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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by pyanaman (U2905997) on Sunday, 29th September 2013

    We all know that the DM takes a swipe at the BBC almost daily, but now it's getting more than funny AND more than irritating.
    Today they did a piece that more or less told people that you don't need a TV licence as the detector vans are a con, and you will never get caught. Then came the usual comments from the numpties that read the paper:- "it makes me sick...." "The BBC should be privatised" "I never watch BBC (except for Strictly!) et al. I hasten to add that I only browse it on line, principally because it's so extremely funny, but when the DM start virtually encouraging people to break the law isn't it time for the BBC to do something about it? Aren't the DM breaking the law? All they are doing is means either our licence will get dearer or there will be less pennies to pay for our programmes.

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    Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Sunday, 29th September 2013

    We all know that the DM takes a swipe at the BBC almost daily, but now it's getting more than funny AND more than irritating.
    Today they did a piece that more or less told people that you don't need a TV licence as the detector vans are a con, and you will never get caught. Then came the usual comments from the numpties that read the paper:- "it makes me sick...." "The BBC should be privatised" "I never watch BBC (except for Strictly!) et al. I hasten to add that I only browse it on line, principally because it's so extremely funny, but when the DM start virtually encouraging people to break the law isn't it time for the BBC to do something about it? Aren't the DM breaking the law? All they are doing is means either our licence will get dearer or there will be less pennies to pay for our programmes. 
    Report that right-wing rag to the police for encouraging law breaking...simple as...

    Look, the only reason The Daily Wail and other right-wing outlets bang on about our public services (of which the BBC is a great example) is because it is all political. They think that they would be able to advance their cause if there was no BBC. They also see it from a commercial perspective. If there was no BBC, they believe that they would be better off. That's all there is to it. What the numptees at the Mail (and other similar outlets) don't realize is that the BBC is hugely popular and valued by the masses...something which they (the Mail) will never achieve.

    As for the 'why should I contribute to something I don't use' brigade...well it is just a yawn really. So dull and boring. Just because someone doesn't use a public service doesn't mean that they shouldn't contribute to it. It is called contributing to wider society for the greater good.

    The agenda of the 'right' in this country needs to be exposed. The bottom line is, they want to destroy any opposition to them so that they can remain in power forever. Scary thought ay.

    Give me strong and powerful public services over the greedy private sector any day of the week.

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    Posted by Franky (U13761133) on Sunday, 29th September 2013

    The detector vans ARE a con - its a myth - a fable

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    Posted by Testcard (U1164920) on Sunday, 29th September 2013

    Things we've learned today:
    Daily Mail readers are numpties.
    The OP reads the Daily Mail, yet astonishingly is not a numpty.

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    Posted by pyanaman (U2905997) on Sunday, 29th September 2013

    Things we've learned today:
    Daily Mail readers are numpties.
    The OP reads the Daily Mail, yet astonishingly is not a numpty. 
    No, I DON'T read the Daily Mail. It doesn't have 'readers comments' with the articles. However, I DO browse it (for free) on the internet while my computer is redrawing an image in my publishing programme. It's a laugh. So many real boneheads. The only time it STOPS being funny is when they keep on about the BBC. I haven't taken ANY newspaper for over 30 years. And I guarantee that if you read the readers comments, you'll think they're numpties too!

    PAY for the DM? You MUST be joking!

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    Posted by pyanaman (U2905997) on Monday, 30th September 2013

    Things we've learned today:
    Daily Mail readers are numpties.
    The OP reads the Daily Mail, yet astonishingly is not a numpty. 
    Doh! That will teach me to put my brain in gear before I write! Of course, it was the people that add their COMMENTS that are the numpties, not the readers. If they want to waste their money buying it that's up to them; it's no worse than any of the other popular papers. But you've got to agree that the comments are usually hilarious. But with the Mail's consistent sniping at the Beeb, and misinformation about who does and doesn't need a licence, where the licence fee actually goes, and what services the Beeb provide is just stoking the anti BBC fire. It would be nice if the BBC could find more ways of educating the people about all the things they offer. For instance, would a commercial station provide programmes for Scotland's Gaelic speakers? S4C (a commercial station) is rightly subsidised from the licence fee. There is the OU, and the Parliament channel and a host of great internet sites.
    Surely the BBC could blow it's own trumpet a little bit louder to let people know just how much is on offer. This might at least make the DM a little less vitriolic.

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    Posted by pyanaman (U2905997) on Monday, 30th September 2013

    I'm very perplexed. I praise the BBC to high heaven and question the disgusting, biased way the Daily Mail deal with the Beeb. I simply want to know if there is any way the BBC can retaliate and let the public realise just what great services are on offer - AND I'M MY TOLD MY POST IS BEING REMOVED! Huh? Perhaps I shouldn't be so concerned. smiley - sadface

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Monday, 30th September 2013

    Do you realise that your post was only removed, because you accidentally started the same discussion twice?

    There was no problem with the content, just the duplication. smiley - smiley

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by puppydogeyes (U14659366) on Monday, 30th September 2013

    Did you not notice you posted the same topic twice?smiley - whistle

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Monday, 30th September 2013

    It's catching! smiley - laugh

    We posted at the same time! smiley - smiley

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by The Magnificent St Mad Hairy Chested Hunk (U14314874) on Monday, 30th September 2013

    "is because it is all political."

    They also see a profit for their owners

    "DMG Broadcasting owns a number of media companies and is the subsidiary of DMGT that controls its British radio, television, film and interactive areas."

    get rid of the competition so to make greater profit is the ultimate goal. Then Manipulate the politics further to enhance their profits.

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by susie-summershere (U10941938) on Monday, 30th September 2013

    They would also remove any political opposition, re: the other thing they bsng on about BBC lefties

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    Posted by pyanaman (U2905997) on Monday, 30th September 2013

    They would also remove any political opposition, re: the other thing they bsng on about BBC lefties  But why don't the BBC fight back? Why don't they make a concerted attack letting the public know what they actually get - that all the licence money doesn't go to the BBC; that Ch4 is subsidised; that S4C is subsidised; that the BBC run a service in Gaelic for the Highlands and Islands, the OU, CBBC, all the internet services, the World Service et al. God, this is preaching to the converted!
    Yes, they screwed up over salaries and pay-offs, but that doesn't mean they have to lie down and take the Daily Mail's non-stop tirade.

    Living in the country my download speed is only 2.5Mb so when I am waiting for artwork to download I have time to read the 'comments' in the DM. The Beeb comments annoy me so much that I send my own comment berating and ridiculing the DM and praising the BBC. OK, I know it does no good but it makes me feel better! Sometimes they even include them! At least it can't do any harm, so perhaps a load of us should do the same? smiley - smiley

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    Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Tuesday, 1st October 2013

    I'm very perplexed. I praise the BBC to high heaven and question the disgusting, biased way the Daily Mail deal with the Beeb. I simply want to know if there is any way the BBC can retaliate and let the public realise just what great services are on offer - AND I'M MY TOLD MY POST IS BEING REMOVED! Huh? Perhaps I shouldn't be so concerned. smiley - sadface  I want to see a confident BBC aggressively defending itself against the nasty right-wingers in this country.

    Come on BBC...stand up for yourself. The nation is behind you.

    PS Does the mail really think people are going to subscribe to their right-wing propaganda if there was no BBC? Well all know the answer to that don't we.

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Tuesday, 1st October 2013

    "is because it is all political."

    They also see a profit for their owners

    "DMG Broadcasting owns a number of media companies and is the subsidiary of DMGT that controls its British radio, television, film and interactive areas."

    get rid of the competition so to make greater profit is the ultimate goal. Then Manipulate the politics further to enhance their profits. 
    Absolutely right. It is all about gaining power and sustaining power. These private conglomerates need bringing down.

    You also forgot to mention (so I will draw attention to it) that Paul Daker and his pals at the mail have a 20% stake in ITN. Which channels do ITN provide news for? I will start us off...ITV...

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by pyanaman (U2905997) on Tuesday, 1st October 2013

    "is because it is all political."

    They also see a profit for their owners

    "DMG Broadcasting owns a number of media companies and is the subsidiary of DMGT that controls its British radio, television, film and interactive areas."

    get rid of the competition so to make greater profit is the ultimate goal. Then Manipulate the politics further to enhance their profits. 
    Absolutely right. It is all about gaining power and sustaining power. These private conglomerates need bringing down.

    You also forgot to mention (so I will draw attention to it) that Paul Daker and his pals at the mail have a 20% stake in ITN. Which channels do ITN provide news for? I will start us off...ITV... 
    I know the ownership has changed, but I was born in 1936. At that time the Daily Mail was a friend of Hitler, Mussolini, and Oswald Mosley. They should not be allowed to forget that.

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by Ceiderduck (U14588518) on Wednesday, 2nd October 2013

    I read this excellent piece by Stephen Fry last night:

    stephen-fry-me.tumbl...

    smiley - applause

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Wednesday, 2nd October 2013

    I read this excellent piece by Stephen Fry last night:

    stephen-fry-me.tumbl...

    smiley - applause 
    I am not a particular fan of Stephen Fry...but his take on The Mail and Daker I agree with. The Mail represents everything that is wrong with this country.

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by Quizzimodo (U551071) on Wednesday, 2nd October 2013

    The detector vans ARE a con - its a myth - a fable  Always have been.

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by ashleyhr (U14203741) on Wednesday, 2nd October 2013

    Dacre.

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by old git now over 70 (U14213449) on Thursday, 3rd October 2013

    I was only born in 1943 so I do not remember what the Mail said before the late 50's ,but I have seen History programmes about the 20's & 30's when the owner of the Mail Lord Northcliffe thought he ran the conservative party .as for the BBC then Lord Reith I am sure would have brooked no nonsense then.
    I saw a Joke about the subject of control " the P.M. was going to resign, so Northcliffe sent for the King."

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by Bananas are the best (U15650112) on Friday, 4th October 2013

    I know the ownership has changed, but I was born in 1936. At that time the Daily Mail was a friend of Hitler, Mussolini, and Oswald Mosley. They should not be allowed to forget that. 
    So was Lord (at the time, just John) Reith:

    www.spartacus.school...

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by Drsdaughter (U12521046) on Friday, 4th October 2013

    I don't read "The Daily Mail" and I don't read the BBC's favoured rag "The Guardian"". What these papers have in common is sliding revenue. Both are losing tens of millions of pounds of revenue. They represent the extremes of the spectrum of public opinion. I hate Europhiles from the bottom of my heart. They are the genuine traitors and the BBC broadcasts their propaganda without question. They broadcast programmes on BBC 2 which even have the label "Eurovision" after them. I am sickened by the hypocricy of the BBC's NCA department but when I think of Europhiles , I regard them as a toxic combination of Cybermen- "You will be assimilated", Daleks "You will obey " and Silents manipulating our lives unseen and unaccountable. "Dr Who" has imaginary enemies but the Eurorobots are real and are destroying the culture of the natives of all the subjugated countries in Europe. Foul does not cover the situation.

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by banjax (U14499510) on Friday, 4th October 2013

    I’m unclear Drsdaughter as to the focus of your message. Have you any evidence? I was not aware that The Guardian is the BBC’s favoured newspaper. Are you sure? They review all the papers on the News Channel, Breakfast, The AM Show et al., and I’ve never felt that The Guardian receives particular prominence. The Dr Who reference is intriguing and I wonder if your post would be better placed here:
    www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

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    Posted by The Magnificent St Mad Hairy Chested Hunk (U14314874) on Friday, 4th October 2013

    A good read, thank you sparrow.

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by puppydogeyes (U14659366) on Friday, 4th October 2013

    Not sure if it can be classed as the BBC's favourite newspaper-again how can an broadcasting unit made up of individuals have a favourite anything??-it is a puzzling view.

    However -according to this the BBC buys more of the Guardian than any other newspaper

    www.thecommentator.c...

    -though with circulations decreasing and more newspaper content on line -does it prove anything? -make of it what you will -people seem to have fixed views

    But what any of this has to do with the licence fee and the Daily Mail ?? smiley - whistle

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by Joe Black (U10382673) on Friday, 4th October 2013

    I know the ownership has changed, but I was born in 1936. At that time the Daily Mail was a friend of Hitler, Mussolini, and Oswald Mosley. They should not be allowed to forget that. 
    So was Lord (at the time, just John) Reith:

    www.spartacus.school... 
    That is Probably why the BBC does not mention Lord Reith & the 1930s mail owner in the same sentencesmiley - winkeye

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by Joe Black (U10382673) on Saturday, 5th October 2013

    Yes more revealed about the BBC tactics over many years published today:
    www.dailymail.co.uk/...headlines

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by Bananas are the best (U15650112) on Saturday, 5th October 2013

    But, at least the BBC did not go around extolling the virtues of a genocidal maniac. Lord Reith could not use it as a tool for Nazi propaganda.

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by geriatricpete (U13864902) on Saturday, 5th October 2013

    They would also remove any political opposition, re: the other thing they bsng on about BBC lefties  But why don't the BBC fight back? Why don't they make a concerted attack letting the public know what they actually get - that all the licence money doesn't go to the BBC; that Ch4 is subsidised; that S4C is subsidised; that the BBC run a service in Gaelic for the Highlands and Islands, the OU, CBBC, all the internet services, the World Service et al. God, this is preaching to the converted!
    Yes, they screwed up over salaries and pay-offs, but that doesn't mean they have to lie down and take the Daily Mail's non-stop tirade.

    Living in the country my download speed is only 2.5Mb so when I am waiting for artwork to download I have time to read the 'comments' in the DM. The Beeb comments annoy me so much that I send my own comment berating and ridiculing the DM and praising the BBC. OK, I know it does no good but it makes me feel better! Sometimes they even include them! At least it can't do any harm, so perhaps a load of us should do the same? smiley - smiley 
    Channel 4 subsidised by the BBC. I think not. The following statement appears on the Channel 4 Corporate website:

    'Unlike the BBC Channel 4 receives no public funding, It is funded entirely by its own commercial activities'.

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by susie-summershere (U10941938) on Saturday, 5th October 2013

    Yes more revealed about the BBC tactics over many years published today:
    www.dailymail.co.uk/...headlines 
    Typical of the discredited DM and Dacre to attack the BBC after the week they've had, noticed Dacre toady Quentin Letts on QT having a dig at every opportunity. My message is Daily Wail 65p per day, licence fee 40p per day which is value for money? Simples

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    Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Saturday, 5th October 2013

    Yes more revealed about the BBC tactics over many years published today:
    www.dailymail.co.uk/...headlines 
    Typical of the discredited DM and Dacre to attack the BBC after the week they've had, noticed Dacre toady Quentin Letts on QT having a dig at every opportunity. My message is Daily Wail 65p per day, licence fee 40p per day which is value for money? Simples 
    Absolutely right. I will go further...it is high time that the nasty, vile right-wing press in this country were brought down a peg or two. They don't represent mainstream opinion at all.

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    Posted by puppydogeyes (U14659366) on Saturday, 5th October 2013

    The Daily Mail sells 2 million copies a day and its website is one of the most popular and most read in the world.

    It appeals to a certain number of people -that should be remembered.

    No one can say with any certainty what opinion they represent unless you know everyone's opinion surely?

    We have a free press -we may not like any of what they have to say but we must respect their right to say it and if it is proved incorrect then there are means in place for retribution.

    So just calm down and carry on is my way of looking at it

    The debate is about the relationship about one paper and the BBC isn't it?

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    Posted by susie-summershere (U10941938) on Saturday, 5th October 2013

    Yes it is about the relationship which is that Dacre and the Mail hate the BBC and assume that all their readers feel the same which is arrogant and dictatorial.

    Some of the Mail content is good but the editorial nastiness is at times beyond the pail.

    I am sure if a poll was taken of the readers the majority wold be fed up of the daily anti BBC stories most of them complaints about programmes picked up from BBC web sites

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    Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Saturday, 5th October 2013

    Yes it is about the relationship which is that Dacre and the Mail hate the BBC and assume that all their readers feel the same which is arrogant and dictatorial.

    Some of the Mail content is good but the editorial nastiness is at times beyond the pail.

    I am sure if a poll was taken of the readers the majority wold be fed up of the daily anti BBC stories most of them complaints about programmes picked up from BBC web sites 
    I would suggest that the Daily Mail readers agree with it's content otherwise why would they read it.

    The Daily Mail are anti the BBC and as a result I have no time for the Daily Mail whatsoever. The agenda of the Daily Mail is there for all to see.

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    Posted by Bananas are the best (U15650112) on Saturday, 5th October 2013

    But, which content interests them? The 'celebrity' gossip, or the 'hard news'/'editorial content'.? Remember that to the Daily Mail, it sometimes appears that the only way is Essex, or Sharon Osbourne, or this celebrity, or that wearing clothes that match the colour of her car.

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    Posted by pyanaman (U2905997) on Saturday, 5th October 2013

    The Mail today upped the anti and were encouraging their readers to break the law and not to get a TV license. Surely incitement itself is breaking the law, isn't it?

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    Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Saturday, 5th October 2013

    The Mail today upped the anti and were encouraging their readers to break the law and not to get a TV license. Surely incitement itself is breaking the law, isn't it?  Absolutely right.

    I see The Sunday Times are running an anti BBC story tomorrow. Let's remind ourselves...who are they bank rolled by...?

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    Posted by geriatricpete (U13864902) on Monday, 7th October 2013

    The Mail today upped the anti and were encouraging their readers to break the law and not to get a TV license. Surely incitement itself is breaking the law, isn't it?  Here we go again!..I have read the Mail article and there is nothing in it to incite people to break the law. It does'nt suggest that there is no need to buy a licence. It gives a history of the vans right back to the days when the Royal Mail were responsible for collecting the licence, which I found quite interesting.

    Anyway, let's get back to when the story first started. It was'nt started by the Mail. It first appeared in the Radio Times under the headline 'DO DETECTOR VANS EXIST? LEAKED DOCUMENTS SUGGESTS THEY COULD BE A RUSE'.

    The Mail and other papers picked up this story from the Radio Times and did their own investigations.

    The point is, is there anything in the Mail stories about this topic that you know is untrue? If so you should say so.

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