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    Posted by I Forget (U15411209) on Saturday, 10th November 2012

    BBC DG quits amid abuse story row

    BBC director general George Entwistle has tendered his resignation with immediate effect, after a Newsnight film wrong implicated an ex-senior Tory in child sex abuse at Welsh children's homes.

    www.bbc.co.uk/news/v...

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    Posted by I Forget (U15411209) on Saturday, 10th November 2012

    Re thread title, should be Entwistle, of course. Sorry.

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    Posted by Chelle (U3043549) on Saturday, 10th November 2012

    wow, barely 2 months in the job. Is that a record?

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    Posted by fourthelephant (U15487252) on Saturday, 10th November 2012

    Got my fingers crossed for someone bettersmiley - erm

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    Posted by counterblast (U14258320) on Saturday, 10th November 2012

    Now he's gone, can we please have Peter Rippon back? He's the best broadcast editor in the business.

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    Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Saturday, 10th November 2012

    Now he's gone, can we please have Peter Rippon back? He's the best broadcast editor in the business.  Absolutely appalled and disgusted by the news tonight.

    The 'anti-right wing' in this country must rise up and defend 'our' public services - including the BBC - because they 'the right wing nasties' are 'after them'!

    Long live our public services. Long live the fabulous BBC!

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    Posted by Maggie Ricketts (U15497782) on Saturday, 10th November 2012

    This is the only forum I have found to date to express my support for the BBC. In the current situation re Jimmy Savile and recent accusations of child abuse, it seems to me that the corporation has been "dammed if they do & dammed if they don't".

    Surely it is better to speak out than it is to keep quiet, and if innocent individuals feel they have had their reputation besmirched 'by implication' surely the sensible thing to do is to state their innocence, but also express an understanding of the situation & wish for justice....not threaten legal action.

    It seems to me that the way things are going the BBC will be afraid to raise important issues!

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    Posted by Chris Rogers (U10129711) on Saturday, 10th November 2012

    it seems to me that the corporation has been "dammed if they do & dammed if they don't".  

    No, it is damned as it has dropped a clearly solid investigation into a much-hallowed BBC face because of obvious internal pressure, and then - staggeringly - went too far in the opposite direction by libelling an innocent man.

    Chris Patten called it shoddy journalism, and that's doesn't cover the half of it.

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    Posted by Wilhelmina Scream (U15269438) on Saturday, 10th November 2012

    Now he's gone, can we please have Peter Rippon back? He's the best broadcast editor in the business.  Absolutely appalled and disgusted by the news tonight.

    The 'anti-right wing' in this country must rise up and defend 'our' public services - including the BBC - because they 'the right wing nasties' are 'after them'!

    Long live our public services. Long live the fabulous BBC! 

    You should be on at 6:30pm, weekdays, R4.

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    Posted by Passage_Migrant (U15393033) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    'Surely it is better to speak out than it is to keep quiet, and if innocent individuals feel they have had their reputation besmirched 'by implication' surely the sensible thing to do is to state their innocence, but also express an understanding of the situation & wish for justice....not threaten legal action.' Would you be so cavalier if it was you who was being wrongly accused?

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    Posted by Passage_Migrant (U15393033) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    'Long live our public services.' Perhaps you could clarify please apropos the purpose of our so-called public services? Are they there to provide services to the public, provide employment &c. or a combination of both?

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    Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    'Long live our public services.' Perhaps you could clarify please apropos the purpose of our so-called public services? Are they there to provide services to the public, provide employment &c. or a combination of both?   Public 'service' is just that. It provides the public with quality 'services' driven by that ethos of 'service first' and not by profit which dogs the private sector. It obviously provides employment too.

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    Posted by Passage_Migrant (U15393033) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    I suppose I expected that. Thank you .

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    Posted by Quizzimodo (U551071) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    Entwhistle seems to have been a living example of the Peter Principle.

    His humiliation by Humphrys on Today was excrutiating to listen to & if anyone really thought he could survive that they are deluded

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    Posted by Essential Rabbit (U3613943) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    Surely it is better to speak out than it is to keep quiet, and if innocent individuals feel they have had their reputation besmirched 'by implication' surely the sensible thing to do is to state their innocence, but also express an understanding of the situation & wish for justice....not threaten legal action. 
    Mud sticks, Maggie, especially in the blogosphere.
    There will be lots of mutterings about "no smoke without fire".
    "Stating their innocence" won't even cause a ripple in the gutter.

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    Posted by Anignig (U13352042) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    I'm keeping an open mind. I'm leery of the way the BBC is now the centre of attention when to my mind it's the abuse and finding out what happened that should be concerning us. There are so many "powers" that don't like public broadcasting and want it muzzled.

    Unfortunately for anyone falsely accused so many, many people have protested their innocence before having to resign, it's hard to know who to believe any more. But the concentration on the BBC as messenger (however inept) seems wrong to me.

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    Posted by Alf Hartigan (U2277114) on Sunday, 11th November 2012


    Is this man capable of doing anything himself or does he need an enquiry about everything that happens at the BBC?

    His ineptitude is truly amazing.

    Asked by Humphrys if he should go he said, "No". Then he did.

    What job will he be doing next?

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    Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    Entwhistle seems to have been a living example of the Peter Principle.

    His humiliation by Humphrys on Today was excrutiating to listen to & if anyone really thought he could survive that they are deluded 
    The irony is that perhaps the best & the worst of the BBC was displayed during the 20 min interview!

    I would also like to say that I have been hugely impressed by the way BBC News and Current Affairs have covered the BBC 'fiasco'. Do we see other companies airing their 'dirty washing' in public?

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    Posted by minimetto (U1159894) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    BBC DG quits amid abuse story row

    BBC director general George Entwistle has tendered his resignation with immediate effect, after a Newsnight film wrong implicated an ex-senior Tory in child sex abuse at Welsh children's homes.

    www.bbc.co.uk/news/v... 
    ......well. I did predict this 17 hours ago - however, I will repeat what I said then....How on earth did he get the job and WHO saw fit to place this man in a position for which he was wholly unsuited? I heard the interview with John Humphreys and it was embarrassing to say the least - GE appeared clueless in every aspect. Of course, there is one possibility....was he put forward to this role as a scapegoat?

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    Posted by Quizzimodo (U551071) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    BBC DG quits amid abuse story row

    BBC director general George Entwistle has tendered his resignation with immediate effect, after a Newsnight film wrong implicated an ex-senior Tory in child sex abuse at Welsh children's homes.

    www.bbc.co.uk/news/v... 
    ......well. I did predict this 17 hours ago - however, I will repeat what I said then....How on earth did he get the job and WHO saw fit to place this man in a position for which he was wholly unsuited? I heard the interview with John Humphreys and it was embarrassing to say the least - GE appeared clueless in every aspect. Of course, there is one possibility....was he put forward to this role as a scapegoat? 
    Lord Patten & the board of governors gave Entwistle the job


    Even before this current fiasco it was on Entwistle's watch that the furore over the queen's portrait trail blew up & he was head of BBC vision in charge of the almost universally panned Jubilee river pageant coverage

    Makes you wonder at the standard of those they passed over

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    Posted by Wilhelmina Scream (U15269438) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    Entwhistle seems to have been a living example of the Peter Principle.

    His humiliation by Humphrys on Today was excrutiating to listen to & if anyone really thought he could survive that they are deluded 
    The irony is that perhaps the best & the worst of the BBC was displayed during the 20 min interview! 

    Not a huge fan of the Today programme, then, Myles..?

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    Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    Entwhistle seems to have been a living example of the Peter Principle.

    His humiliation by Humphrys on Today was excrutiating to listen to & if anyone really thought he could survive that they are deluded 
    The irony is that perhaps the best & the worst of the BBC was displayed during the 20 min interview! 

    Not a huge fan of the Today programme, then, Myles..? 
    I am very aware of what Today is and what Humphries does. As I say, did it give the BBC an opportunity to display the best and worst of the BBC? Perhaps it did.

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    Posted by IanBeeDevon (U15498360) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    The current witch hunt against the BBC appalls me - I find that in 99% of the time, Newsnight does a superb job of digging into the background of current news stories. I've heard commentators trying to blow the story into a wholesale condemnation of the BBC and Newsnight - calling for Chris Patton to resign together with half the news editors within the BBC.

    We have two mistakes of judgement on Newsnight - one happened several years ago and one this last week. Lets keep this in perspective and wait for the outcome of the internal investigations in progress before we judge the whole of the BBC.

    Lets reserve our disgust to those who actually committed the child abuse in the first case.

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    Posted by Quizzimodo (U551071) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    We have two mistakes of judgement on Newsnight - one happened several years ago and one this last week. 

    Actually the first mistake was a year ago, when Savile died

    The actual abuse was ears ago but Newsnight's errors have been in the last year

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    Posted by caissier (U14073060) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    The word everybody uses about GE is 'decent' and he is spoken of highly in other terms. He looks like somebody who suddenly finds himself in the middle of the Colleseum and most of his critics resemble the baying, blood-hungry crowd-mob.

    It is hard to discern how things actually do work inside the Beeb. It lookjs quite possible that the NN programme fell through the filters because most people normally involved were out of action because of the Savile business. Unfortunately it is all about perception, we are told, and maybe GE is not the kind of performer required - too normal. That was the only problem with his Today interview. Michael Grade was ebullient, Greg Dyke a cheeky bloke, Mark Thompson a bit of a bruiser. Perhaps George is best out of it, though I think we could do with more normal people at the top of things.

    ...... but the constant point, which Paxman re-iterated in his statement, is that News (and the whole BBC) is now badly under-funded as a result of the disgraceful and irresponsible and cavalier week-end Government 20%+the World Service funding mugging. It looks strongly as though that has been behind these recent problems, and some will rub their hands. They and others might chorus, "It's not about money! It's not about money!", but it bloomin' is.

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    Posted by lluncoolj (U7676659) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    Since the Savile hysteria has hit the headlines there has been a queue of people lining up to jump on the bandwagon - I don't doubt that some of their testimonies have been less than reliable, too. The media has been guilty of hyping up an old fashioned vigilante atmosphere where the innocent are likely to be hanged along with the guilty. The lack of control over reports of paedophilia will probably result in a similar backlash to Sachsgate where producers and directors become frightened of their own shadows and contribute to the BBC becoming even more toothless.

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    Posted by Suki (U4915486) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    Now he's gone, can we please have Peter Rippon back? He's the best broadcast editor in the business.  Absolutely appalled and disgusted by the news tonight.

    The 'anti-right wing' in this country must rise up and defend 'our' public services - including the BBC - because they 'the right wing nasties' are 'after them'!

    Long live our public services. Long live the fabulous BBC! 
    Not everyone thinks its "fabulous" and should voice it as paying the the BBC licence fee should be a choice, not a must. Don't be a tool.

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    Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    The current witch hunt against the BBC appalls me - I find that in 99% of the time, Newsnight does a superb job of digging into the background of current news stories. I've heard commentators trying to blow the story into a wholesale condemnation of the BBC and Newsnight - calling for Chris Patton to resign together with half the news editors within the BBC.

    We have two mistakes of judgement on Newsnight - one happened several years ago and one this last week. Lets keep this in perspective and wait for the outcome of the internal investigations in progress before we judge the whole of the BBC.

    Lets reserve our disgust to those who actually committed the child abuse in the first case. 
    I absolutely agree.

    The BBC runs through us all deeply. It is part of our DNA. Everyone loves it.

    Who do we all turn to in times of trouble and crisis? The BBC.

    Who produces the best programming?...the best LiVE events?...the best radio output? The great BBC.

    Which media outlet has the trust of the nation? The BBC.

    We all need to rally round to support the BBC. It is the best that we have.

    We should all support the BBC by watching and listening to BBC programming.

    The BBC, ad-free programming at it's best.

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    Posted by Quizzimodo (U551071) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    The current witch hunt against the BBC appalls me - I find that in 99% of the time, Newsnight does a superb job of digging into the background of current news stories. I've heard commentators trying to blow the story into a wholesale condemnation of the BBC and Newsnight - calling for Chris Patton to resign together with half the news editors within the BBC.

    We have two mistakes of judgement on Newsnight - one happened several years ago and one this last week. Lets keep this in perspective and wait for the outcome of the internal investigations in progress before we judge the whole of the BBC.

    Lets reserve our disgust to those who actually committed the child abuse in the first case. 
    I absolutely agree.

    The BBC runs through us all deeply. It is part of our DNA. Everyone loves it.

    Who do we all turn to in times of trouble and crisis? The BBC.

    Who produces the best programming?...the best LiVE events?...the best radio output? The great BBC.

    Which media outlet has the trust of the nation? The BBC.

    We all need to rally round to support the BBC. It is the best that we have.

    We should all support the BBC by watching and listening to BBC programming.

    The BBC, ad-free programming at it's best. 
    I agree too


    The BBC HAS to get this sorted ASAP to stop the tabloid/government poison taking root in people's minds about it

    Entwistle is gone, let's hope they do a better job of choosing his replacement

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    Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    Now he's gone, can we please have Peter Rippon back? He's the best broadcast editor in the business.  Absolutely appalled and disgusted by the news tonight.

    The 'anti-right wing' in this country must rise up and defend 'our' public services - including the BBC - because they 'the right wing nasties' are 'after them'!

    Long live our public services. Long live the fabulous BBC! 
    Not everyone thinks its "fabulous" and should voice it as paying the the BBC licence fee should be a choice, not a must. Don't be a tool.  
    I will ignore your rude reference to me.

    If everything was down to 'choice', society as we know it would end...so it will come as no surprise to you that I disagree with you fundamentally.

    I will always defend the licence fee and the BBC because it is the best we have. It is a world renowned and respected brand...and for that reason alone, we should all be proud of the BBC.

    At the end of the day, it all comes down to whether you believe in public services or not. I passionately do.

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    Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    The current witch hunt against the BBC appalls me - I find that in 99% of the time, Newsnight does a superb job of digging into the background of current news stories. I've heard commentators trying to blow the story into a wholesale condemnation of the BBC and Newsnight - calling for Chris Patton to resign together with half the news editors within the BBC.

    We have two mistakes of judgement on Newsnight - one happened several years ago and one this last week. Lets keep this in perspective and wait for the outcome of the internal investigations in progress before we judge the whole of the BBC.

    Lets reserve our disgust to those who actually committed the child abuse in the first case. 
    I absolutely agree.

    The BBC runs through us all deeply. It is part of our DNA. Everyone loves it.

    Who do we all turn to in times of trouble and crisis? The BBC.

    Who produces the best programming?...the best LiVE events?...the best radio output? The great BBC.

    Which media outlet has the trust of the nation? The BBC.

    We all need to rally round to support the BBC. It is the best that we have.

    We should all support the BBC by watching and listening to BBC programming.

    The BBC, ad-free programming at it's best. 
    I agree too


    The BBC HAS to get this sorted ASAP to stop the tabloid/government poison taking root in people's minds about it

    Entwistle is gone, let's hope they do a better job of choosing his replacement 
    I believe that the BBC will ride out this storm...and come out the other end stronger than ever.

    As I have mentioned elsewhere, this 'fiasco' has been hijacked by the 'right' in this country who would like nothing more than the BBC to close it's doors. Why? For commercial and political gain. Hear it loud and clear government...the BBC is loved by the nation. Leave it be.

    Would you like our national broadcaster to be run by a private company headed up by Mr Murdoch? What about Mr Desmond? What about Mr Daker? I most certainly don't. Our national broadcaster must remain as is...the BBC funded by the licence fee.

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    Posted by Essential Rabbit (U3613943) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    but the constant point, which Paxman re-iterated in his statement, is that News (and the whole BBC) is now badly under-funded as a result of the disgraceful and irresponsible and cavalier week-end Government 20%+the World Service funding mugging. It looks strongly as though that has been behind these recent problems, and some will rub their hands. 
    So, incompetent journalism and inadequate supervision, leading to a shockingly inaccurate "News" programme, is actually the fault of the Government.

    Glad you cleared that up.

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    Posted by Passage_Migrant (U15393033) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    'Hear it loud and clear government...the BBC is loved by the nation.' How on earth can you claim that. Any more than I can claim the opposite.

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    Posted by Essential Rabbit (U3613943) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    The BBC runs through us all deeply. It is part of our DNA. Everyone loves it.  No, it doesn't; no, it isn't; no, they don't.
    Such hyperbole does no-one any favours.
    The BBC is a national broadcaster, not some sort of evangelical religion.
    Who do we all turn to in times of trouble and crisis?  Close family members.
    Who produces the best programming?...the best LiVE events?...the best radio output? The great BBC.  Agreed.
    Which media outlet has the trust of the nation? The BBC  Sometimes sadly misplaced, as in this case.
    We all need to rally round to support the BBC.  Not blindly. My support for the Beeb will not stop me criticising when it gets things wrong, or demanding that it gets its act together.
    We should all support the BBC by watching and listening to BBC programming. 
    There's no "should" about it. I think I will probably always watch more BBC programmes than any other channel, but that's *my* choice.

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    Posted by Quizzimodo (U551071) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    Mr Entwhistle could try and blame Labour MP Thomas Watson for his downfall as it was he broke the FALSE Lord McAlpine story in the safety of Parliament … 

    How so?
    He made a statement in parliament naming no one
    It was up to the journos to check it out properly
    They didn't

    they have brought total shame to their profession … now hopefully the media WILL NOT be allowed ever again to self-regulate and cover up their sins !  

    Aren't they regulated buy Ofcom?

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    Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    'Hear it loud and clear government...the BBC is loved by the nation.' How on earth can you claim that. Any more than I can claim the opposite.   Looking at TV ratings, radio audiences and audience shares gives you a fair clue. The BBC is the most watched / most listened to media organisation. It wouldn't be if the masses didn't love Auntie.

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    Posted by Quizzimodo (U551071) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    Myles:
    Liking the output doesn't necessarily mean we like the organisation

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    Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    Myles:
    Liking the output doesn't necessarily mean we like the organisation 
    Without the organisation, there is no output.

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    Posted by caissier (U14073060) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    but the constant point, which Paxman re-iterated in his statement, is that News (and the whole BBC) is now badly under-funded as a result of the disgraceful and irresponsible and cavalier week-end Government 20%+the World Service funding mugging. It looks strongly as though that has been behind these recent problems, and some will rub their hands. 
    So, incompetent journalism and inadequate supervision, leading to a shockingly inaccurate "News" programme, is actually the fault of the Government.

    Glad you cleared that up. 
    No problem .....

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    Posted by oldmanriver (U14455170) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    It also makes you wonder over what severance terms GE will get.

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    Posted by caissier (U14073060) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    The BBC runs through us all deeply. It is part of our DNA. Everyone loves it.  No, it doesn't; no, it isn't; no, they don't.
    Such hyperbole does no-one any favours.
    The BBC is a national broadcaster, not some sort of evangelical religion.
    Who do we all turn to in times of trouble and crisis?  Close family members.
    Who produces the best programming?...the best LiVE events?...the best radio output? The great BBC.  Agreed.
    Which media outlet has the trust of the nation? The BBC  Sometimes sadly misplaced, as in this case.
    We all need to rally round to support the BBC.  Not blindly. My support for the Beeb will not stop me criticising when it gets things wrong, or demanding that it gets its act together.
    We should all support the BBC by watching and listening to BBC programming. 
    There's no "should" about it. I think I will probably always watch more BBC programmes than any other channel, but that's *my* choice. 
    Michael Grade has said that the BBC 'keeps the rest of us honest'.

    It underpins standards across the media (this trouble notwithstanding).

    It's ours.

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    Posted by caissier (U14073060) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    Some light on that 'BBC management' everybody is talking about ....

    www.guardian.co.uk/c...

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    Posted by oldmanriver (U14455170) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    "Michael Grade has said that the BBC 'keeps the rest of us honest'.

    It underpins standards across the media (this trouble notwithstanding).

    It's ours"

    Its so much ours that it is going to cost £450,000 for GE to step down from being the DG. www.itv.com/news/...

    In other words a year's salary. Will he also get an enhanced pension too?

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    Posted by Myles4291 (U14634500) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    The BBC runs through us all deeply. It is part of our DNA. Everyone loves it.  No, it doesn't; no, it isn't; no, they don't.
    Such hyperbole does no-one any favours.
    The BBC is a national broadcaster, not some sort of evangelical religion.
    Who do we all turn to in times of trouble and crisis?  Close family members.
    Who produces the best programming?...the best LiVE events?...the best radio output? The great BBC.  Agreed.
    Which media outlet has the trust of the nation? The BBC  Sometimes sadly misplaced, as in this case.
    We all need to rally round to support the BBC.  Not blindly. My support for the Beeb will not stop me criticising when it gets things wrong, or demanding that it gets its act together.
    We should all support the BBC by watching and listening to BBC programming. 
    There's no "should" about it. I think I will probably always watch more BBC programmes than any other channel, but that's *my* choice. 
    Michael Grade has said that the BBC 'keeps the rest of us honest'.

    It underpins standards across the media (this trouble notwithstanding).

    It's ours. 
    Here, here.

    It's ours...absolutely.

    The fact that 'we all have a stake' is the BBC's strength. We all hold the BBC to account meaning it does the best that it can do. As the UK's standard bearer, it also drags up the commercial sector...which surely benefits viewers of the commercial sector too.

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    Posted by Sploink (U9993613) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    George E had to go. Not just because of the John Humphrys interview - I heard this and I thought JH hoestly could not believe what he was hearing. I don't read the Guardian, but even I knew about THAT front page, because I watch the news, and they do a review of the papers at night when the papers come out. But what I can't get is why the BBC is being accused of libel. they didn't name the bloke, and the group of folk they indicated was pretty wide. So unless all Tory politicians of the Thatcher era had sued (and I suppose it might have happened) I don't see the BBC was liable. They ran the report past the lawyers, and they thought it was OK. So they wouldn't check it with Lord M, as they weren't naming him, and they wouldn't have shown his photo to the man making the mistaken allegations. To do so would have prejudiced a future prosecution if he had been correct (though, since he wasn't it would certainly have saved the BBC's blushes). I think they might have had a good case to say "Sue us if you like, we'll fight it" But, of course, the BBC are in mortal fear of the Tories cutting the licence fee so will cave in at all points when threatened (look at the Kelly affair). So even if GE had seen the report, he might have given it the go-ahead. But he should have made sure he did see it by telling the Newsnight lot that if they were venturing into this territory again they should show him first.

    Finally - Remember John Sergeant's condescending little report showing us plebs how the BBC did their news reporting, where he said that outsiders just couldn't understand the arcane workings of BBC news, poor ignorant things (well, ok, he didn't use those words, but that was the burden of his refrain) Well, if the things look pretty daft and incomprehensible to outsiders, then, unless you are inventing something new, there should always be a tiny thing in your mind that the rules you are working by are, actually, pretty stupid and need to be looked at.

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    Posted by Quizzimodo (U551071) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    The BBC have not come out of this well

    But it least they were asked to ask the questions of itself.
    Compare & contrast:

    www.youtube.com/watc...

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    Posted by Wilhelmina Scream (U15269438) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    Some light on that 'BBC management' everybody is talking about ....

    www.guardian.co.uk/c... 

    Very interesting article, and this bit in particular:

    'I don't entirely blame the BBC for its over-management. Any institution has a tendency to grow if it's able to. Lots of new management jobs appeared over the decades to appease those who hadn't got the next real promotion. People appointed to a new post soon wanted a deputy. Protected by the licence fee and its relative isolation from the rest of the journalistic world, the only difference at the BBC was that it could get away with it.'

    One of those people sitting at home, 'head in hands', waiting to be sacked should be Iain Overton.

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