Discuss

BBC (BDO World Darts) vs Sky and ITV (PDC World darts and grandslam)

  • Lidders on Tuesday, 4th January 2011

    I would like to start a discussion on the BBC and BDO's presentation of the world darts competition at the Lakeside, hopefully we can get something to change for the good of BDO.

    First of all despite Colin Murray and the snooker introducers best efforts to put some life and fun into the show, it lacks so much of what Sky and ITV do so well with their presentations.

    The lakeside atmosphere appears to be as lively as a world war gas chamber, and I think all the BBC/BDO needs to do is have a tune for inbetween sets like Sky and ITV do to get the crowd and atmosphere going. I know an improvement in the standard of darts could make it better, but since it's the BDO I can't see that happening.

    Get that old codger "lets play darts" off of stage and get that snooker introducer on!!!!!

  • Message 2. Posted by quarminator on Tuesday, 4th January 2011 permalink

    After reading the above message I can only concur with the author.

    As a license fee payer I feel incensed watching the BBC presentation. Often just as a game gets to the climax, the programme ends to make way for Gardeners Weekly or something similar. I know you can watch it if you have interactive TV channels but I think the main point it shows is that darts is of little importance to the BBC.

    The whole atmosphere is poor, the whole competition and arena hasn't moved on since 1980. I think the BBC and BDO are joint blame, but as the BBC televises the competition I think that they have a responsibility to drag the BDO and the tournament into the 21st century

    As for Maurice Fitzgerald the MC. Has he never heard of retirement!

    I know the PDC has its knockers for idiots in the crowd etc etc, but give me the POWER, the presentation, and best of all...the walk on girls any time!

    Look at hand 'on it!

  • Message 3. Posted by Lidders on Tuesday, 4th January 2011 permalink

    How did I forget to mention the walk on girls!!! Good points there quarminator. Thanks for your comments. Hopefully the BBC can sit up and take notice, no wonder they lag behind all other broadcasting companies.

  • Message 4. Posted by Limehouse on Tuesday, 4th January 2011 permalink

    Darts and Snooker, are pub games. They have no place on the BBC, day time, holiday time or any other time. Cheapskate television,

  • Message 5. Posted by quarminator on Tuesday, 4th January 2011 permalink

    I really do feel sorry for you my friend!!

    Look at mi dancing feet, tha's gonna get a reet clip!!!!!!!!

  • Message 6. Posted by Harry Stottle on Tuesday, 4th January 2011 permalink

    I no unnerstand. Is the BDO the senior World Championship or have the BBC got a second division tournament?

  • Message 7. Posted by Lidders on Wednesday, 5th January 2011 permalink

    This post has been removed.

  • Message 8. Posted by Lidders on Wednesday, 5th January 2011 permalink

    The BDO is a totally seperate darts organisation. But the PDC attracts the better players since they have the money from sky and other broadcasters. The BDO is the original darts organisation and now pretty much a feeder, second division darts outfit for the PDC. Saying that Scotty "2 hotty" Waites (a BDO player) won the grandslam of darts competition run by the PDC, which invites BDO players to enter.

    If you have Sky you would have seen how much better the atmosphere is at their event at Alexandras Palace last week, the final included a 9 dart finish smiley - smiley

  • Message 9. Posted by Lidders on Wednesday, 5th January 2011 permalink

    This post has been removed.

  • Message 10. Posted by JACKARMY75 on Wednesday, 5th January 2011 permalink

    The BDO is run by Ollie Croft who basically wants to do everything by himself the bloke is in his 80s. And runs the organisation as it was when it started in the early 70s he does not like change and woe be tide anyone that suggests change.
    The PDC is run by Barry Hearn who has a lot of backers and money and is willing to let the game go with the times and improve for players and fan's alike.
    approx 6 months ago Barry Hearn offered to buy Ollie Croft and the BDO for 2 million pounds and still leave Ollie Croft in charge and let them go as they were. just with the backing of the Pdc. But Ollie Ccroft refused even to consider the offer point blank. So Barry Hearn has said let them stay in the old format and see how long before they fold or have to look elswhere for funding.
    The PDC attracts the better players because of the number of ranking and televised tournaments and better prize money. The BDO only has limited tournaments and a lot lower prize money.

  • Message 11. Posted by Harry Stottle on Wednesday, 5th January 2011 permalink

    So the best darts players are Phil "The Power" Taylor and his lot, not the guys I've watched a bit at 7 o'clock?

  • Message 12. Posted by bobbgooduk on Wednesday, 5th January 2011 permalink

    Why is something as boring as darts on the TV anyway? You might as well watch patches of different paints drying to see which one dries quickest.

    Totally boring. Totally uninteresting the the majority of people.

    If the BBC feel they have to show this rubbish, it needs to be put on a sports only channel, along with the snooker, golf, sheepdog trials etc.

  • Message 13. Posted by JACKARMY75 on Wednesday, 5th January 2011 permalink

    There are a majority of better players in the PDC. But there is some up and coming talent coming from the BDO. Namely Scott Waites (I know he lost tonight but i think the pdc has given him an offer he couldn't refuse). With a few exeptions who want to stay with the BDO. Martin Adams, Tony O Shea, Ted Hankey.

  • Message 14. Posted by Lidders on Wednesday, 5th January 2011 permalink

    Exactly, Taylor was unbeatable for years, he's been having a bad spell recently but the darts at 7pm on BBC is lower standard yes.

    The guy above has explained the situation well.

  • Message 15. Posted by gingercodgers on Wednesday, 5th January 2011 permalink

    There are good darts players in both PDC and BDO.
    In my opinion the BBC should drag themselves out of the last century, get rid of Mr Lets Play Darts and Mr Cash For Gold.

  • Message 16. Posted by Lidders on Wednesday, 5th January 2011 permalink

    By the way JACKARMY75, how come Martin Adams doesn't compete in the grandslam? The wolf faced basket too chicken you think?

    You're right about there being some talent still in BDO, O'Shea, Hankey and Waites all showed they're skill at the grandslwm, especially Hankey beating Taylor. I know Taylor wasn't at his best with the glasses but still it was Taylor.

  • Message 17. Posted by Lidders on Wednesday, 5th January 2011 permalink

    This post has been removed.

  • Message 18. Posted by JACKARMY75 on Wednesday, 5th January 2011 permalink

    I totally agree lidders. Martin Adams Seems to always duck out of any mixed code tournaments. He also refused to play Phil Taylor in a 1hr shootout most legs won wins on ITV. As Barney did with Taylor a few years ago.
    Think Ollie Croft had something to do with that, And making favourable commitments to Adams.

  • Message 19. Posted by bobbgooduk on Wednesday, 5th January 2011 permalink

    At best, darts is a game of skill, NOT a sport. I have no more interest in watching darts on TV than I do in watching card games.

    Some people are interested, I realise that, but surely the audience is small. The darts was on 4 times during the day the other day - overkill?

  • Message 20. Posted by stirling on Wednesday, 5th January 2011 permalink

    Totally boring. Totally uninteresting the the majority of people.


    What you actually mean is that YOU find it boring/uninteresting. Tough on you.

  • Message 21. Posted by Lidders on Wednesday, 5th January 2011 permalink

    I guess everybody can have their own opinions on whether darts is a sport and i can see the arguments for and against but fact is, it is a sport.

    It's full of skill and since it's given prime time television and a good earner for Sky sports I imagine darts is liked by many in the country.

    I love it at least and if BBC pulled their finger out there would be a lot more interest.

  • Message 22. Posted by Chance Gardener on Wednesday, 5th January 2011 permalink

    What it needs is Phil Taylor.

  • Message 23. Posted by bobbgooduk on Thursday, 6th January 2011 permalink

    Why is it tough on me? My opinion of it is just as valid as anyone else's.
    The amount of time dedicated to darts should be proportional to the amount of interest. Imagine the hue and cry that would blow up if BBC 2 regularly interrupted its broadcasts to televise 4 ballets in a single day, or every day for a week. Or how about a two-week closedown of normal broadcasts on BBC1 and 2 like happens for Wimbledon, only this time we'll have endless musicals or opera.

    You're right, I DO find it boring and uninteresting, but I'm not the only one and I'll repeat my opinion that this kind of broadcast would be better suited to a dedicated sports channel.

  • Message 24. Posted by Miz NG on Thursday, 6th January 2011 permalink

    That's not what you were picked up upon. You stated that the majority would find darts boring, where viewers of 3-4 million and much higher during the finals would disagree with that.

    I enjoy darts immensly, but I do prefer the PDC on Sky. They have taken the sport to new heights and the BBC and BDO have voluntarily left themselves behind.

  • Message 25. Posted by leadedbee on Thursday, 6th January 2011 permalink

    Just commented on another Darts thread that the BBC would do well to drop 70s medaliion man Bobby George who can barely string two words together and just adds to the out of date, poor relation image that characterises the BBC coverage as compared to SKY/ITV.

  • Message 26. Posted by bobbgooduk on Thursday, 6th January 2011 permalink

    3 or 4 million people watched the darts? Out of 60 million people in the UK, that doesn't constitute a majority. Probably a proportion of those viewers watched it because there was nothing better on, and some would have been passive viewers because someone in the family wanted to watch it and all the rest of the family was forced to watch with them.

    What about hockey? What about women's football? What about ice hockey from Canada? Water polo - they all must be more "exciting" to watch than a pub game.

  • Message 27. Posted by Czerniakowska on Thursday, 6th January 2011 permalink

    "What about hockey? What about women's football? What about ice hockey from Canada? Water polo - they all must be more "exciting" to watch than a pub game."

    More to the point, why can't we have a minimum of six hours a week of women's beach volleyball?

  • Message 28. Posted by Lidders on Thursday, 6th January 2011 permalink

    And what you seem to be forgetting is that there are 60 million in the UK but there are also tens maybe hundreds of television channels available now on nearly all tv sets. You're also forgetting that people work, people don't watch telly, have other activities so taking that into account I think now 3-4 million viewers to me seems like a big proportion of "available viewers".

    If BBC upped their game then maybe that would be a much larger number!

    Look at me dancing feeeeeet!!!!

  • Message 29. Posted by Lidders on Thursday, 6th January 2011 permalink

    I'm all up for the beach volleyball pal.

    You seem to be missing the point of this thread. I'm not trying to get BBC to show more darts. They already have it on. All we ask is for them to make a bit more of a spectacle of the event.

    I'm a sports and "games" fan in general and would welcome any sport on tv. But maybe not American sports smiley - winkeye

  • Message 30. Posted by bobbgooduk on Thursday, 6th January 2011 permalink

    Perhaps if the darts players had to wear stretchy leotards and do fancy pirouettes and pliés before they took a shot it would be more entertaining AND would attract a broader audience - the ballet-darts afficionados would have a ball.

  • Message 31. Posted by gingercodgers on Thursday, 6th January 2011 permalink

    You seem to be missing the point of this thread. I'm not trying to get BBC to show more darts. They already have it on. All we ask is for them to make a bit more of a spectacle of the event.

    I'm a sports and "games" fan in general and would welcome any sport on tv. But maybe not American sports


    smiley - ok

    I'd watch American sports as well if it wasn't for the time difference, I'm usually tucked up with a book by the time they come on TV.
    To be honest I would watch any games or sport before watching the hours of soaps that are dragged out night after night, which my OH can't seem to miss.

  • Message 32. Posted by briggsy2 on Thursday, 6th January 2011 permalink

    I'd be much more impressed if the darts players had to wear a blindfold. Seriously , bring back the beer drinking between legs - since when has PCness been allowed to dictate that they must all drink bottled water (Cue plenty of free advertising there) ? Let's see Martin Adams et al sway their way to the oche and occasionally fall off the stage. No wonder there's no characters in sport anymore.

  • Message 33. Posted by gingercodgers on Thursday, 6th January 2011 permalink

    I'd be much more impressed if the darts players had to wear a blindfold


    It was far harder to get a 180 when all the cigarette smoke was hanging about!

  • Message 34. Posted by Lidders on Thursday, 6th January 2011 permalink

    Haha, those were the good old days, that and a bit of the Sky entertainment added the BBC could have a great show.

  • Message 35. Posted by Miz NG on Friday, 7th January 2011 permalink

    "Let's see Martin Adams et al sway their way to the oche and occasionally fall off the stage. No wonder there's no characters in sport anymore."

    You obviously missed Tony Fleet last year!

Copyright © 2015 BBC. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Read more.

This page is best viewed in an up-to-date web browser with style sheets (CSS) enabled. While you will be able to view the content of this page in your current browser, you will not be able to get the full visual experience. Please consider upgrading your browser software or enabling style sheets (CSS) if you are able to do so.