow crew on the good ship '2' messageboard.

Tragic to think (upon the rebirth of this thread some weeks ago) I saw Johnnie Walker in Epsom, this time last week, and mentioned the thread to him after the show, merely hinting that the final '20' would make for a great two hour show, as in the top tweny albums as voted for by the true listeners and music lovers of '2'
He said he hadn't checked the board out in a while and that he may well do, me thinking that he might be thinking maybe a good idea for a one off show.

But the thread is no more.
As I said previously, Ben must be a broken man now (having had his thread thwarted for the second time, but for what I ask politely) as are all those that took the time out to think and reply.

I have (I hope you'll agree good people) polite and respectful throughout this post.

The '3' board has six or eight catagories. One just concentrates on the '3' breakfast show and the most popular by far is the 'jazz' board.

So in ending my impassioned plea, please reinstate my friend Ben's 'Album Wars' thread, even on a temporary site for the duration. (If you can do it for Eurovision, you can sure as hell do it for Ben Hillier) Just until it ends, please...pretty please. AS I said earlier, the result could be another good Radio '2' program.

And finally, not only for Ben (saint that he is, patience wise anyway) but for all my mates, scribes and (just maybe one or two) heroes on these boards.

Watchers and posters, take care.

Beet

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Please do what you can fella.

All the best,

Admiral Hank.J.Plankton

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Message 49 - posted by hank plankton (U4792100) , Nov 18, 2008

"Mork calling Orson, come in Orson..."

Jem? Are you there?

I know they keep you on your toes over at 6music, but any news on our lost 'Album Wars'?

Just thought I'd ask whilst passing through.

Yours,

Admiral Hank.J.Plankton (feeling a bit like a scabby-kneed little boy asking for his football back.)

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Message 50 - posted by positivity61 (U12805136) , Nov 18, 2008

Is There Anybody Out There

www.youtube.com/watc...

There must be a mod out there somewhere, i had a post pulled pretty quickly yesterday 'cos i happened to use a word they didn't like so i know you're reading this.

We're asking nicely, we would just like a response please. What's happening with album wars?

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