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  • Message 251

    , in reply to message 246.

    Posted by Bankhayes (U15138641) on Friday, 16th March 2012

    Peta, there you go again, repeating yourself. Many people have asked you if you could find out exactly what changes they have made. You haven't responded on that but are still willing to regurgitate the party line.
    It's a bit like Jeremy Paxman asking the same question over and over again.
    Have you thought about politics as a career?

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  • Message 252

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Friday, 16th March 2012


    *Me* asking the same question over and over? smiley - biggrin Honestly people, if I hear anything I will tell you - me nagging them isn't going to make it go any faster!

    At the moment I know they're working on the technical changes having assessed all the feedback. The more technical amongst you will understand when I say that tech teams in the Beeb use scrum methodology.

    en.wikipedia.org/wik...

    I'll leave the technical people here to explain what Scrum development is to the less technical people over the weekend - I'm off until Monday now.

    Have a great weekend, enjoy the sports fixtures that are on, and see you all next week.

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  • Message 253

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    Posted by andyp1965 (U15125447) on Friday, 16th March 2012

    Peta

    Any changes that have been made have been very minor and I have acknowledged those I have spotted in previous posts. However the main problems of the layout, navigation and the colour choices for those who suffer from colour blindness have not been addressed.

    The main point is that the people responsible have not said what changes are being worked on and from the way they have maintained their blogs it seems highly unlikely that they will.

    As an IT specialist who has more than dabbled in web development, I can safely say that many of those changes should be simple and not have taken the seven weeks to do what little has been done.

    To be frank these people are hiding from their customers. Many of whom have deserted the Sports website for pastures new. Ben Gallop cannot even be bothered to close down his own blog.

    As for the complaints procedure, can you blame me for my skepticism when the replys are just a standard reply. It seems that a complaint is not a complaint until you jump through a dozen hoops.

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  • Message 254

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    Posted by andyp1965 (U15125447) on Friday, 16th March 2012

    Latest example of crazy page layout:

    www.bbc.co.uk/sport/...

    BTW Scrum is less of a tool for development and more a management philosophy and like that other IT management method ITIL it provides a wall of bureaucracy for the incompetent manager to hide behind.

    They both do have some advantages, but only when governed by a fair degree of common sense, which seems to be missing here.

    For instance, who set a target to create insanely narrow columns which result in the example I have given above. And who chose a colour scheme which breaches the BBC's own policy on colour blindness.

    Properly managed, neither should have happened, but they did.

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  • Message 255

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Friday, 16th March 2012


    That's design - not scrum.

    (Back to my supper now)

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  • Message 256

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    Posted by Matt (U15052705) on Friday, 16th March 2012

    Latest example of crazy page layout:

    www.bbc.co.uk/sport/...

    BTW Scrum is less of a tool for development and more a management philosophy and like that other IT management method ITIL it provides a wall of bureaucracy for the incompetent manager to hide behind.

    They both do have some advantages, but only when governed by a fair degree of common sense, which seems to be missing here.

    For instance, who set a target to create insanely narrow columns which result in the example I have given above. And who chose a colour scheme which breaches the BBC's own policy on colour blindness.

    Properly managed, neither should have happened, but they did. 
    This
    whole
    site
    is
    a
    mess
    when
    will
    something
    be
    done?

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  • Message 257

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    Posted by ab1977 (U15137811) on Friday, 16th March 2012

    scrum? i thought the point of scrum was that for each "sprint" there was a review. If this was the case then things would have worked, rather than so many different areas not working. Maybe its not the developers issue afterall, as each developer just got his own "sprint" which was build a picture box with a horrific white box sitting over it!
    Sprint Review outcome - yes, picture box has horrific white box over it.
    Conclision - move onto next "sprint".

    being a developer myself, i can't claim to have amazing design skills, however i do know that its not acceptable to develop something full of so many bugs. Maybe in my company if we had a designer who wears a hat, then even though we don't release bug ridden code, we could at least say we released horrific looking programs.

    maybe thats something we should aim for. make all applications this horrific looking then no one will know any different and learn to accept it.

    oh, and still no reply to complaint, or follow up...

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  • Message 258

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    Posted by Think Tank (U15039872) on Friday, 16th March 2012

    Matt

    You attempt, whilst admirable, fails to capture the true scale of the problem.

    If I may?







                                                                          HEADLINES

                                                                          You say
                                                                          that the
                                                                          entire site
                                                                          is a mess.

                                                                          What you
                                                                          say is true
                                                                          but it
                                                                          ignores
                                                                          the fact
                                                                          that the
                                                                          the text,
                                                                          as well as
                                                                          being laid
                                                                          out
                                                                          ridiculously
                                                                          in terms
                                                                          of the size
                                                                          of the
                                                                          column is
                                                                          also not
                                                                          where the
                                                                          description
                                                                          suggests it
                                                                          should be.
                                                                          For example
                                                                           - it's
                                                                          reasonable
                                                                          to expect
                                                                          the headlines
                                                                          to be at
                                                                          the top of
                                                                          the page.

                                                                          It's also
                                                                          very
                                                                          annoying to
    +----------------------------------------------------------+ get
    |                                                                                  | an image
    |                                                                                  | break
    |                                                                                  | into the
    |                                                                                  | flow of
    |                                                                                  | the story
    |                                                                                  | for no
    +----------------------------------------------------------+ apparent
                                                                          rhyme or
                                                                          reason.

                                                                          As I said
                                                                          in a post to
                                                                          Ben Gallop
                                                                          on his blog,
                                                        How would
                                                        he feel if
                                                        everyone
                                                        who was
                                                        trying to
                                                        impart some
                                                        information
                                                                          to him sent
                                                                           him a
                                                                          message
                                                                          formatted
                                                                          like this?
                                                                          Not the
                                                        easiest
                                                        thing to
                                                        read - is
                                                        it?

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  • Message 259

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    Posted by Squirrel (U961634) on Friday, 16th March 2012


    That's very impressive Think Tank and probably fits the BBC design style criteria.

    smiley - tongueincheek

    It really makes the point well.

    What a shame the people who came up with that criteria document will never see it here.. smiley - doh

    smiley - sadface

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  • Message 260

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    Posted by lauriemar (U8562848) on Friday, 16th March 2012

    Now, I've noticed a tendency for the Sport website to get rather silly. I do my best to keep things moving along, but I'm not having things getting silly. Recent comments have been very silly indeed, and that last one about the Sport website was even sillier. Now, nobody likes a good laugh more than I do...except perhaps my wife and some of her friends...oh yes and Captain Johnston. Come to think of it most people likes a good laugh more than I do. But that's beside the point. Now, let's have a good clean healthy BBC Sport website.

    So I thought I would have a look at the 'World Olympic Dreams' page. I am given the opportunity to 'Meet six of our athletes'... who are these athletes? Brazilian rugby players, Ex Pakistan hockey coach Michel van den Heuvel, Sarah Menezes the Brazilian Judo star, Indian boxer Mary Kom, Australian swimmer Emily Seebohm, and Ben Oakley, Head of Sport and Fitness, Open University. How silly is that?

    No I'm sorry, I'm not prepared to pursue my line of enquiry any further as I think this is getting too silly.Quite agree. Quite agree. Silly. Silly...silly. Right get on with it. Get on with it.

    Acknowledgments to Monty Python.

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  • Message 261

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    Posted by Think Tank (U15039872) on Saturday, 17th March 2012


    That's very impressive Think Tank and probably fits the BBC design style criteria.

    smiley - tongueincheek

    It really makes the point well.

     


    Squirrel - what REALLY makes the point is the pre-makeover version of that post. For comparison:



    HEADLINES

    You say that the entire site is a mess. What you say is true but it ignores the fact that the the text, as well as being laid out ridiculously in terms of the size of the column is also not where the description suggests it should be. For example - it's reasonable to expect the headlines to be at the top of the page.

    It's also very annoying to get an image break into the flow of the story for no apparent rhyme or reason.

    As I said in a post to Ben Gallop on his blog, How would he feel if everyone who was trying to impart some information to him sent him a message formatted like this? Not the easiest thing to read - is it?



    Which is easier to read? Well, to borrow a phrase from a commercial, Simples!

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  • Message 262

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    Posted by Radioactiveoldduffer (U4768882) on Saturday, 17th March 2012

    Just to keep everyone informed I enclose the following reply from the BBC Trust:


    Thank you for your email, of 8 March 2012, to the BBC Trust. I am responding as a member of the BBC Trust Unit which advises and supports the Chairman and Trustees.

    I note your comments regarding the re-launch of the BBC Sports website.
    I was sorry to read that you are unhappy with the changes and that you feel the BBC is reluctant to respond to comments and suggestions about it.

    I can assure you that the BBC values audience members' feedback highly, and takes any comments and complaints seriously.

    However, I should explain that the role of the BBC Trust is distinct from that of the BBC's management and it has no role in day to day editorial issues or operational matters, such as the design and management of the Sport website.

    The Trust's role is to set the overall strategy for the BBC and the Editorial Guidelines, which set out the values and standards that all BBC output should meet. Responsibility for the BBC's operational management and editorial content, within this strategy and these Guidelines, rests ultimately with the Director-General, as Editor-in-Chief.

    I understand that you raised your concerns previously, concerning the Beta version of the website; however, I should explain that if you would like to make a complaint about the website or an instance where you feel the BBC has not met expected standards, you can do so using the BBC complaints process, details of which are available at www.bbc.co.uk/complaints.

    If you remain unhappy with the responses you receive, you can of course escalate your complaint using the process outlined on the complaints website.

    I hope this is helpful and thank you for bringing your views to our attention.

    Yours sincerely

    Elizabeth Grogan
    BBC Trust Unit


    It's good that I received the reply but as my original correspondence was not so much about the poor sports page format but on the fact that complaints were not being dealt with in line with BBC policies. If the management of the BBC is not listening to the majority of views of the users then I would have thought that the BBC Trust would want to ask some questions of their own. This is now one if not the largest amount of complaints to the BBC on non programme subjects and the complaints in the main have been logical and informed so keep chipping away till we have some constructive answers from those responsible.

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  • Message 263

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    Posted by andyp1965 (U15125447) on Monday, 19th March 2012

    Looks like the Invisible Ben is getting his way again. No posts on here for two days now

    I think we are all getting tired of the non-action and no communication and most of all the patronizing pap they expect ups to believe.

    So it's goodbye from me and goodbye from them. I hope the BBC enjoys their latest hit figures for the site. I know it won't make pretty reading.

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  • Message 264

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    Posted by Think Tank (U15039872) on Monday, 19th March 2012

    Looks like the Invisible Ben is getting his way again. No posts on here for two days now

    I think we are all getting tired of the non-action and no communication and most of all the patronizing pap they expect ups to believe.

    So it's goodbye from me and goodbye from them. I hope the BBC enjoys their latest hit figures for the site. I know it won't make pretty reading.
     
    I think you're right - the standard Ben tactic seems to be working - and to be fair (and not give Ben all of the credit for this despicable behaviour) I'm not entirely sure it's only Ben.

    The important word may have been "looks". It might be best to wait until all of the various levels of complaints have run their course before we assume this is a done deal.

    MP's, Head of Unit, Trust, CMS ... who knows who might yet wade in?

    Seems to have done for the DG though ... we complain and he announces he's leaving ... connection?

    (Prob not)

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  • Message 265

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    Posted by gareth4037 (U15135745) on Tuesday, 20th March 2012

    I wouldn't worry. With each bad redesign the support for the license fee erodes and people like Ben become more isolated.

    I found it ironic that the site was redesigned to allow for greater video content to be delivered to the user. It was confirmed yesterday that there will be no more horse racing on the BBC. Coupled with rumours that Championship football is soon to go there won't be very much video content to be delivered via the site.

    Perhaps it will then revert back to well-written text. All the users will be long gone though, along with the license fee.

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  • Message 266

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    Posted by mesmerizingfc01 (U14325121) on Tuesday, 20th March 2012

    I made a complaint via the official BBC complaints site about the new design of the sports site on 9th Feb no reply, so I complained on 12th March about not receiving a reply to my original complaint, it's now 20th March and still no reply.

    I will not let the BBC sweep my complaints under the carpet. The longer they ignore my complaints then the more resolute I become.

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  • Message 267

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    Posted by andyp1965 (U15125447) on Tuesday, 20th March 2012

    Peta

    Would it be too much for you to ask Ben to make a statement on what is actually being done on the website. We were told that we were being listened too, but there seems to have been no sign of that at all.

    Surely four weeks is too long to go without any comment at all from the instigator of all this.

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  • Message 268

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    Posted by UK_Gweilo (U15124754) on Tuesday, 20th March 2012

    A statement with details of the actions being taken with the website and target dates for the actioned to be achieved would bee nice to see......Somehow i don't think it will happen.

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  • Message 269

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    Posted by Bankhayes (U15138641) on Tuesday, 20th March 2012

    Don't expect Peta to reply to this question. She only answers when she can repeat previous announcements from the sports team.
    It can't be fun, though, being the only target brave enough to make any comment at all.

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  • Message 270

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    Posted by Radioactiveoldduffer (U4768882) on Tuesday, 20th March 2012

    Don't expect Peta to reply to this question. She only answers when she can repeat previous announcements from the sports team.
    It can't be fun, though, being the only target brave enough to make any comment at all. 
    Full marks to her for trying to find out information on our behalf. I did notice that there's now a sports desk on the news that is decked out in the vile black on yellow so I guess there's no way they will change the web colours. Shame someone didn't point out that staring at the yellow on a white monitor screen is slightly different to a glimpse of yellow in a studio setting.

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  • Message 271

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Tuesday, 20th March 2012

    Peta

    Would it be too much for you to ask Ben to make a statement on what is actually being done on the website. We were told that we were being listened too, but there seems to have been no sign of that at all.

    Surely four weeks is too long to go without any comment at all from the instigator of all this. 

    Hi andy

    I'm afraid I'm just a minion! I can't tell senior people in other departments what to do!

    Although if I get the Director General job... smiley - winkeye

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  • Message 272

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    Posted by Squirrel (U961634) on Tuesday, 20th March 2012

    Although if I get the Director General job... 
    ...You will have to stop communicating with the viewers! smiley - winkeye

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  • Message 273

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Tuesday, 20th March 2012


    Noooooooooo ! smiley - yikes

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  • Message 274

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    Posted by andyp1965 (U15125447) on Tuesday, 20th March 2012

    Go for it Peta!!! smiley - ok

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  • Message 275

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    Posted by Bankhayes (U15138641) on Tuesday, 20th March 2012

    No but you could ASK them politely and see if you get any reply at all....

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  • Message 276

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    Posted by masterville (U15197509) on Thursday, 22nd March 2012

    maybe james you and ben gallop should heed the words of the Ray Muzyka in dealing with negative feedback.
    In a blog post, Bioware co-founder Ray Muzyka described the feedback as "incredibly painful".

    "Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the high ratings offered by critics - but out of respect to our fans, we need to accept the criticism and feedback with humility," he said.

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  • Message 277

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    Posted by Radioactiveoldduffer (U4768882) on Friday, 23rd March 2012

    Ray Muzyka works for a commercial company that relies on the good will of it's customers for its future, alas, the BBC do not and that is the difference in attitudes to complaints especially regarding this topic.

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  • Message 278

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    Posted by Radioactiveoldduffer (U4768882) on Saturday, 24th March 2012

    Have a look at these two pages and tell me what is the more professional and involving and probably done with a fraction of the BBC's resources.

    www.bbc.co.uk/sport/...

    www1.skysports.com/f...

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  • Message 279

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    Posted by bridged (U15153356) on Saturday, 24th March 2012

    Peta

    Would it be too much for you to ask Ben to make a statement on what is actually being done on the website. We were told that we were being listened too, but there seems to have been no sign of that at all.

    Surely four weeks is too long to go without any comment at all from the instigator of all this. 

    Hi andy

    I'm afraid I'm just a minion! I can't tell senior people in other departments what to do!

    Although if I get the Director General job... smiley - winkeye 
    Thanks for the replies Peta.

    You may not be able to instruct senior people in other departments, but by asking straight forward questions, or by passing a relevant comment from one of the various aggrieved site users (often in fact from people who used to use the site, who would love to return), it could shame him into making a statement of what changes have been made, and what others are in the pipeline.

    It's worth a try, and if the question is asked in the right way, the recipient would look petty to complain about it.

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  • Message 280

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    Posted by masterville (U15197509) on Sunday, 25th March 2012

    Have the sports editors blogs been closed down due to the weight of critisism?
    one new blog in over a month about sports relief closed after 8 comments (most critisising the new sports site) within TWO days?? Whats happening BBC ?

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  • Message 281

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Monday, 26th March 2012


    one new blog in over a month about sports relief closed after 8 comments (most critisising the new sports site) within TWO days??

    Whats happening BBC ?  


    It sounds like what is happening is that some people are posting off topic comments about the sports website on other unrelated sports blogs masterville.

    I wouldn't think that disrupting other sports blogs like this would help in any way.

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  • Message 282

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    Posted by masterville (U15197509) on Monday, 26th March 2012

    Peta
    A pretty weak excuse with all due respect.
    The last blog was about the new Sports site, which as you know has attracted thousands of negative comments. The blog writer has not responded since closing that blog. The one blog tjhat has appeared in over a month was closed after 2 days. Is closing blogs if they get too critical a new tactic? In the past off topic posts were hidden or removed so to say complaints about the sports site are off topic and thats why there have been no sports editor blogs bar that 1 for over a month is a tad disengenious.

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  • Message 283

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Monday, 26th March 2012

    That's not what I said.

    I said, that it sounds like what is happening is that some people are posting off topic comments about the sports website on other unrelated sports blogs.

    I wouldn't think that disrupting other sports blogs like this would help in any way.

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  • Message 284

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    Posted by DBOne (U14389107) ** on Monday, 26th March 2012

    I see that they have made two changes....

    * A reduction in the amount of yellow (video controls etc are not yellow now until you are over the image)
    * The football fixtures/results are in date order

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  • Message 285

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    Posted by masterville (U15197509) on Monday, 26th March 2012

    Not wanting to get into an argument..indeed I will make no further comment about the blogs on here after this..but that is what you said.
    There has been 1 sports editor blog in over a month. It received 8 comments and was closed after 2 days.
    to say that because a blog written weeks after the last sports editor blog gets some comments which may be off topic is why there have been no sports editor blogs is pretty silly.
    It appears most posters realise the sports editors are using the "hide away and hope it all blows over" tactic which is really disrespectful to posters.
    And also to be fair Peta your comments suggest you havent even looked at the blog which has been closed after 8 comments and 2 days.

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  • Message 286

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Monday, 26th March 2012

    Not wanting to get into an argument..indeed I will make no further comment about the blogs on here after this..but that is what you said.

    There has been 1 sports editor blog in over a month. It received 8 comments and was closed after 2 days. to say that because a blog written weeks after the last sports editor blog gets some comments which may be off topic is why there have been no sports editor blogs is pretty silly.  


    No, that's not what I said at all. That's what you suggested had happened.

    The sports editors will continue to new post blog posts when they have something to say. Spamming new blog posts with unrelated comments will not help in any way.

    All blogs - across the whole BBC - automatically close to new comments after two days. The last Sports Editor's blog about the sports site was manually reopened in order to enable people to make comments for a much longer duration and was closed well over a week later.

    I haven't read the Sports Editor's blog post about Sports Relief, but as I say, they all close after two days, unless there's a special reason to keep them open for longer. Sports Relief has finished, so manually reopening it now would serve no purpose.

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  • Message 287

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Monday, 26th March 2012

    I see that they have made two changes....

    * A reduction in the amount of yellow (video controls etc are not yellow now until you are over the image)
    * The football fixtures/results are in date order
     

    Yes, changes are being made after feedback received on the blogs.

    You'll continue to see updates and changes over the next few weeks and months, as new code changes are implemented.

    Thanks to everyone who added their feedback through all the various routes. smiley - ok

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  • Message 288

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    This posting has been hidden during moderation because it broke the House Rules in some way.

  • Message 289

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    Posted by masterville (U15197509) on Monday, 26th March 2012

    "You'll continue to see updates and changes over the next few weeks and months, as new code changes are implemented. "

    Why have the Sports Editors told youi this and not the "customers"?

    and it is a sad day that months after ithe sites downgrade was introduction it is seen as a triumph that the football scores are almost legible now..

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  • Message 290

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Monday, 26th March 2012

    Why have the Sports Editors told youi this and not the "customers"?  

    They said it publicly on their blog. You'll find details and information about the proposed plans on their blog here:

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    Our new website - next steps

    It's now nearly three weeks since we relaunched the BBC Sport website and I wanted to update you on where we are with this on-going project - including the sorts of issues we are looking at for the next round of changes, based on the feedback we continue to receive.

    Before I do that, a word on how we are communicating to you about these changes. Unfortunately it isn't practical to post comments in response to every individual message we receive - so I hope you understand that it makes more sense to provide broader updates like this one on a regular basis. By blogging in this way we are at least able to reach a larger proportion of the audience and can address the widest range of questions and concerns.

    And just to avoid any confusion, our other blogs on the relaunch have now been closed to new comments, so the place to have your say on this issue is here. We are also continuing our site survey which allows us to canvas a wider range of opinion - feel free to get involved with that too.

    But on to the matter at hand. We have been through a number of major changes since we first launched the BBC Sport website, back in 2000. Every time we have done so, it has involved enormous upheaval for everyone and some major design, editorial and technical challenges.

    Our number one priority at times like this has always been to make sure the site continues to function properly - so to that end, much of our energy has been directed at resolving the technical problems we have encountered in the past week or so with our dynamically updating live pages.

    These problems have meant that the live text commentary pages have not been updating automatically - users have had to refresh the pages themselves to see new entries. We are sorry if you have been affected by these problems, which are not actually related to the relaunch of the site. Our technical teams are working hard to resolve the issues - and in the meantime we will continue to provide the best possible alternative, in the form of pages that require manual updating. It may not be ideal, but it at least enables us to cover as much live sport as usual until the underlying problem is solved.

    In terms of the on-going work to improve our web product, I need to reiterate that we do take account of all the feedback we receive - including every message on the blog. We treat audience research seriously and will continue to absorb the comments we receive and then take considered, strategic decisions based on the key priorities.

    So in terms of themes that continue to come up, here are some areas we are actively looking at:

    • Formatting of results and fixtures - we know there has been some frustration with the way our pages that display up-coming football matches are laid out. In particular there have been calls to still see all the fixtures in all divisions on any given day. We're sorry this facility isn't currently available - but I want to assure you we are working to bring it back as a priority. I can't yet say when the issue will be resolved, as it represents a significant technical deployment - but it is being looked at.

    • Reflecting the BBC sport brand - as I have mentioned before, yellow and black are the colours of BBC Sport's on-air brand, so it is appropriate that they are represented on the website. However, in response to some of your feedback, we are considering potentially reducing the usage of yellow on particular pages.

    • Headlines on the homepage - our new-look Sport homepage is designed to showcase a whole host of different types of content, everything from video and audio to scores and league tables. We know that many of you just want to scan the headlines of the big sports stories of the day - and that is one of the reasons we have introduced a new flexible, image-heavy section at the top of the homepage, which allows us to highlight the main stories and events. But we will keep looking at the most effective way to balance the top stories and allow headline scanning - and we will test any potential further changes before introducing them onto the live site.

    • Videprinter - we know some of you are missing the videprinter, ie the single page containing all the latest scores as they come in, across all football divisions. We are investigating ways we can bring this service back, while still retaining the separate divisional live scores pages which we know many others prefer to use. In the meantime, the 'old videprinter' can be found here and will remain available until 'videprinter mkII' is launched.

    So that's a list of some of the priority areas of focus for us. It's not exhaustive and I realise I haven't provided full detail on exactly what we plan to do.

    But I will stress what I said in my original blog post about this relaunch - which is that we will not be making knee-jerk changes. We have already implemented immediate fixes to mend 'broken' elements on the site (including the 'flashing' banner and video which automatically played on certain pages) but other changes need more consideration and testing, and our software developers require time and space to put them into place.

    Even though there may be no instant changes to announce right now, that does not mean we are ignoring any issues that you have raised. We will come back to this blog to let you know as and when we have more specific news to announce.  

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  • Message 291

    , in reply to message 287.

    Posted by Spinning_head (U10049943) on Monday, 26th March 2012

    You'll continue to see updates and changes over the next few weeks and months, as new code changes are implemented. 

    Simply applying 'tweaks' to the existing site will not be enough. The whole design premise of the site has been questioned by many people. This, above all, is what annoyed me. The site is ugly to look at and doesn't attract me to bother visiting it. The colour combinations on the Sport homepage, for instance are odd. We have light green headings and light blue text - very hard on the eyes.

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  • Message 292

    , in reply to message 290.

    Posted by masterville (U15197509) on Monday, 26th March 2012

    Peta
    Sorry I thought your comment was an update not just taken from a 6 week old blog.

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  • Message 293

    , in reply to message 291.

    Posted by masterville (U15197509) on Monday, 26th March 2012

    #290
    Sorry Peta I thought your comment was new information not a comment made in a 6 week old blog.

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  • Message 294

    , in reply to message 293.

    Posted by masterville (U15197509) on Monday, 26th March 2012

    oops sorry i thought #293 hadnt posted.

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  • Message 295

    , in reply to message 284.

    Posted by DBOne (U14389107) ** on Monday, 26th March 2012

    I missed one - the top left hand corner 'tags' that told you what sport was in the picture (and linked to its homepage) have also gone - certainly makes the pages look less cluttered.






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  • Message 296

    , in reply to message 295.

    Posted by masterville (U15197509) on Monday, 26th March 2012

    Yes its been a real success story the new site where even its "fans" have to play spot the tweak lol.

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  • Message 297

    , in reply to message 286.

    Posted by andyp1965 (U15125447) on Monday, 26th March 2012

    Peta

    I think you'll find that the blog was shut on the 24th. Sports Relief finished yesterday on the 25th. Unless the Sports Relief mile was somehow unconnected.

    And as others have said, if the moderators thought the the posts were off topic they could have removed them as they would normally do.

    The blog was closed because Ben et al thought the coast was clear and dived back behind the sofa when they found that it wasn't.

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  • Message 298

    , in reply to message 297.

    This posting has been hidden during moderation because it broke the House Rules in some way.

  • Message 299

    , in reply to message 297.

    Posted by Peta (U24) on Monday, 26th March 2012

    Peta

    I think you'll find that the blog was shut on the 24th. Sports Relief finished yesterday on the 25th. Unless the Sports Relief mile was somehow unconnected.

    And as others have said, if the moderators thought the the posts were off topic they could have removed them as they would normally do.

    The blog was closed because Ben et al thought the coast was clear and dived back behind the sofa when they found that it wasn't. 
    Hi andy

    The blog closed automatically after two days, as they do across the BBC. Check the date of the blog.

    Spamming off topic on unrelated blogs is just a waste of time. Ben won't be reading all blogs, just in case you can be asked to spam unrelated ones.

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  • Message 300

    , in reply to message 299.

    Posted by chancedog (U1658952) on Monday, 26th March 2012

    Peta

    I think you'll find that the blog was shut on the 24th. Sports Relief finished yesterday on the 25th. Unless the Sports Relief mile was somehow unconnected.

    And as others have said, if the moderators thought the the posts were off topic they could have removed them as they would normally do.

    The blog was closed because Ben et al thought the coast was clear and dived back behind the sofa when they found that it wasn't. 
    Hi andy

    The blog closed automatically after two days, as they do across the BBC. Check the date of the blog.

    Spamming off topic on unrelated blogs is just a waste of time. Ben won't be reading all blogs, just in case you can be asked to spam unrelated ones.  
    Hi Peta,

    First of all, thank you for continually putting your head above the parapet and continuing to post on this subject.

    Having said that, I think you have been let down badly by some of your BBC colleagues regarding the sports website.

    Regarding your statement about blogs closing after 2 days, as they do across the BBC, here is a quote from the BBC internet blog www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    "Staff from the BBC's online and technology teams talk about BBC Online, BBC iPlayer, and the BBC's digital and mobile services. The blog is reactively moderated. Posts are normally closed for comment after three months. Your host is Ian McDonald (IM). "

    Good job the sports website blogs didn't stay open for 3 months, the team wouldn't have had time to read all the comments generated. Of course, they could just say they read them all, couldn't they.

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