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A sad day for the BBC and Radio 2

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Message 1 - posted by Bonamai (U9464939) , Jan 7, 2010

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Message 2 - posted by Soulsister (U2903288) , Jan 7, 2010

I am delighted. He's had a good inning and been handsomely rewarded for it - now let's hope they give Mark Lamarr the Saturday show on a permanent basis (if he wants it that is) and I can start listening again.

I'm so tired of presenters who think the music is something they stick on in between talking to allow them to draw breath, and JR was the master.

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Message 3 - posted by Sir Ad E Noid (U1525146) , Jan 7, 2010

I'll miss the R2 show on Saturdays, but there are plenty of others who could host a chat show and Film 2010.

I think he was probably fed up with the gutless way R2 decided to pre-record all of his shows. As long as his replacement is'nt someone like George Lamb, Mark Lamarr, Richard Allinson or Danny Baker it should be OK.

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Message 4 - posted by Moonraker54 (U12124725) , Jan 7, 2010

Very good news indeed, lets hope we get someone worth listening to.

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Message 5 - posted by crxfrd (U14285167) , Jan 7, 2010

Danny Baker - the man for the job

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Message 6 - posted by zydecoking (U5267117) , Jan 7, 2010

There is a god !!
Hooray

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Message 7 - posted by Helen May (U1633128) , Jan 7, 2010

Best news this year so far!

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Message 8 - posted by Soulsister (U2903288) , Jan 7, 2010

There is a god !!
Hooray

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laughlaughlaugh

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Message 9 - posted by johnpetters (U14248685) , Jan 7, 2010

Whooppeeeeeeeee

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Message 10 - posted by Jem Stone (U517591) , Jan 7, 2010

btw: The BBC has just issued an official statement about the Ross statement/decision.


The BBC issued the following statement at 11.00am today (Thursday 7 January).

Jana Bennett, Director, BBC Vision, says: "Jonathan Ross has told us that he's decided not to pursue the renewal of his contract with the BBC.

"Jonathan is an extremely talented broadcaster and his programmes for BBC TV and Radio have been a great success.

"However, it's been a difficult year for him and I understand why he feels it's the right thing to do.

"I'm pleased that Jonathan will continue to apply his considerable abilities to the remaining six months of Friday Night, Film 2010 and his Radio 2 show, and I'm delighted that he will continue to present the BAFTA awards and Comic Relief for BBC Television."

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Message 11 - posted by maccafan (U14285184) , Jan 7, 2010

Oh no!! Another six months to go?????

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Message 12 - posted by maccafan (U14285184) , Jan 7, 2010

A very happy day as far as I'm concerned. Saturday mornings were the only time we tuned away from Radio 2, apart from when stand-ins were one. Now we can have wall-to-wall Radio 2 again.

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Message 13 - posted by BarryIsland (U14274174) , Jan 7, 2010

Fair play to JR for having some principles. He's still turning down one hell of a salary.

Danny B wouldn't want it. He's happy on Five Live at that time.

I suspect Allan Carr may be eased into the slot.

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Message 14 - posted by Soulsister (U2903288) , Jan 7, 2010

laughlaughlaugh

This thread is turning into a belter!

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Message 15 - posted by geminiman (U3516113) , Jan 7, 2010

Not a sad day at all.I for one begrudge paying my licence fee to help pay this man's indecent salary reported as being 18 million pounds over 3 yrs.That is ludicrous for a man who can't even pronounce his own name.
Time for the BBC to get rid of more fat cats and give some new blood an airing.They could start with the afternoon show it seems it takes half a dozen people to send out the same tired old formula.

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Message 16 - posted by Bagsbunny (U2376754) , Jan 7, 2010

I believe that that is a myth-his PRODUCTION COMPANY received the money-that means that everything, from studio time, cameraman's wages, camera mans's tea, the wages of the runner to make the tea, guest's expenses-EVERYTHING that a tv or radio show costs to make, which is considerable-had to come out of that money. Now, I'm sure he made a good deal of profit, but to say he personally earned 18 million is rather wide of the mark.

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Message 17 - posted by Hey_ho_Aunty_Beeb (U14285241) , Jan 7, 2010

The star added that his decision to leave was not "financially motivated".


Yeah right, so you'll be happy to go to C4 or Sky and earn less money to do so - I think not Mr Ross.
Be interesting to see who the programme planners will look to fill in the Friday night chat roll.

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Message 18 - posted by elwoodeneye (U10727501) , Jan 7, 2010

Great news , shame the bbc didn't have the nerve to get rid of him , but still good news - he was never worth what he was paid and became too big for his boots , thinking he could do what he pleased .



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Message 19 - posted by Peta (U24) , Jan 7, 2010


Hi Bagsbunny

I believe that you're right - I used to host the Points of View board and this was often discussed over there - as I understand it, the figure often quoted as 'his salary' was paid for the production of his programmes, rather than being a wage paid to him as an individual.

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Message 20 - posted by TV Licence fee payer against BBC censorship (U13430451) , Jan 7, 2010

I'm over the moon, hopefully all the other DJ's who should be working for either R1 or commercial radio will also go (one way of the other) and R2 will again be the great "Easy Listening" station it once was - first step, get Stew-Pot back for Saturday mornings in place of Ross! :~)

PS, any chance that Ross might be persuaded to use up the rest of his holiday entitlement between now any July?...

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Message 21 - posted by Sir Ad E Noid (U1525146) , Jan 7, 2010

geminiman

You've just spouted the biggest myth on the BBC boards. Ross was given a 3 year budget of £18 million for his production company to produce an agreed number of radio and TV shows. Out of that figure, his company pays all of the costs of making the shows including salaries, so the Daily Mail myth that he pocketed the £18 million is total rubbish. He's obviously done well for himself, but he can't be blamed for accepting an offer.

I still say that this has got more to do with the BBC's paranoia about letting him perform live than anything else. Still, let's spend the money on great new comedy like 'Big Top' or similar. doh

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Message 22 - posted by brownsauce (U2503657) , Jan 7, 2010

I'm still genuinely amazed by the seemingly endless frustration/ignorance concerning JR's salary. As has already been said here, you can't really blame the man for accepting a good offer! The consensus amongst the self-righteous Ross detractors on Twitter seems to be: "maybe they'll spend all that money on someone decent now" but unlike other BBC broadcasters on similarly large payscales (Moyles, Evans) Jonathan was actually a damn good *mainstream* broadcaster, an intelligent bloke who tailored his material for mass consumption. No one else even comes close to being able to do all the stuff he did in such an entertaining accessible way.

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Message 23 - posted by sircoxsone (U14048248) , Jan 7, 2010

I dunno, it's hard for me to get too worked up over it.

I think Ross was once a fine and original broadcaster (if you like his general style) but has become tired and cliched over recent years.

Maybe a change will be good for him and might refresh his style.

He is well paid and, I think it's fair to say, will continue to be well-paid wherever he goes.

Personally, I'd like to hear my favourite records and music on a Saturday morning so I've got a lot in common with you all.

Unfortunately for me, and probably fortunately for the average R2 listener, I ain't going to get that! laugh

Given the audience figures, it would make sense for R2 to not stray *too* far from Ross' style.

Mark Lamarr is a personal favourite and has deputised for Ross in the past.

I'm not sure that he would be close enough to Ross' more 'cheeky' style to be acceptable to R" and, in some ways, he's even more of a maverick than Ross although a very professional broadcaster.

Bearing that in mind, I think Danny Baker would be excellent. A poster in another place convinced me to give his Radio London show a try and, although it's not my usual taste in radio, he's very good and most entertaining without being dumb.

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Message 24 - posted by brownsauce (U2503657) , Jan 7, 2010

The trouble with Danny Baker and Mark Lamarr is, as excellent as they both are, they are not really mainstream broadcasters. They both share something in common with Ross in that they are clever creative broadcasters who obviously love what they do, but unlike JR they refuse to compromise for the sake of a bigger audience.

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Message 25 - posted by geminiman (U3516113) , Jan 7, 2010

Even if his salary covered his production team its still a lot of money.I worked in a paper mill employing over 200 men and the wage bill came nowhere near that.But that is the society we like in now,where no talent celebs are paid a fortune.OK grumpy old man rant over.

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Message 26 - posted by brownsauce (U2503657) , Jan 7, 2010

My original point about JR was that he was one of very few mainstream presenters who was actually funny. Bob Shennan won't give the slot to Baker or Lamarr because they simply don't command a big audience, with that in mind, who will replace JR? I reckon Zoe Ball, Allan Carr and Graham Norton are all likely candidates and none of them come close...

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Message 27 - posted by sircoxsone (U14048248) , Jan 7, 2010

My original point about JR was that he was one of very few mainstream presenters who was actually funny. Bob Shennan won't give the slot to Baker or Lamarr because they simply don't command a big audience, with that in mind, who will replace JR? I reckon Zoe Ball, Allan Carr and Graham Norton are all likely candidates and none of them come close...

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Fair points all, BrownSauce.

I think Danny is more likely than Lamarr as he has a softer style and, although doesn't automatically command the size of audience that Ross does, could grow into it.

The problem is that neither Baker or Lamarr bring the TV audience with them that Ross does.

Of those you mention, Norton his a sizeable TV following. I haven't really heard his radio but I like his TV show myself.

That said, none of those candidates you mention have as much of a 'blokey' following as Ross (but not exclusively, I hasten to add). Whereas Lamarr and Baker would be more in the Ross style.

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Message 28 - posted by devonside (U2442261) , Jan 7, 2010

I think Ross was past his best. So I look forward to a change. But please........not Alan Carr.

Sir Ad E Noid, assume your comments about Big Top were sarcasm.

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Message 29 - posted by Sir Ad E Noid (U1525146) , Jan 7, 2010

The BBC ought to think about poaching Frank Skinner from Absolute Radio. His Saturday morning breakfast show is always funny and witty without being crude and a decent mix of music is played.

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Message 30 - posted by Soulsister (U2903288) , Jan 7, 2010

My original point about JR was that he was one of very few mainstream presenters who was actually funny.

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Funny? To you maybe, but to me he's about as funny as his mate Jimmy Carr and he's not funny either. I've heard better jokes in the playground.

He's a 50 year old bloke, who makes schoolboy jokes, talks over his guests, never gives them a chance to finish a sentence, and loves the sound of his own voice. I'm sure he'll have a great career on ITV or Channel 4 or somewhere, but at least the good old British license payer won't be paying his wages anymore.

Me I'm just glad he's off the radio of a Saturday - last time I listened to his show, I lasted about ten minutes. They can give the gig to any of those mentioned so far - Lamarr, Danny Baker, even Richard Allinson and it would be an improvement as far as I'm concerned.

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Message 31 - posted by zydecoking (U5267117) , Jan 7, 2010

"They both share something in common with Ross in that they are clever creative"

Now that is odd reading, maybe I am still asleep and dreaming someone wrote that !

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Message 32 - posted by Lord Evan Elpussall (U1680871) , Jan 7, 2010

Why not have a proper DJ on instead of a 'celebrity' or comedian. How about giving Lynn Parsons her own show once again? Or maybe bringing back Sybil Ruscoe or Mark Goodier.

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Message 33 - posted by brownsauce (U2503657) , Jan 7, 2010

Each to their own soulsister, comedy is subjective afterall. I think JR is funny, so do loads of others evidently.
The likes of Goodier and Parsons would be a huge step backwards I reckon, isn't the point of the BBC to give us something that couldn't be offered by commercial radio?

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Message 34 - posted by zydecoking (U5267117) , Jan 7, 2010

"isn't the point of the BBC to give us something that couldn't be offered by commercial radio?"

That would be nice, what they actually do is show how to waste licence payers money on people that are
not good enough for Commercial Radio.

A lot of people could now be employed on what was his wage.

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Message 35 - posted by dave (U2043922) , Jan 7, 2010

Who are we going to get on Saturday mornings, not the usual standings I hope erm

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Message 36 - posted by Moonraker54 (U12124725) , Jan 7, 2010

Chris Evans could do Saturday mornings as well as weekdays!

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Message 37 - posted by brownsauce (U2503657) , Jan 7, 2010

"A lot of people could now be employed on what was his wage."

Thanks for so eloquently backing up the point I made earlier re "peoples ignorance over JR's salery".

It has been stated a number of times ON THIS VERY THREAD that "his wage" was actually money paid to his production company to make all three shows for the BBC Radio & TV, including the Friday night chat show, which I presume would cost quite a bit with production staff, engineers, guest fees etc.

What do you mean by "a lot of people" anyway? Bit vague innit? Let's have some suggestions? If you can think of a better chat show host than JR I'll marry a horse.

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Message 38 - posted by brownsauce (U2503657) , Jan 7, 2010

Salary is the correct way to spell salery of course. *blush*

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Message 39 - posted by maccafan (U14285184) , Jan 7, 2010

Michael Parkinson actually interviewed people, put them at ease and encouraged them to speak.
I think Trigger is still single.

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Message 40 - posted by sircoxsone (U14048248) , Jan 7, 2010

The BBC ought to think about poaching Frank Skinner from Absolute Radio. His Saturday morning breakfast show is always funny and witty without being crude and a decent mix of music is played.

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That's a thought, Sir Ad.

I can see it's available on podcast so I'll give it a go.

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Message 41 - posted by brownsauce (U2503657) , Jan 7, 2010

Michael Parkinson?! You've got's to be joking! The man whose opening question to Ralphe Fiennes was "so why did you want to become an actor?"
It's no longer 1978, I think we can do better than that...

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Message 42 - posted by maccafan (U14285184) , Jan 7, 2010

Good quality is timeless.

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Message 43 - posted by Peter de Meteor (U4368163) , Jan 7, 2010

I'm rarely near a radio at that time on a Saturday.

We'd occasionally have J.R.'s show on on the Supporters' Club coach travelling to away games (I usually don't use that method of travel, though), and I always found it borderline entertaining - usually down to the music played, rather than the patter.

Regarding 'Friday Night With . . .', I'd usually only make an effort to watch it if he had a guest I'm particularly interested in, or a band playing I like (e.g. New York Dolls), but not in order to watch him. I could certainly never understand the point of his 'house band' - it'd help a bit if they could sing and play in tune!

J.R.'s always seemed to me to be someone 'famous by association' with other, actually talented and creative people (e.g. Vic Reeves and Bob Mortimer, Danny Baker).

I think my mate Geoff likes him; but, there again, Geoff likes Coldplay!

. . . From The Asteroid Belt, Peter de Meteorstar

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Message 44 - posted by bluebird (U14285579) , Jan 7, 2010

Granted a lot of people think that Jonathon Ross is funny, some even think he is some kind of genius (why I do not know, it does not take intelligence to insult people). yes the money "he" is paid is actually a fee to his production company. point is, whoever the money is paid to, the show is not worth it, it is an obscene amount of our license money to be paid for one relatively short show.

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Message 45 - posted by brownsauce (U2503657) , Jan 7, 2010

"Good quality is timeless."

Indeed, his interviews in the 70s with Muhammed Ali and Sammy Davis are still great viewing but this is less to do with 'Parky' and more because Ali and Davis were such great raconteurs (not to mention huge stars). Parky is living proof of the old phrase "you're only as good as your guests".

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Message 46 - posted by maccafan (U14285184) , Jan 7, 2010

Dear Board Moderator,
Why are there 2 asterisks after some names?

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Message 47 - posted by sircoxsone (U14048248) , Jan 7, 2010

Why are there 2 asterisks after some names?

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Means you're online.

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Message 48 - posted by brownsauce (U2503657) , Jan 7, 2010

>>>>>>>it is an obscene amount of our license money to be paid for one relatively short show<<<<<<<<<

It's actually three shows, but still.

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Message 49 - posted by Sam (U786504) , Jan 7, 2010

Hello maccafan

The asterisks show that the user is currently logged in.

They may be visible for a time after a user logs out as it takes a while for the changes to synch across the various servers.

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Message 50 - posted by maccafan (U14285184) , Jan 7, 2010

Thank you.
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