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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Robert Dufton (U15536247) on Wednesday, 12th December 2012

    I haven't bought a TV License for...ever!
    I don't watch sport or reality. I never watch my dramas and films live.
    I don't have a tv aerial. However I have around 7 devices that can access iplayer etc.
    Working in the music rights business, this problem is close to my heart.
    Licenses are assigned to households so what does that mean for mobile devices?
    Wouldn't it be better since IP addresses are easier to track, to assign tv licenses to phone lines. THis would prevent people abusing the system.

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Wednesday, 12th December 2012


    Hi Robert

    Most IP addresses are not fixed - ie one permanent one per household, the majority are dynamic, which means they change almost every time someone logs in.

    More about dynamic IP addresses here:

    en.wikipedia.org/wik...

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    Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Wednesday, 12th December 2012

    I haven't bought a TV License for...ever!
    I don't watch sport or reality. I never watch my dramas and films live.
    I don't have a tv aerial. However I have around 7 devices that can access iplayer etc.
    Working in the music rights business, this problem is close to my heart.
    Licenses are assigned to households so what does that mean for mobile devices?
    Wouldn't it be better since IP addresses are easier to track, to assign tv licenses to phone lines. THis would prevent people abusing the system.
     
    Rather than playing the system so they can watch programmes for free-like using this facility.
    If you feel so strongly-pop out this afternoon and buy a licence-you know you want to.

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    Posted by DragonFluff (U6879248) on Wednesday, 12th December 2012

    Gaaaah! Pet peeve!

    LicenCe.

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    Posted by I Forget (U15411209) on Wednesday, 12th December 2012

    Don't even need to go out:

    https://www.tvlicen...

    (Re the question asked by the person in the quote about mobile devices) See "What your TV licence covers", here:

    www.tvlicensing.co.u...

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    Posted by megamain (U12800305) on Thursday, 13th December 2012

    If he is using iplayer to watch non live TV then why would he buy a licence? Would you?

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    Posted by Squirrel (U961634) on Sunday, 23rd December 2012



    Would I? Yes, because I would have to!

    The TV licence is not about who you are or what TV you watch. Your property address needs licence if you have the EQUIPMENT to enable you to watch live TV broadcasts by any means.

    If you have a computer, tablet, smartphone, games device, etc, that can connect to the internet, then you have the equipment and need a Television Licence.

    www.tvlicensing.co.u...



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    Posted by Quizzimodo (U551071) on Monday, 24th December 2012

    This thread proves that technology has made the BBC licence obsolete

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    Posted by stevefb (U14977970) on Wednesday, 26th December 2012

    Your property address needs licence if you have the EQUIPMENT to enable you to watch live TV broadcasts by any means 

    Not true.

    You must be covered by a valid TV Licence to watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV, but you do not need a licence if you do not receive, watch or record live or near-live TV.

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    Posted by Valdimar the Unending (U15551013) on Thursday, 27th December 2012

    After reading about the massive pay offs to BBC executives and the BBC clearly abusing the licence fee and disregarding the thoughts of how licence fee payers see this .....I don't don't blame anyone in trying to avoid this tax , legitimate or otherwise. 

    Given that they have asked the NAO to look into it, I do not think that they are disregarding it.

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    Posted by dalmatina (U13475252) on Thursday, 27th December 2012



    Would I? Yes, because I would have to!

    The TV licence is not about who you are or what TV you watch. Your property address needs licence if you have the EQUIPMENT to enable you to watch live TV broadcasts by any means.

    If you have a computer, tablet, smartphone, games device, etc, that can connect to the internet, then you have the equipment and need a Television Licence.

    www.tvlicensing.co.u...



     


    This is incorrect. Stevefb's subsequent post puts it in a nutshell.

    As we did not wish to renew our licence when it expired in the summer, my OH contacted TVLA to discover EXACTLY what was required.

    Simply owning equipment capable of receiving TV broadcasts does not compel you to buy or hold a TV licence. We still own a television (although the analogue aerial hasn't worked for a long time, as we live in a heavily wooded area - the cable is now cut anyway; and the satellite dish has been disconnected and removed); we have a desktop computer and also a laptop. Both computers would enable us to receive TV at time of broadcast, should we wish to - but we don't.

    Despite seeking clarification from the TVLA, and their agreement that we did not need to purchase a TV licence, we were then subjected to a stream of increasingly threatening letters - which I find quite unconscionable. We are not the only ones to have been subjected to this - a quick search of the internet will reveal TVLA's methods.

    Our television is used for watching DVDs and playing video games. We can legally watch iPlayer, 4oD or ITV Player on our computers provided the programmes are not being simultaneously broadcast. We don't bother. One of the reasons for cancelling the licence is because most broadcast output is rubbish. The other is because I have no wish to contribute to the BBC's coffers - and as the summer progressed, and various information came to light regarding the BBC's activities, and those of their employees, my attitude has hardened.

    If we chose to, we could install the technology to patch the computer through to the TV, and watch catch-up television, or even films from one of the many sources available. That is quite legal, and does not require a TV licence, according to TVLA. We don't choose to do that, either.

    Before one of the many self-appointed 'guardians' of these boards (and I don't mean hosts or moderators) fires off a post telling me how irresponsible I am for reading/contributing to these boards without paying for a TV licence, I'll just explain why I am here. I occasionally (VERY occasionally, now) visit the boards because I am interested to see how others feel about the recent revelations. Those posting in the 'Comments' sections of the various newspapers will have one view, but I am interested to know the views of BBC aficionados - who will, by definition, probably be in the majority on these boards.

    Of course, when enough people fall in that the TV licence fee is money for old rope, and refuse to pay it and revenue falls, I have no doubt that a tax will be levied on broadband access. If it is, I'll have to pay it, as I use it for my work. Until then, I will neither be paying a licence tax, nor will I be watching television.

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    Posted by MrGriggsFromRye (U14258956) on Thursday, 27th December 2012

    After reading about the massive pay offs to BBC executives and the BBC clearly abusing the licence fee and disregarding the thoughts of how licence fee payers see this .....I don't don't blame anyone in trying to avoid this tax , legitimate or otherwise.  ...me neither...these obscene pay offs make me physically sick...

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    Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Thursday, 27th December 2012

    After reading about the massive pay offs to BBC executives and the BBC clearly abusing the licence fee and disregarding the thoughts of how licence fee payers see this .....I don't don't blame anyone in trying to avoid this tax , legitimate or otherwise.  ...me neither...these obscene pay offs make me physically sick...  Don't be silly-they do not.

    It happens in all large organisations.

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    Posted by Quizzimodo (U551071) on Thursday, 27th December 2012

    As a supporter of the BBC in general, I find it frustrating that it 's behaviour in the last year means that the tabloids have been able to claw back some of the moral high ground

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    Posted by stevefb (U14977970) on Thursday, 27th December 2012

    smiley - ok Well said, Dalmatina

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