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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Ramblingon (U15590862) on Monday, 28th January 2013

    Anybody know why BBC has no +1 channels? Is it a technical problem or an editorial problem.

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Monday, 28th January 2013


    Neither really.

    It would cost significant more to add +1 channels. Commercial channels have them because it gives them another bite at the 'advertising revenue cherry' - but for the BBC it would just cost more.

    Instead the BBC offers iPlayer, which gives you a chance to watch at a time of your convenience.

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    Posted by technologist (U1259929) on Monday, 28th January 2013

    And iPlayer is available on your games console, tablet, phone, pc and of course TV. .....

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    Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Monday, 28th January 2013


    Neither really.

    It would cost significant more to add +1 channels. Commercial channels have them because it gives them another bite at the 'advertising revenue cherry' - but for the BBC it would just cost more.

    Instead the BBC offers iPlayer, which gives you a chance to watch at a time of your convenience.

     
    Would it also not be seen (by the commercial sector) as anti-competitive for the BBC to add +1 services?

    Personally, I would love BBC+1, BBC2+1 and BBC3+1...but I understand the reasons why it wouldn't be possible.

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    Posted by donthangup (U4619965) on Wednesday, 30th January 2013

    I never really find much value in the +1 hour channels. What would be more use to me is a BBC + 1 DAY channel. That way, when I find out on these boards that there was a really good programme I missed, I can actually get another chance to watch (or record) it!

    Okay, I am perhaps being a bit frivolous, and I see an immediate source of confusion with news programmes. smiley - whistle More seriously - I find the picture quality of some non-BBC channels so poor that I think all the bandwidth wasted on +1 channels should be used to up the quality to an acceptable standard.

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    Posted by megamain (U12800305) on Wednesday, 30th January 2013

    "I never really find much value in the +1 hour channels. What would be more use to me is a BBC + 1 DAY channel."

    Now THAT is a good idea

    smiley - ok

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by stirling (U13732738) on Thursday, 31st January 2013

    Instead the BBC offers iPlayer, which gives you a chance to watch at a time of your convenience. 

    But not all programmes are on iPlayer, whereas all would be on "plus one".

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by technologist (U1259929) on Friday, 1st February 2013

    Rights restriction would still apply - as you often see on +1 channels (Cannot show for Legal reasons) - so you are never guaranteed that the +1 will have all the Programs that the "on time" channels has ...
    So whilst you may have a +1 which would not be in Iplayer - it is usually the programmes with rights issues which cannot be in Iplayer,

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    Posted by dave (U2043922) on Friday, 8th February 2013

    "I never really find much value in the +1 hour channels. What would be more use to me is a BBC + 1 DAY channel."

    Now THAT is a good idea

    smiley - ok 
    Don't the BBC already offer some of the +1/day facilities in repeats and reshowings on BBC3 etc.

    Once you've seen a programme look in the schedules and it doesn't seem long before one of the BBC channels will be showing it again.

    BBC4 seems to repeat in the evening after a few hours

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by pyanaman (U2905997) on Sunday, 10th February 2013

    "I never really find much value in the +1 hour channels. What would be more use to me is a BBC + 1 DAY channel."

    Now THAT is a good idea

    smiley - ok 
    If you use your Humax box to record you can only record 2 simultaneous channels. Thanks to programme schedulers this usually means EVERYTHING you want to watch is on at 9 o'clock! I never watch ITV or Ch 4 live, preferring to avoid the brain dead commercials and the +1 gets you round the problem. That way you can: record 2 progs 'as transmitted', record 2 progs on +1 channels, and watch a fifth live. So you see, it can be VERY useful smiley - smiley

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Thursday, 4th April 2013


    Plus one channels the active thread...

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by average40 (U14458923) on Thursday, 4th April 2013


    Neither really.

    It would cost significant more to add +1 channels. Commercial channels have them because it gives them another bite at the 'advertising revenue cherry' - but for the BBC it would just cost more.

    Instead the BBC offers iPlayer, which gives you a chance to watch at a time of your convenience.

     
    But the majority of stuff shown on BBC1, 2, 3 and 4 is NOT available on the i-player.
    A Plus One Hour channel would solve this.

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Thursday, 4th April 2013


    Good morning average40!

    The majority of content is on iPlayer.

    Plus one wouldn't solve it, because if they haven't managed to get the rights or can't afford the rights to show it on iPlayer, they wouldn't be able to get the rights, or afford the rights, to put it on a plus one channel either.

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by Bananas are the best (U15650112) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    See message 8 above. There would still be rights issues.

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by dayraven (U13717520) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    But the majority of stuff shown on BBC1, 2, 3 and 4 is NOT available on the i-player. 
    Unless your tastes run very much towards the things that usually don't end up there (sports, news, decades-old shows, films), I'm not really sure how you get that impression....

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by average40 (U14458923) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    But the majority of stuff shown on BBC1, 2, 3 and 4 is NOT available on the i-player. 
    Unless your tastes run very much towards the things that usually don't end up there (sports, news, decades-old shows, films), I'm not really sure how you get that impression.... 
    Probably it does.

    So a Plus 1 hour chanel would be perfect.

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    But the majority of stuff shown on BBC1, 2, 3 and 4 is NOT available on the i-player. 
    Unless your tastes run very much towards the things that usually don't end up there (sports, news, decades-old shows, films), I'm not really sure how you get that impression.... 
    Probably it does.

    So a Plus 1 hour chanel would be perfect.  

    As I said earlier - Plus one wouldn't solve the problem then, because if they haven't managed to get the rights or can't afford the rights to show it on iPlayer, they wouldn't be able to get the rights, or afford the rights, to put it on a plus one channel either.

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    From my experience of trying to convince average 40 of how things work is fruitless-if he/she tells blue is white no evidence will convince other wise

    Seems to have a blind spot on facts sometimes

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by TomcatRed (U8418886) on Thursday, 4th April 2013


    Good morning average40!

    The majority of content is on iPlayer.

    Plus one wouldn't solve it, because if they haven't managed to get the rights or can't afford the rights to show it on iPlayer, they wouldn't be able to get the rights, or afford the rights, to put it on a plus one channel either.

     
    Sorry Peta but I think you are getting a bit confused, the whole point of a +1 channel is to show EXACTLY what was show an hour previously on the 'main' channel.

    If it is shown of there then the BBC quite clearly do have the 'rights' to broadcast it.

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by Bananas are the best (U15650112) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    No she's not; to do what you think it should do, you would have to pay more for the rights because you are effectively showing a program on two separate channels. You could show many programs, but you could NOT show Match of the Day and Football Focus to take two examples from sport, and any number of other programs, especially where the BBC does not hold the original rights, without paying more.

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    Peta is not wrong. you only have to see messages from ITV+1 to prove that further permission is needed to repeat an hour later.

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by TomcatRed (U8418886) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    No she's not; to do what you think it should do, you would have to pay more for the rights because you are effectively showing a program on two separate channels. You could show many programs, but you could NOT show Match of the Day and Football Focus to take two examples from sport, and any number of other programs, especially where the BBC does not hold the original rights, without paying more.   I never suggested that they wouldn't have to pay twice for showing a programme twice (which is why a +1 channel is unlikely to happen)

    Peta suggested that the BBC "don't have the rights to show the programme" and if they showed it once then they clearly do.

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by dayraven (U13717520) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    Peta suggested that the BBC "don't have the rights to show the programme" 
    That's not a direct quote from anywhere on this thread....

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    Hi TomcatRed, sorry but no just because the BBC show it once does not automatically give them the right to show it again, an hour later or in any other repeat. Further permission is needed and costs.

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    In some instances, having the rights only means that we have the rights to show a programme *once*.

    Take this example for instance

    iplayerhelp.external...

    We only have the rights that we buy, or the rights that are made available to us, so just because we can get them to air a programme once, doesn't mean that we have the rights to air them again - or that we would be granted rights to air them again if we wanted to.

    Some rights, like films for example, may be made available for one showing only, but we still don't even then, have the rights to add them to iPlayer.


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  • Message 26

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    Posted by Bananas are the best (U15650112) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    I'm sorry, you are just being silly. In the context of the dialogue, it is what you were implying. Equivocation does not work:

    en.wikipedia.org/wik...

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by TomcatRed (U8418886) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    In some instances, having the rights only means that we have the rights to show a programme *once*.  Maybe if you had made that point clear in your first message I wouldn't have misunderstood you.

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    To be fair, this has been discussed and explained before.

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    In some instances, having the rights only means that we have the rights to show a programme *once*.  Maybe if you had made that point clear in your first message I wouldn't have misunderstood you. 
    I try my best TCR. smiley - sadface

    I've said all this many times! smiley - smiley

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by Bananas are the best (U15650112) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    She made it VERY clear here:

    "Plus one wouldn't solve it, because **if they haven't managed to get the rights or can't afford the rights to show it on iPlayer, they wouldn't be able to get the rights, or afford the rights, to put it on a plus one channel either.**"

    This clearly only talks of extra rights to show it on iPlayer or a plus one channel. There is no mention, express or implied of original or first broadcast rights on the main channel (BBC One, BBC Two, etc)

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by TomcatRed (U8418886) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    She made it VERY clear here:

    "Plus one wouldn't solve it, because **if they haven't managed to get the rights or can't afford the rights to show it on iPlayer, they wouldn't be able to get the rights, or afford the rights, to put it on a plus one channel either.**"

    This clearly only talks of extra rights to show it on iPlayer or a plus one channel. There is no mention, express or implied of original or first broadcast rights on the main channel (BBC One, BBC Two, etc)  
    No sorry Bob but the word "extra" rights doesn't appear in that quote, clearly if it did then I wouldn't have got the wrong end of the stick (which I clearly did).

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Thursday, 4th April 2013


    Don't worry about it TCR - lots of people think that if we have the rights, we have the rights conclusively to show it by any means and as often as we like.

    That's not the case, as you now know, sometimes rights can be very specific.

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by TomcatRed (U8418886) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    And iPlayer is available on your games console, tablet, phone, pc and of course TV. .....   Only one of them is available to me and that is the PC and I don't like watching on a (relatively) small screen and in a less comfortable chair than in my lounge.

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Thursday, 4th April 2013


    Yes, I know how you feel.

    I also watch on my Wii - it brings it into my living area, which is good.

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by Bananas are the best (U15650112) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    But, you don't need the word extra because the word 'rights' refers directly to the showing it on iPlayer, or a plus one channel. The extra is superfluous. For example, "You need the rights to show it on iplayer", and "you need the rights to show it on a plus one channel".

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by EggOnAStilt (U7111730) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    Only one of them is available to me and that is the PC 

    Have you tried buying a long cable and plugging your computer into your TV, you can get cheap cables online. I think I paid under £5 for my 5 metre cable delivered.

    Even fairly old or cheaper computers have video cards/outputs that can be utilised this way.


    smiley - friedegg

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  • Message 37

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    Posted by TomcatRed (U8418886) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    But, you don't need the word extra because the word 'rights' refers directly to the showing it on iPlayer, or a plus one channel. The extra is superfluous. For example, "You need the rights to show it on iplayer", and "you need the rights to show it on a plus one channel".   It wasn't me who introduced the word "extra", it was you, but I would have found that much clearer if it had been used.

    If one doesn't know (or didn't remember) that you need rights, over and above the ones you had to show it in the first place, then it is a simple mistake to make.

    I really think we should move on now, it was a simple misunderstaning on my part.

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  • Message 38

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    Posted by TomcatRed (U8418886) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    Only one of them is available to me and that is the PC 

    Have you tried buying a long cable and plugging your computer into your TV, you can get cheap cables online. I think I paid under £5 for my 5 metre cable delivered.

    Even fairly old or cheaper computers have video cards/outputs that can be utilised this way.


    smiley - friedegg 
    I just paced it out and I would need a cable about 13 metre cable smiley - yikes

    To be fair I do have a laptop that I have connected to the TV (or just watched on the laptop from the comfort of my armchair).

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  • Message 39

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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Thursday, 4th April 2013

    If you have wi-fi you can also wirelessly stream content from your computer to your TV. If your TV is not wi-fi capable then a Blu-Ray disc player will act as the streaming device. And it will also upconvert regular DVDs to near HD quality when you play them.

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  • Message 40

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    Posted by Red Horizon (U1719289) on Friday, 5th April 2013

    Neither really.

    It would cost significant more to add +1 channels. Commercial channels have them because it gives them another bite at the 'advertising revenue cherry' - but for the BBC it would just cost more 

    And, have these Commercial channels just moved into brand-new premises like the BBC?
    Instead the BBC offers iPlayer, which gives you a chance to watch at a time of your convenience 
    Trouble is: i've wanted to watch programmes shortly after they've been shown but was unable to - why? because the programmes had not reached iplayer within the hour like they would do on a +1 channel.

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  • Message 41

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    Posted by rg (U5314762) on Saturday, 6th April 2013

    Instead the BBC offers iPlayer, which gives you a chance to watch at a time of your convenience  A lame excuse I'm afraid when viewed from the perspective of a sticks dweller without access to townie luxuries like broadband worthy of the name nor cable.

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  • Message 42

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    Posted by EggOnAStilt (U7111730) on Saturday, 6th April 2013

    I want +2 channels

    smiley - friedegg

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  • Message 43

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    Posted by Bananas are the best (U15650112) on Saturday, 6th April 2013

    Maybe we should have -1 channels. Then there wouldn't be any rights problems because the program hasn't been broadcast yet. smiley - winkeye

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  • Message 44

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Saturday, 6th April 2013

    Aren't there already going to be programmes on iPlayer that haven't already been broadcast on the main BBC channels? Or have I got that wrong?

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  • Message 45

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    Posted by Bananas are the best (U15650112) on Saturday, 6th April 2013

    Or have I got that wrong?  No, they ARE going to do that.

    www.bbc.co.uk/news/e...

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  • Message 46

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    Posted by PoochJD (U2534501) on Thursday, 25th April 2013

    For what it's worth, it annoys the hell out of me when the BBC keep telling me that if I've missed a show, I can simply watch it on iPlayer!

    Actually, no BBC, I want to watch TV shows on my TV, thank you very much!

    Also, you're assuming that everyone has internet access (I don't), and broadband internet access at that (again, I don't).

    Some of us, actually want to watch TV shows on our big-screen TV's, not on little computer monitors, with all the constant "buffering" issues, pixelation, sound-and-image synchronisation problems!

    Considering the amount of rubbish the BBC does shoehorn into its schedules, it seems stupefying that new shows can't be repeated within seven days time, prior to the next episode, and on the same or another BBC channel, at a different time of day/night.

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  • Message 47

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Thursday, 25th April 2013


    Nowadays you don't have to watch on your computer, there are many different ways to get iPlayer on your TV. There's no buffering either - you can download the programme and watch it at your convenience, on your TV.


    iplayerhelp.external...

    Computers

    Games Consoles

    Available on
    Microsoft Xbox 360
    Nintendo Wii
    Sony PlayStation 3

    Home Media Hubs

    Mobile Phones

    Portable Media Players

    TV

    Tablet Devices


    www.newmediatrendwat...

    There were 52,731,209 internet users in the UK (representing 84.1% of the population) in mid-year 2012 (June 30, 2012), according to Internet World Stats. (Internet World Stats, October 2012)

    So although you might not have internet access at home, the majority of people do.

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  • Message 48

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    Posted by captainMouse (U14652804) on Thursday, 25th April 2013

    yes but there's internet access and there's internet access. i do have broadband at home it has been 'down' since the high winds in march. open reach will fix it eventually, but not being a business i am not a priority.

    when it does work it is not fast enough to support iPlayer so I too am fed up with constantly being told I can watch on iPlayer. smiley - sadface

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Thursday, 25th April 2013

    yes but there's internet access and there's internet access. i do have broadband at home it has been 'down' since the high winds in march. open reach will fix it eventually, but not being a business i am not a priority.

    when it does work it is not fast enough to support iPlayer so I too am fed up with constantly being told I can watch on iPlayer. smiley - sadface 

    Can't you download programmes using iPlayer captainmouse?

    You can just set it to download - and it'll get there eventually.

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  • Message 50

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    Posted by technologist (U1259929) on Friday, 26th April 2013

    You install the Iplayer desk top and then you can download and view 30 days after TX -(not the 7 days of the streaming services)
    details at www.bbc.co.uk/iplaye...
    and there are other features/ benefits!

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