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Message 1.
Posted by dudebobski (U13914659) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Why?
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Message 2
Posted by Valdimar the Unending (U15551013) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
They want to know what viewers think about television programs.Because it is directly linked with, and is paid for out of the budget of the Points of View program which only deals with Television programs.
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Message 3
Posted by dudebobski (U13914659) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
But this board is headed "The BBC" and there is a separate board for "BBC Television Programmes".
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Message 4
Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
But this board is headed "The BBC" and there is a separate board for "BBC Television Programmes".
This was asked somewhere and answered yesterday-can't find it at the moment- is a concession-it is not a place where you can start topics on the subjects your mention -dems are the rules
Perhaps you should repost your question here?
www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...
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Message 5
Posted by dudebobski (U13914659) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Could I have that again in English?
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Message 6
Posted by DoverSoul (U14934992) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
There was an answer here yesterday.
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Message 7
Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Could I have that again in English? Eh??
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Message 8
Posted by DoverSoul (U14934992) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Basically, it's for feedback to the Points of View TV programme. The pay for it, so if they, the programme, aren't interested in radio, news, sport and current affairs, then that is why.
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Message 9
Posted by technologist (U1259929) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
and if you want to make any comments on BBC output you use the complaints site -www.bbc.co.uk/compla...
or you can contact the programmes which are like POV for Radio - Feedback (a whistledown production) www.bbc.co.uk//radio... and for News - Newswatch www.bbc.co.uk/progra...
As said this POV message board are used to gather information for POV ....
and for other BBC message Boards see the Graf report to DCMS news.bbc.co.uk/nol/s...
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Message 10
All this user's posts have been removed. Why?
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Message 11
Posted by Peta (U24) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
There was a response, but wasn't really explained how the 'BBC' board was a 'concession', or to whom? Why does the BBC want to know what people think about TV, but not care at all about radio? And does the POV programme really pay for this board, or is most of the cost coming out of the Online budget, which we're told has to be cut by 25%, leading to the closure of the Archers boards?
Won't we be told that there are more efficient ways of finding out what viewers think, when some manager decides, as with the Archers boards, that not enough people are using this one to justify its continued existence?
Hi Dead
This board is paid for out of the Points of View programme budget. I don't know which budget the Archers board is paid out of, because I don't work in that division.
Originally there was a topic here for TV, Radio, BBC online and general BBC.
A while back, when I wasn't hosting this board, the number of topics were reduced, to just TV and the BBC. I believe they were closed for budget reasons and there were - are still are - other routes for feedback to these areas.
At the time Radio were hosting their own boards. The radio division decided to close their radio message boards, because they cost too much to run. It wasn't felt to be appropriate for the Points of View team to re-open the radio boards here, because we're a *lot* smaller than the radio division; we couldn't afford to take on the cost of moderation and management of radio boards for them.
There are no plans to close the Points of View board. It's a very effective way of gathering comments to use in the Points of View programme. Generally the comments are taken from the TV programme topic, but sometimes they are also taken from the BBC topic, where wider TV issues are covered.
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Message 12
All this user's posts have been removed. Why?
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Message 13
This posting has been hidden during moderation because it broke the House Rules in some way.
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Message 14
Posted by DoverSoul (U14934992) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
You say you "know", I hope you have and will produce evidence to that effect average40.
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Message 15
Posted by Peta (U24) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
That's complete rubbish.
I *do* know, because I used to host the Radio 2 board and the 6 Music board.
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Message 16
Posted by Peta (U24) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
But why shouldn't it be just as effective in gathering views for the 'Feedback' programme?
And are you confirming that POV pays for the moderation as well, rather than BBC Online?
The feedback programme has its own budget and they can spend it how they chose.
POV and the TV division pay for the hosting and management of this board - BBC Online pay for the moderation.
(Post amended 21.3.13)
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Message 17
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Message 18
Posted by dudebobski (U13914659) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
But why shouldn't it be just as effective in gathering views for the 'Feedback' programme?
And are you confirming that POV pays for the moderation as well, rather than BBC Online?
The feedback programme has its own budget and they can spend it how they chose.
Yes, POV and the TV division pay for the moderation of this board.
I (with millions of other licence payers) actually pay for these boards and their moderation.
Either way, surely one can have a 'Point Of View' about a radio programme?
It's illogical to have one POV board titled 'BBC Television Programmes', and another POV board titled 'The BBC', where only TV programmes are supposed to be discussed.
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Message 19
Posted by Andy (U14048329) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
You say you "know", I hope you have and will produce evidence to that effect average40.
</quote>I can remember the Radio board. I don't remember any DJ getting alot of negative comments. In fact, several days at a time often went by with not a single new posting. Of course when it died due to lack of interest everyone started complaining about how they missed it.... -
Message 20
Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Seem to be missing the "point" here-these boards are linked to the TV programme-where radio is not discussed
This part of the board is more focussed on technical points like sound, on screen graphics just tv stuff in general as opposed to a specific tv programme
If it was closed-would that solved your problem?
And millions of people do not use this board to express there views it is probably in the low thousands if that -so the licence fee argument does not really come into play.
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Message 21
Posted by DoverSoul (U14934992) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
"Either way, surely one can have a 'Point Of View' about a radio programme?"
Yes, why not? You can contact any of the BBC Radio stations direct to give your point of view.
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Message 22
Posted by Valdimar the Unending (U15551013) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
I think that you can discuss announcements from and about the BBC Trust, and BBC Executive, particularly as they affect television. Looking through previous discussions, such things as background music, digital online graphics, production values, etc have all been discussed.
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Message 23
Posted by me_the_first (U1291324) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
I can remember the Radio board. I don't remember any DJ getting alot of negative comments. In fact, several days at a time often went by with not a single new posting. Of course when it died due to lack of interest everyone started complaining about how they missed it.... I thought there was a POV Radio MB which WAS sadly missed and got frequent use, but also a load of other boards and sub-boards for Radios 1,2, etc. Could be one of those was the place the bad comments were made.
My recollection is that the POV Radio was a useful place for generic radio discussions as well as specific programmes or personalities, and it seemed a shame to ditch when there was regular usage while so many of the other boards I mentioned (e.g. 1Extra which had 7 or 8 sub-boards covering separate music genres) were really the ones with no apparent interest.
I think, to be fair, things got out of control. Many boards became places to talk any subject and as a result, things could very quickly get out of hand. It must have cost a lot of money and been a nightmare to moderate. But all the same, a pity the Radio POV board went with the rest, though I can see why. -
Message 24
Posted by dudebobski (U13914659) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
"Either way, surely one can have a 'Point Of View' about a radio programme?"
Yes, why not? You can contact any of the BBC Radio stations direct to give your point of view.
Dover Soul - I know that I may contact any radio station, BBC or otherwise, to give my point of view. This is hardly the same as discussing a point of view with others.
If yours is an appropriate response regarding radio discussion, why is it not also equally applicable to TV?
I do understand that these two boards are linked to the POV TV pogramme (though both are effectively TV related boards). I'm simply puzzled as to why there is so much encouragement given to TV comment and there is nowhere at all on the BBC messageboards to discuss radio. Or rather, there will be nowhere when the Archers board disappears in a few days time.
And >please< don't mention the blogs...
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Message 25
Posted by Peta (U24) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
"Either way, surely one can have a 'Point Of View' about a radio programme?"
Yes, why not? You can contact any of the BBC Radio stations direct to give your point of view.
Dover Soul - I know that I may contact any radio station, BBC or otherwise, to give my point of view. This is hardly the same as discussing a point of view with others.
If yours is an appropriate response regarding radio discussion, why is it not also equally applicable to TV?
I do understand that these two boards are linked to the POV TV pogramme (though both are effectively TV related boards). I'm simply puzzled as to why there is so much encouragement given to TV comment and there is nowhere at all on the BBC messageboards to discuss radio. Or rather, there will be nowhere when the Archers board disappears in a few days time.
And >please< don't mention the blogs...
Can I suggest that you put the question to your own radio board host as she works within the radio division?
Or you could ask on one of the active radio blogs? They may not be wonderful for chat between posters (they're not built for that purpose) but they are effective in enabling people to share their views with the BBC and get feedback.
You might also put the question to radio 4 'feedback' - as that's the radio equivalent of the Points of View programme.
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Message 26
This posting has been hidden during moderation because it broke the House Rules in some way.
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Message 27
Posted by DoverSoul (U14934992) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
Evidence? A very senior person at the BBC told a friend of mine. I'm not going to name her on here, even though she has since left the corporation.
Then I'm afraid it's only second hand gossip or hearsay with no foundation at all and could even be considered libelous at a push.
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Message 28
Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
With the greatest respect that is not evidence in any shape or form and has the makings of a conspiracy theory
So unless you can name names-pure and utter speculation -
Message 29
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Message 30
Posted by Peta (U24) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
So a friend of a friend said so.
As I said earlier, I worked for Radio 2 at the time and was the host of the board.
The board was *definitely not* shut down for the reason you suggest, so your alleged friend of a friend is talking complete and utter nonsense.
There you go. That's what happens when you listen to rumours.
I saw the same rubbish posted on the Radio 2 board when it was closing, so personally I suspect that it was something that you read on the board, and have jumped on to, because that's what you wanted the reason to be.
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Message 31
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Message 32
Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
This isn't a court of law sonny!
I know what I know and I thought I'd share it with the frustrated. There is too much covered up at the BBC.
Conspiracy theories? Pah!! Sonny!!
I'm afraid you are just spreading a rumour -but there you go-you believe. what you want -
Message 33
Posted by DoverSoul (U14934992) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
Now you're just being rude and insulting to Peta. She worked there so even though the decision would have been made higher up, she would have known the reason behind it. I think you owe her an apology for that last post average40
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Message 34
Posted by Lee (U1149673) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
This isn't a court of law sonny!
I know what I know and I thought I'd share it with the frustrated. There is too much covered up at the BBC.
Conspiracy theories? Pah!! You don't really KNOW anything, you only think you know. You've heard something from a third party - not even direct from the source itself, it appears. That's how conspiracy theories tend to work. -
Message 35
Posted by Peta (U24) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
You have no idea what my position is, or was and what I am privy to.
I repeat, it's rubbish.
I know that you'd love it not to be rubbish, but it is.
I'd also consider it to be potentially defamatory to the person you are alluding to, so I'd suggest that you stop posting it. -
Message 36
Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
From the memory bank
www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...
Some people will just believe what they want to believe despite all the evidence to the contrary
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Message 37
Posted by average40 (U14458923) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
Now you're just being rude and insulting to Peta. She worked there so even though the decision would have been made higher up, she would have known the reason behind it. I think you owe her an apology for that last post average40
Not at all. Read what I said.
I think everyone's getting a little carried away. We are discussing a old internet message board, not paedophilia, overpaid employees abusing OAP’s, libellous documentaries, ripping off the public with premium phone numbers or cheating on competitions are we?
The good old BBC, whiter than white! -
Message 38
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Message 39
Posted by DoverSoul (U14934992) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
I'm leaving this discussion now, before I say something I will regret.
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Message 40
Posted by Peta (U24) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
I'm closing this discussion now.
We've answered the initial question fully and it has now drifted off topic.
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Message 41
Posted by Peta (U24) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
And before I go - I'll add that I just found a post by you posted just after the R2 board was closed where you asked...
Hi xxxxxxxxxxx
Did you demand the closing of the Radio Message?
Sticks and stones, sticks and stones.....
So you obviously had it in your mind that this had happened, an queried it, even before your 'friend of a friend' informed you.
As I said made up.
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