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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    I've just published this latest blog post about the POV boards:

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    Please leave your comments on the blog rather than on this thread as this is easier for me to manage.

    Thanks

  • Message 2

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by Professor Techno (U3287342) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    The bbc.co.uk/Online, digital and radio boards could be closed down. Helen said that radio already has the Feedback programme (and its own message boards) 

    So when the Radio board is closed you are expecting us to go to the Radio4 messageboard to discuss Radio 5live? smiley - doh

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  • Message 3

    , in reply to message 2.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    To the Five Live boards surely.

  • Message 4

    , in reply to message 3.

    Posted by Professor Techno (U3287342) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    Nick the 5live station board was closed down a few yearsd back thats why people moved to the POV radio board to discuss 5live.

    Surely you are not encouraging us to discuss 5live on the UK/World news boards that would be off topic surely.

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  • Message 5

    , in reply to message 4.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    No.

    But POV is a TV programme about BBC TV not about BBC radio. So the conversations on the Radio are unlikely to go very far.

    The solution might be for the Feedback radio programme (which is about BBC radio) to have some kind of blog or messageboard attached.

  • Message 6

    , in reply to message 4.

    Posted by niclaramartin (U1621265) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    NO Radio 5 board, Nick.

    www.bbc.co.uk/messag...

    Nick thinks smiley - erm "Curses, back to the drawing board....."

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  • Message 7

    , in reply to message 5.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    sorry should be "conversations on the POV radio board are unlikely to go very far".

  • Message 8

    , in reply to message 6.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    Five Live is here:

    www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

  • Message 9

    , in reply to message 8.

    Posted by Professor Techno (U3287342) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    Five Live is here:

    www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb... 


    Yes to discuss UK/WORLD NEWS issues not 5LIVE issues.

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  • Message 10

    , in reply to message 5.

    Posted by niclaramartin (U1621265) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    NICK

    Please, change the record.

    some kind of blog or messageboard  

    WE in THIS part of BBC website ARE MESSAGEBOARDERS, not bloggers.

    Could you arrange to have messageboards for messageboarders NOT blogs?

    YOU JUST WILL NOT ACCEPT that we do not want to LEAVE the messageboards to go to a blog. We are not interested in blogging, and we should NOT be expected to leave OUR area to go to somewhere else in BBC to discuss OUR MESSAGEBOARDS or BBC programmes Radio or TV. They were set up in THIS part of BBC NOT on blogs.

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  • Message 11

    , in reply to message 8.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    Five Live also have some blogs:

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    see right hand panel on the above page

  • Message 12

    , in reply to message 11.

    Posted by Professor Techno (U3287342) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    Five Live also have some blogs:

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/

    see right hand panel on the above page  


    WE DONT WANT BLOGS!!
    WE WANT MESSAGEBOARDS!!

    Sorry for shouting but Nicks obsession with BOGS is getting beyond a joke!!

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  • Message 13

    , in reply to message 12.

    Posted by niclaramartin (U1621265) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    NICK THIS IS THE MESSAGEBOARDING AREA.

    PLEASE TALK ABOUT MESSAGEBOARDS.smiley - doh

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  • Message 14

    , in reply to message 13.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    And there's a Five Live area on the BBC News Editors blog:

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    So there are places to talk about Five Live on the BBC.

  • Message 15

    , in reply to message 13.

    Posted by niclaramartin (U1621265) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    Prof

    I don't think EVEN shouting through a megaphone is getting the message through to Nick.

    He blogs, and thinks that everyone should blog.

    We've tried it, and we DON'T LIKE BBC's VERSION OF BLOGGING.

    It's great if YOU are the author, but a thankless, boring, time-wasting, area to visit IF YOU are the general public. smiley - doh

    I know you don't want to hear that Nick, but that is how Messageboarders perceive BBC blogs.

    Can we now stop mentioning blogs, whilst you are visiting us on the Messageboards?

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by Professor Techno (U3287342) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    Nick why are you DELIBRATLY being PROVAKITIVE you know the MAJORITY prefer MESSAGEBOARDS yet you still want to convert us all to bloggers.

    Have you got a target to meet the more BLOGGERS you get on the BBC Blogs the more you get paid??

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  • Message 17

    , in reply to message 14.

    Posted by niclaramartin (U1621265) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    Nick

    You COULD NOT have linked to a better heading on a blog

    Provoking a reaction 

    BLOGSBLOGSBLOGSBLOGSBLOGS......

    YOU like blogs, we are in the MESSAGEBOARD area of BBC, please stop insulting us.

    Prof is looking for a messageboarding experience (because he is a messageboarder). Not a blogging experience.

    Can we please talk about the content of your blog and NOT your linking constantly to blogs, whilst you are on the MESSAGEBOARDS?

    Nick your attitude is becoming seriously worrying.

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  • Message 18

    , in reply to message 17.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    I'd be delighted to talk about the content of the blog.

    Why not leave a comment on it?

    Here's the link again:

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

  • Message 19

    , in reply to message 18.

    Posted by Professor Techno (U3287342) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    NICK you are seriousy ANNOYING people why are you so dead against messageboards and where are the statistics you were going to publish to prove BLOGS are so great?

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  • Message 20

    , in reply to message 18.

    Posted by niclaramartin (U1621265) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    Whilst you are HERE and NOT on the thread below, could you answer the question I asked there.

    On messageboards we are NOT allowed to swear or link to sites where there is offensive/swearing/blaspheming/inciting comments, and YET, ONE click from BBC staff Twitter (in THIS case TOM's but on LOTS of other staff Twitters), you come into direct contact with ............ comments which would have you banished from BBC messageboards.

    twitter.com/tomVS...


    ONE click, and BBC is outwith THEIR guidelines, (at least for MESSAGEBOARDERS).

    "sicross" and then scroll down to the expletives from Four Weddings, click and you are into a swearing competition.

    Any moderation of BBC Staff Twitters, or is that reserved for US.

    Comments appreciated Nick.

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  • Message 21

    , in reply to message 20.

    Posted by niclaramartin (U1621265) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    From niclaramartin @ 2.15 Saturday 24th Jan.

    My posting above was made at 2.14, and I'll be interested IF it stays or if I am contravening BBC rules. Whilst Tom's Twitter from which I linked is still visible to everyone, including children (which is the reason we on the messageboards are given for removal of such links on messageboards)

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    "Bloody" is not a particularly strong swearword.

    This is Tom's personal twitter, not a BBC site or a BBC twitter.

    We do have guidelines about BBC people's personal use of social media, but I don't think this example is a problem.

    Can we talk about the blog post now? Here's the link again:

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

  • Message 23

    , in reply to message 21.

    Posted by niclaramartin (U1621265) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    From my posting on Nippie's thread on Television

    It seemed to be swinging along reasonably until........ 


    One idea which seemed to go down well was for a community editor or manager in Vision to act as the host for the board and to possibly be in charge of a blog about television.

    The blog could be for when BBC people want to talk about their TV work in a more structured way while the POV message boards could be continue to be the place where licence fee payers started threads about BBC television.
     


    Nick, you really JUST can't help yourself can you!!!!! You are obsessed with blogging.

    We would prefer for someone from BBC to talk to us ON THE MESSAGEBOARDS, NOT, on a BLOG.

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  • Message 24

    , in reply to message 22.

    Posted by Professor Techno (U3287342) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    Nick you already have got more posts on this thread in the last half hour or so then you did on the POV Blog 4 which was published weeks back!!

    DOES THAT NOT TELL YOU ANYTHING!!

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  • Message 25

    , in reply to message 22.

    Posted by niclaramartin (U1621265) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    Not "bloody" Nick

    Follow the instructions I GAVE you.

    Open Tom's Twitter, scroll to "sicross", then scroll down to the expletives used in Four Weddings and a Funeral, and open, then you will find a swearing competition.

    I, actually typed the expletives, and MY messageboard posting was refused as "contains swear words".

    It may BE Tom's personal Twitter, but it is linked FROM BBC.

    As I say, confirms my impressions of quality of postings to Twitter, and the fact that BBC staff WILL allow these people onto their Twitter.

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  • Message 26

    , in reply to message 25.

    Posted by Professor Techno (U3287342) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    Nothing personal Nick but i think you are a WUM with an ATTITUDE that seriuly stinks. This i am right and you are wrong attitude you have is doing nothing to improve relations between the BBC and the MESSAGEBOARDING community.

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  • Message 27

    , in reply to message 25.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    The strong language you are referring to is two clicks away so it's not a direct link to it from the board.

    Indeed you niclara (not the BBC) are leading people to the rude words!

    This all seems rather irrelevant to me.

    Can we talk about the content of the blog post please?

    Otherwise I might be tempted to close the thread if it continues to slide off topic.

  • Message 28

    , in reply to message 25.

    Posted by niclaramartin (U1621265) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    YOU treat "off" topic as the worst SIN imaginable, and YET, BBC staff are linking to contents, we wouldn't think of posting.

    Messageboards are moderated, BUT is anyone moderating the content of BBC staff Twitters. NOT from what I've been reading.

    WHY are messageboarders treated as not being responsible, or likely to behave as little children, whilst at the SAME time BBC staff "accept" content on THEIR twitter which WE messageboarders would refer to the moderators?

    ONE rule for US and ONE rule for BBC staff.

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  • Message 29

    , in reply to message 28.

    Posted by niclaramartin (U1621265) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    Nick

    Are YOU honestly saying to me that I am responsible for the contents of Tom's Twitter. I am highlighting THIS problem to you. It is up to you what you do about it.

    BUT, what I am saying is that WE messageboarders are NOT allowed to link to sites outwith BBC unless accepted by moderators (and that includes two, three, four clicks from the ORIGINAL link).

    I'm keeping on topic, because I am trying to get you to see, that by taking messageboarders from messageboards (where we are strictly controlled and understand OUR rules), you are taking us to blogs and by extension Twitter and Flickr (where we find far more flexible rules - especially if you are an employee of BBC).

    YOU are taking us from the messageboards where we in our ignorance thought EVERYONE on BBC media outlet had to abide by the same rules. DO we have to read rules for each area of the BBC site?

    I've seen far more offensive comments on BBC blogs/Twitter than I have EVER seen on BBC messageboards.

    PLEASE can we keep our ignorance of blogs/Twitters and be allowed to stay on the messageboards.

    I thought YOUR latest blog was going very well, actually, UNTIL you mentioned a blog by the Editor/Manager for messageboarders. smiley - doh

    We REALLY DO have to address THIS problem of you wanting us to go over to blogs and Twitters, and US NOT wanting to leave the Messageboards.

    AS I say, by taking us to the blogs and Twitters we are seeing content, which WE would not be allowed, and this simply re-enforces the BLOGGERS/Twitters versus messageboards which you SAY you are NOT doing (but in actual fact ARE - because YOU like blogging).

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  • Message 30

    , in reply to message 28.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    The BBC has guidelines on BBC staff's personal use of social media.

    There's no problem with the link you've put in.

    So there's no double standard.

    Can we get back on topic please?

  • Message 31

    , in reply to message 30.

    Posted by niclaramartin (U1621265) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    OK Nick

    Thank you for highlighting that. ARE WE messageboarders NOW allowed more flexibility about linking to sites outwith BBC? As YOU are IN CHARGE of our Messageboards, and obviously see nothing wrong with Tom's Twitter links.

    As I say, the mods keep an eye on where the links are going, and close any posting containing a link which would take you to a link which would take you to a link which contained offensive/inciteful/blasphemous material.

    I, and lots of messageboarders have had inoffensive links removed, BECAUSE further down the linkage it takes you to material BBC is uneasy with.

    I quite liked some of the contents of your latest blog, (need more time to think about it) BUT, really, you have to address this barrier you are putting up between yourself (a blogger) and YOUR messageboard community.

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  • Message 32

    , in reply to message 31.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    Tom's twitter is his personal twitter.

    I don't think he's really responsible for what other people who happen to be his friends on twitter say (the BBC isn't responsible for Tom's twitter friends either, unless they are BBC people), and in any case it's not a direct link from the message board.

    When you've thought a bit more perhaps you'd like to add a comment to the blog post?

    (signing off now for a bit)

  • Message 33

    , in reply to message 31.

    Posted by niclaramartin (U1621265) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    Nick

    Who is Helen from POV? Is she a member of POV Production team? We know who you are, who Roo is, but no idea who Helen is.

    Is Tom going to feedback information soon?

    Please thank Rowan for her input to the meeting.

    How recently did the running of the boards change, and now that it is a new facilitator, is it still BBC run? Is it being run by Points of View television programme staff, or BBC Television!!!!? Just, WHO, exactly is running the POV messageboards? I like to know who is in charge of things.

    I'll post in a wee while once I've thought of a few more questions.

    Thanks
    nic

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  • Message 34

    , in reply to message 33.

    Posted by niclaramartin (U1621265) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    OK, so BBC staff are more lax about WHO and WHAT they will allow on THEIR Twitter, than BBC are, about the standard of content of THEIR messageboards from the general public/viewers.

    Nice to know that BBC staff have such lovely friends and contacts.

    As I say, Twitter is purile rubbish, and until someone cleans up/improves the quality/turns it into an acceptable newsgathering vehicle, it IS the BBC's Emperor's New Clothes.

    Thank you Nick.

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  • Message 35

    , in reply to message 33.

    Posted by niclaramartin (U1621265) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    Sorry,

    In my posting asking WHO is NOW hosting POV Messageboards I forgot to post the quote from YOUR link to your previous blog...

    I agreed with BBC Vision that they would host the TV board (and in due course Rowan started hosting that board). Jem Stone of Audio & Music agreed to host the Radio board. 

    At the time of your previous blog, you were saying that BBC Vision would be hosting the TV board, BUT, now you are saying Up until recently they have been run and hosted by the BBC's Future Media division not by television (even though Points of View is a television programme primarily about BBC television).  

    and

    I was pleased that that everyone in the meeting seemed to agree that the solution was that BBC Vision (the television bit of the BBC) should try to take on responsibility for hosting the POV boards and managing the community there. 

    YOU may know ALL the different depts within BBC but as viewers we DON'T.

    EXACTLY who is running the POV messageboards - a wee bit more details please, as it would be nice to know WHO is responsible for OUR messageboards?

    manager in Vision to act as the host for the board and to possibly be in charge of a blog about television. 

    YES to the first part and NO to the second part of the above quote.

    WHY does a Host of Messageboards ALSO have to write a blog (which messageboarders would be expected to go over to read). WE are TWO SEPARATE communities, so WHY do you constantly want us over to BLOGS?

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  • Message 36

    , in reply to message 35.

    Posted by niclaramartin (U1621265) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    encouraging them to respond and participate on both the blog and the boards 

    encouraging them   smiley - erm smiley - laugh smiley - laugh encouraging   . smiley - doh smiley - laugh

    participate on both the blog and the boards  smiley - laugh smiley - laugh smiley - laugh smiley - laugh smiley - laugh smiley - doh smiley - laugh smiley - doh smiley - laugh smiley - doh

    If a blog was set up it might contain posts about Points of View the programme when it's on air. 

    WHY!!!!!!!! There ALREADY is a place to post about Points of View programme - POV TELEVISION. I thought YOU didn't like MULTIPLE postings on MULTIPLE areas, and YET, this is exactly what is being suggested here. Start a blog on Points of View programme smiley - doh

    I said that if this happened the current POV boards should be refocused. The bbc.co.uk/Online, digital and radio boards could be closed down 

    Why CLOSED DOWN? Why NOT amalgamated into ONE board? Closing them seems a bit drastic.

    Are you keeping BBC messageboard?

    I repeated niclaramartin's view that the bbc.co.uk board (which we have just renamed "Online" in line with Seetha's recent announcement) was "moribund"  

    I don't think I ever used the word "moribund" about bbc.co.uk(could you link please).

    that the bbc.co.uk board   in my work as editor of the BBC Internet blog wasn't really worth the effort I was putting in to hosting it.  

    SO, now you are NOT going to be HOSTING bbc.co.uk/Digital. Eactly WHICH BBC messageboards WILL you be HOSTING now? As you don't go onto Television and Radio, and you are getting rid of bbc.co.uk/Digital and Radio (and possibly BBC messageboard smiley - erm I'm not seeing WHERE you are going to host on the messageboards.

    Are you going to be Editor Internet Blogs and IN CHARGE of the remaining POV messageboards (but not set foot in them)? And, will that effectively mean that you are NO LONGER "IN CHARGE" of BBC POV messageboards? And if that is so, WHO is IN CHARGE of POV messageboards? It DOESN'T make sense (to anyone I think) to have an Editor of Internet BLOGS overseeing POV Messageboards IF he is NOT hosting/setting foot in them.

    Or is your opinion of the POV messageboards, that it simply....

    wasn't really worth the effort  

    WELL, I think we can ALL agree, that from your input SO FAR, we all realised that you felt POV messageboards weren't really worth the effort   smiley - erm

    Blogging on the other hand is where your heart lies...

    I think people felt that the idea of a communities editor in television was well worth pursuing  smiley - ok IF they are going to communicate with us ON THE MESSAGEBOARDS.



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  • Message 37

    , in reply to message 26.

    Posted by niclaramartin (U1621265) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    Prof

    Nothing personal Nick but i think you are a WUM 

    I've already said this to Nick, BUT, he doesn't understand/want to know what he is doing which makes him a WUM.

    I've suggested that he speak to Rowan or someone else in BBC who is au fait with messageboarding etiquette to see what he is doing wrong in his communicating with MESSAGEBOARDERS.

    He's IN CHARGE, so can SAY he is NOT a WUM (even though he doesn't seem to know what WUMMING is)

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  • Message 38

    , in reply to message 37.

    Posted by LoudGeoffW (U11943874) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    I have to say that some of Nick’s postings here this afternoon seem exceedingly provocative. And economical with the actualities, so to speak. Most radio stations of course, do not have specific forums designed to deal with listener feedback. Radio 2’s feedback forum was allegedly removed on the orders of Lesley Douglas. So any attempt to remove the radio boards from POV would of course take away all interactivity.

    The following statement is astonishing:

    “I repeated niclaramartin's view that the bbc.co.uk board ….was "moribund" and in my work as editor of the BBC Internet blog wasn't really worth the effort I was putting in to hosting it.”

    Now I don’t ever recall reading that phrase, casual poster that I am here, and hadn’t especially noticed Nick putting any effort into hosting this board in the first place, other than to direct people to his blogs. If you don’t like hosting the boards, find someone else to do it.

    And BLOGS, missives from above by people with an inflated sense of self worth half the time. Twitters are just an extension of that for self obsessed media types who think the whole world is interested in what colour toothpaste they use in the mornings. Sheesh, get a grasp of the realities of life. Most people want to chat, not to be talked down to.


    PS Nick, where’s Jem. Or is that hush, hush BlackOps?

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  • Message 39

    , in reply to message 37.

    Posted by OfficerDibble (U1158251) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    I presume this is the appropriate thread for responding to Nick's Meeting Summary (from the all the blogs and all the multiple threads on the POV board - is multiple threads a little naughty Nick?)


    It seems to make perfect sense for Vision to host -especially as Future Media (or whatever) has no affinity with its audience -just like the nasty great aunty has adopted the children. Whether Vision want it is the big question. Why weren't they invited? Vision is a big department...the POV programme? -probably too big a project for them, especially as they are a tadpole of programmes.

    .co.uk is marginal...who cares?

    Blog away if you want -we want be there.

    In summary, all of this is inconsequential until the technical issues of the design are solved. Then you will get a managebale board, and if hosting is done properly by people who engage properly (like Rowan) there will be less moaning at people who don't (like Nick).

    Get a proper dialogue with programme makers and then you will revolutionise the boards. That comes from programme makers owning their MB section, maybe issuing subscribed Twitters, blogs etc. - then you will get loyalty and allegiance.

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  • Message 40

    , in reply to message 38.

    Posted by niclaramartin (U1621265) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    Geoff

    What I find unacceptable is the DIFFERENT attitudes which Nick and BBC take to their DIFFERENT communities.

    On Messageboards we are herded/ushered/dictated to/policed strongly when going "off" topic/moderated strongly/have links removed if not what BBC find acceptable.

    YET, if you frequent blogs, stronger language IS acceptable, I haven't seen ANY links TO messageboards (Nick is constantly linking US to blogs, but where are ALL the blogs linked TO messageboards) and blogs link to other blogs/Twitter which ARE (according to Nick) allowed to contain links to offensive material.

    It is the unequalness of the whole experience of commenting to BBC. AND the fact that Nick, JUST DOES NOT GET IT.

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  • Message 41

    , in reply to message 40.

    Posted by niclaramartin (U1621265) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    Rowan is a step in the right direction,smiley - ok but ONE host, is not going to make POV messageboards what WE messageboarders want.

    We NEED genuine input FROM Heads of Depts/Editors/Producers/Directors etc ON THE MESSAGEBOARDS, and to use the offensive excuse, that we will attack them, is just that, - OFFENSIVE to BBC viewers/messageboarders.

    Treat us as equal to bloggers, and set up a sub-board (POV Production Team did it before - just they made a mess of it). THEN Heads of Dept/Directors/Editors/BBC staff could talk to US on the messageboards.

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  • Message 42

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    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    "On Messageboards we are herded/ushered/dictated to/policed strongly when going "off" topic/moderated strongly/have links removed if not what BBC find acceptable.

    YET, if you frequent blogs, stronger language IS acceptable,..."

    I'd like to see some evidence for this statement. Strong language is not more acceptable on a BBC blog than on a BBC message board.

    If you had a good host from BBC Television they could encourage TV people to talk to you on the boards.

  • Message 43

    , in reply to message 42.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    "SO, now you are NOT going to be HOSTING bbc.co.uk/Digital. Eactly WHICH BBC messageboards WILL you be HOSTING now? As you don't go onto Television and Radio, and you are getting rid of bbc.co.uk/Digital and Radio (and possibly BBC messageboard I'm not seeing WHERE you are going to host on the messageboards"

    These are just ideas at the moment Niclara, but I wouldn't be hosting any of the boards if they happened. Although I might take a passing interest in the BBC board.

  • Message 44

    , in reply to message 43.

    Posted by niclaramartin (U1621265) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    These are just ideas at the moment Niclara, but I wouldn't be hosting any of the boards if they happened 

    IF you are NOT hosting ANY of the boards (if the plans come to fruition), will you still be IN CHARGE of the POV Messageboards?

    Although I might take a passing interest in the BBC board. 

    passing interest  

    Seems to sum up YOUR interest in OUR messageboards TO DATE.

    IF you have such little interest in OUR beloved messageboards, why are you bothering?

    Will it make your CV look better?

    What BBC POV messageboards have needed for years, is for someone with a LOVE of messageboarding to come in and IMPROVE them. NOT someone with a passing interest   to try to convince us that blogs are better and where messageboarders SHOULD be.

    YOU REALLY JUST DO NOT GET IT, DO YOU NICK.

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  • Message 45

    , in reply to message 44.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    I am bothering because I am trying to improve the POV boards. I think that the ideas in the blog post may do that.

    The key point is that the boards will only get better if there is more engagement from the BBC.

    But it has to be the right bit of the BBC. And the right bit of the board.

    There is a difference between "being in charge of" the boards and being a host. I'm currently a host but the bits I host aren't very good.

  • Message 46

    , in reply to message 45.

    Posted by Hymagumba (U181701) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    I'm going to repost this on here as I suspect people who frequent the boards will for their own reasons refuse to read comments on the blog. No doubt I shall be attacked for being a blog fan or a NickApologist or something but I'll post it anyhow smiley - smiley

    ---

    I've been interested in this topic, especially the reactions on the message boards themselves.

    I normally stay away from the BBC boards as I find their interface ghastly but its interesting to note just how moany those on the boards are. You dare to want to get their questions answered better but they're not happy, it appears a number of them just like to outpour nonsense onto that board and want left alone to do so.

    I'd agree with moving the TV board to vision and moving the radio board over to a radio site (I did love how they didn't seem to understand that its possible to make a new board to cater for them over there).

    What is different however is what to do about online. Whilst I think this blog is one of the better ones, partly due to the interesting stuff posts, it's both aimed at perhaps a more technical audience than the board and doesn't allow them to have a moan in the same way.

    Perhaps a better idea might be to split the blogs in two, moving what is the bulk of this board to a "bbc internet technical" board and having a "bbc internet feedback" board that allows both mods to start topics but has a weekly/daily "what's on your mind" post where replies about the board are dealt with directly by people in the know. I think that kind of accountability and feedback would be better both in the structured sense (as in, not just a big whingefest like pov) and show that there is chat going on.

    Meanwhile those of us who like to know about barlesq and technical nonsense can keep out of their way smiley - smiley

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    Posted by Professor Techno (U3287342) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    it appears a number of them just like to outpour nonsense onto that board and want left alone to do so  

    Care to give us some examples of this "nonsense" or do you just like shouting your mouth off?

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  • Message 48

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    Posted by LoudGeoffW (U11943874) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    I think anyone with half a brain can see where this is going. To quote Nick:

    'I said that if this happened the current POV boards should be refocused. The bbc.co.uk/Online, digital and radio boards could be closed down.'

    'Just to reassure people reading this that no one in the meeting suggested that the POV boards should be closed down'

    No just, hacked down to a TV only section. It's the new business terms, isn't it - 'improve' or 'refocus' when actually you're shedding staff or facilities left, right and centre.

    Can he please find links to specific station feedback (not general music, chat etc) discussion boards for Radio 1, 1Xtra, Radio 2, Radio 7, Asian Network etc etc. Because I can't find them at all. And 5Live. Well, there discussions about Sport, UK and world news, but funnily enough, nothing specifically about the station itself.

    It's bad enough that they choose to make the messageboards pretty much invisible to any casual browser of the website, let alone to attempt to marginalise criticism to little station ghettos.

    In fact, here's something for the mental microwave - create a one-stop Feedback messageboard, not tied to a specific POV program that encompassed all aspects of the BBC, from funding to external production, to regional, to programme content. And link to it, clearly and viusibly from the BBC Homepage. Because we pay your salaries, and we would occasionally like to tell you some stuff we are thinking about. And not have to just listen to your innermost thoughts for the day, on blogs or twitter, or whatever is the talking point in media circles these days.




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  • Message 49

    , in reply to message 47.

    Posted by Professor Techno (U3287342) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    I am bothering because I am trying to improve the POV boards. I think that the ideas in the blog post may do that. 

    What about our ideas and thoughts the BBC seem to be closing more and more messageboards even though ALOT of people enjoy and actvely take part on the boards.

    As apposed to blogs where you are limited as to what you can talk about and the BBC can in effect CONTROL what is being said.

    Dont get me wrong BLOGS are good to an extent i regulary use the Sports Editors BLOG but that is because there are no other ways to communicate with Senior Sport people.


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    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Saturday, 24th January 2009

    "In fact, here's something for the mental microwave - create a one-stop Feedback messageboard, not tied to a specific POV program that encompassed all aspects of the BBC, from funding to external production, to regional, to programme content."

    This would probably be too big and unweildy and without a link to a specific programme might not work.

    There is already a POV board called "The BBC" - but there's not much activity on it.

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