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    Posted by Guv-nor (U7476305) on Monday, 13th June 2011

    When 606 was closed sport coverage, even in the context of scheduling, presentation and other non partisan points of view, was a subject banned here.

    I imagine with the announcement that the Religion and Ethics boards are to be closed it will no longer be possible for people to sing the praises of such programmes as 'The Nativity' or express their joy or otherwise for a particular edition of 'Songs of Praise'
    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

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    Posted by March Hare (U14471018) on Monday, 13th June 2011

    Yup, just like they closed all the radio threads and replaced them with 'blogs' which are awful, not half as interactive or accessible (and makes it virtually inpossible to post a complaint).

    After all, God forbid there should be a negative view or a criticism over what the awful aunty does with our money.

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    Posted by Returningthrice (U14708305) on Monday, 13th June 2011

    Wanting to have a mutter about the commentary on the tennis - searched for "the relevant blog" via the BBC Sport website, only to end up on one that was closed.smiley - biggrin

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    Posted by zelda (U2012536) on Monday, 13th June 2011

    The blogs are awful and there is no where to talk about anything we really want to talk about. Good old BBC - they really don't like criticism.

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    Posted by Marc Mywordes (U14259750) on Monday, 13th June 2011

    Is it not our our BBC?

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    Posted by Prophet Tenebrae (U5995226) on Monday, 13th June 2011

    Only in the same way it's "our" government. The bills are real but any perception of choice or influence one has are merely an illusion.

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    Posted by Portly (U1381981) ** on Monday, 13th June 2011

    I am not the biggest fan of motor racing, but the Canadian Grand Prix on Monday night turned out to be a supendously exciting live TV event. So I'm heartily glad the schedule was dropped as the race was an unforgettable experience.

    On the other hand, it is natural that those viewers who were waiting with bated breath to see the likes of "Neil Oliver and Dr. Alice Roberts go mushroom hunting in the Trossachs" would be pretty miffed.

    Surely their complaints fit the billing "Share your thoughts and pose your questions on BBC Television programmes." smiley - biggrin

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    Posted by Guv-nor (U7476305) on Monday, 13th June 2011

    I have no objection to such discussions, but it seems the powers that be do have an objection. Such objections seemed to start when the sport messageboard was closed. Therefore my question and the subject of this thread is will religion programming be banned now the Religion and Ethics boards are closing.

    Not everything is about sport.

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    Posted by BBC auto-messages (U294) on Monday, 13th June 2011

    Editorial Note: This conversation has been moved from 'BBC Television ' to 'The BBC'.

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    Posted by Ceiderduck (U14588518) on Monday, 13th June 2011

    Guv-hello! I was wondering the same earlier about religious programming when I heard the news about the Religion boards. I didn't actually realise that the sporting crackdown coincided with the closure of 606.

    Not that we can expect an answer from POV, because not a word has been forthcoming from that quarter for around a month now....apart from closing threads.

    I don't expect that these boards will be around much longer at this rate.

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    Posted by Guv-nor (U7476305) on Monday, 13th June 2011

    I am beginning to doubt our life expectancy as well. I hadn't noticed yours when I started this thread and of course now it has been moved I failed to notice my own.

    Each board seem to get less and less time between announcement and closure than the last, which when it comes eventually to The Archers will no doubt be seconds.

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    Posted by Ceiderduck (U14588518) on Monday, 13th June 2011

    They might be best advised to give little notice there, if that happens(though I doubt it will anytime soon). There'll be hell to pay there!

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    Posted by Lawrence Jones (U4805414) on Wednesday, 15th June 2011

    "Yup, just like they closed all the radio threads and replaced them with 'blogs' which are awful, not half as interactive or accessible (and makes it virtually inpossible to post a complaint)."

    Has anyone ever sat down and worked out the cost of all these producers, controllers and other radio ‘personalities’ placing their ‘postings’ on - for example - the Radio 4 blog? Haven’t they got he message with the 1 – 2 responses? The on-line community simply voted with their feet after being treated like oily rags year after year after…….and , of course, ‘Feedback’s’ refusal to address their complaints accelerated the acrimony. It’s no wonder that some messageboard hosts became jaded and disillusioned when they devoted a great deal of time nurturing threads – and received no support from their senior BBC colleagues.

    Interesting how none of these radio ‘personalities’ (Edward Reardon was the exception) could be bothered posting on the R4 messageboards when some threads were crying out for contributions from producers, writers, presenters, controllers, commissioning editors…….. Is it any wonder that contributors simply gave up and left?

    I am open to correction, but as far as I’m aware the only controller to ever post on a BBC messageboard was Andy Parfitt (R1 controller). As far as R4 is concerned, Helen Boaden, Mark Damazer and Gwyneth Williams never posted (identifiably) on an R4 messageboard. Mr. Damazer was particularly hostile to boarders with his refusal to give the boards any support during his tenure. Roger Bolton never challenged him once on this subject when interviewed on ‘Feedback’.

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    Posted by zelda (U2012536) on Wednesday, 15th June 2011

    The 5 live blog section is a dogs dinner. Hard to navigate and they close the blogs after a very short space of time. Many blogs (may of them trivia personified) have no contributions and as I say, if they do, they close them as being off topic. We have nowhere to comment on 5live output. It's a disgrace that the BBC will not allow the people who pay for it any say on the station and its output.

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    Posted by Joe K (U5367586) on Thursday, 16th June 2011

    Lawrence Jones:
    Interesting how none of these radio ‘personalities’ (Edward Reardon was the exception) could be bothered posting on the R4 messageboards when some threads were crying out for contributions from producers, writers, presenters, controllers, commissioning editors…….. Is it any wonder that contributors simply gave up and left?  
    Have to add a 'big up' to John Finnemore, writer/actor on 'Cabin Pressure' and 'The Now Show', who posted to a discussion about the latter, answering a query/mini-rant about the passenger capacity of the plane from the former, charmingly. But it would be lovely if more 'celebs' engaged on the boards. They probably find it a bit 'nerdy', and then some really don't have the time (you can get a bit sucked in, and suddenly there's a backlog of work...)

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    Posted by Joe K (U5367586) on Thursday, 16th June 2011

    Oops, that should have been 'former'...

    Can't say I'll miss the 'flea' when the BBC becomes completely irrelevant online (barring iPlayer), though.

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    Posted by Lawrence Jones (U4805414) on Thursday, 16th June 2011

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    Thanks Joe K and there were a few more. It’s worthwhile studying the history of BBC messageboards. For example, the reason given for the closure of non-specific (allegedly) boards was to concentrate on boards related to programmes. So boarders went along with that and guess what, the programme’s staff – producers and presenters - didn’t give a jot of support to their own messageboards[1]. Two of us kept ‘The Message’ MB alive on our own and I actually emailed Anna at one point because I was so concerned at the lack of support for The Learning Curve MB. There were some highly qualified contributors to that board (Ph.D’s, holders of university chairs in education…continued p234). Woman’s Hour used to host TWO message boards and they ignored both of them for years (this was before the last one took off). Recall the noticeable misfire in Ms. Burridge’s voice when Mr Bolton asked her why the WH board was closed down (during interview on Feedback)? I detailed the experiences of contributors to the DID board during all the recent hype for the listeners’ favourite records on the R4 blog. My posting was ‘hidden’ when I hadn’t broken any posting rules, but clearly someone within R4 didn’t want it known how the station treats genuine radio enthusiasts.

    On another occasion – when R3 was starting to close some of its boards – Mr. Roger Wright was interviewed (on Feedback) and it was clear that he didn’t have a clue about the BBC MBs. A woman contacted the programme and asked where she could now post about ‘Choral Evensong’. Mr Wright wasn’t even aware that the Radio POV was still in existence at that time and the R3 listener could have posted her thoughts on that board.

    I hope all the redundant hosts and moderators narrate some of these stories when applying for new jobs. Peta’s devotion to duty was legendary – she’d often pop on to the boards at weekends during her private time and check out that things were running smoothly. Now that’s what I call real devotion to duty! Take note Gwyneth Williams and Mark Damazer – and I’m sure that Peta’s life is just as busy as yours. And Peta wasn’t snooty – and she never rambled on about Oxbridge universities.

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    [1] Staff working on ‘Traveller’s Tree’ were an exception and did support their board

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    Posted by Returningthrice (U14708305) on Thursday, 16th June 2011

    This isn't a permitted subject but as regards John Finnemore and Cabin Pressure and in the absence of a Radio 4 board

    It's back for a third series - Cabin Pressure I mean, 11.30 1st July. Hooray!

    Sorry, will tiptoe off again now.

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    Posted by Ceiderduck (U14588518) on Saturday, 18th June 2011

    Bit of circular logic going on here:

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    It's well known the BBC want us all corralled into blogs. So some of us brave them, only to be told to come back to where we came from!

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    Posted by Joe K (U5367586) on Saturday, 18th June 2011

    The blogs are really getting messed up now, I keep getting whited out, or 'we're having some problems with your posting at the moment/ trying our best to fix it' when I try to post this on the BBC Internet Blog entry about closing the religion boards:

    }}At 07:28 18th Jun 2011, Nick Reynolds wrote:
    Joe K - You can find a blog entry about the closure of the Ouch message board here.

    If you wish to have a free wheeling discussion about this topic try this thread on the Points of View message board.{{
    Thank you, Nick. The Ouch blog entry is certainly attracting seemingly universal condemnation. It is on the Ouch! blog, of course, which many wouldn't know about at all if you hadn't provided the link.

    And I have contributed to that Points Of View discussion. POV can be quite arbitrary about what they allow to be discussed, closing topics on either the 'BBC Television' *or* 'The BBC' board if they aren't about BBC Television*, so it will be interesting to see how long that thread lasts.

    *I muse again:
    BBC Television - Points Of View
    BBC Radio - Feedback
    BBC Online - Input? (who is the internet Roger Bolton, or better yet, Chris Dunkley?)


    Blogs better than boards?

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    Posted by Joe K (U5367586) on Saturday, 18th June 2011

    Finally got that comment posted in the end...

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    Posted by Lawrence Jones (U4805414) on Saturday, 18th June 2011

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    "BBC Online - Input? (who is the internet Roger Bolton, or better yet, Chris Dunkley?)"

    Feedback failed to command any respect once Chris Dunkley ceased to host the programme. One only has to note the numbers of time the programme has been snubbed by producers when Feedback has requested interviews. The R4 controller listens to Feedback every week and so it’s clear they condone such behaviour. Name one radio incident – post Chris Dunkley - when Feedback’s intervention has resolved a particular issue?

    New Media personnel tend to fairly ambitious individuals, so they wouldn’t be too keen to be a recipient of the Chris Dunkley experience. How many rungs of the New Media social ladder would they climb, standing up for the ‘Ouch’ community?

    The journalist, Jemima Kiss, has many years of experience relating to On-Line issues. A newspaper article detailing the history of BBC On-Line communication conduits would make for interesting reading (Does anyone know how much material for ‘In Touch’ is derived via ‘Ouch’?). Alternatively, ‘Confessions of a BBC Host’ or ‘Confessions of a BBC Moderator’ would be worth expending a few pence of one's hard earned dosh. Hee-hee, imagine if one bagged off with a member of BBC New Media…….and then bought them an analogue radio for their birthday smiley - laugh smiley - laugh smiley - laugh I suspect a copy of The Cure’s ‘In Between Days’ would solicit a similar grumpy face. A life of beginnings and endings must be dreadfully dull. No dE/dt within their lives smiley - sadface smiley - sadface smiley - sadface

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    Posted by Joe K (U5367586) on Saturday, 18th June 2011

    I think we may have lost her, Lawrence (shades of 'Brazil')...

    www.guardian.co.uk/t...

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    Posted by Joe K (U5367586) on Monday, 20th June 2011

    Anyhoo, apparently this is the place to have a 'free-wheeling discussion about board closures, officially sanctioned by St Nick...

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    So, how bad was it to announce the closure of the OUCH! boards?

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    Posted by Lawrence Jones (U4805414) on Thursday, 23rd June 2011



    I almost fainted when I read that article the first time JK. Ms. Kiss will be cutting her long hair before she's 40 if she continues along this dangerous path!!

    It’s only 7 years since the BBC shook in its boots after this fine piece of journalism:

    www.journalism.co.uk...

    We’ve stayed true to our school (…www.youtube.com/watc... )…and there’s a great story here for Ms. Kiss. This is what Janet Morrow – a BBC spokesperson - told Ms. Kiss in 2004: ‘"We are aware of issues with the message boards - primarily caused by the huge growth in their use - and are working to improve the service." So,why is ‘Ouch’ getting the boot and what about the Radio 4 blog debacle?

    The R4 blog – clearly under instructions from the R4 rulers – has been saturated with support from controllers, producers, editors, presenters, commissioning editors…….none of whom gave the least support to the R4 messageboards……yet it can only muster 1 – 2 responses/posting. So why hasn’t Leigh Aspin placed one of his insensitive – and nasty – closing messages, given the low levels of interest in the R4 blog?

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    Posted by Joe K (U5367586) on Friday, 24th June 2011

    Well, I wouldn't necessarily say that article would've put the fear of god in to the Beeb, but it was very interesting, all the same, particularly that bit about 'employing University students to moderate the boards'. I read on the Archers' boards that the first 500 (I think) user numbers, including the highly desirable 'mp3', were reserved and given out to students, so I clicked on someone's name at random and changed it to mp200, mp10, mp9, etc... None of them had ever posted a comment, or if they had, they'd erased their histories. Still, the Beeb must have nabbed a few of them, the ones who like to throw their weight around, to be 'prefects'...

    By R4 blog, you mean what is now the Radio 4 and 4 Extra Blog?

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    It certainly doesn't get many responses, and given the dry material they serve up, while avoiding the subjects we'd *really* like to discuss, that's not too surprising. Still, unlike the message boards, they're putting up what *they* want to put up, with very little (tolerated) disruption from us, so they probably count that as a success...

    I don't think you've seen this blog entry about the Religious message board 'changes'. 54 comments, now...

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

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    Posted by Russ (U2360818) on Friday, 24th June 2011

    Radio 4's Book of the Week has been interesting this week: it explores how human beings are born liars:
    www.bbc.co.uk/progra...

    Still, not to worry, eh? - as DD notes on his blog, "the BBC already provides spaces for debate about its programmes":
    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    Russ

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    Posted by Lawrence Jones (U4805414) on Friday, 24th June 2011

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    "the BBC already provides spaces for debate about its programmes":

    But Russ, the response was written by Mr./Dr. Nicholas Reynolds – a name well known to those of us who have had dealings with BBC New Media. I suspect he works for BBC Mars or BBC Saturn. So where are BBC Radio listeners allowed to debate – amongst themselves - the contents of programes? Why did Radio 4 refuse to support their messageboards and why has R4’s ‘Feedback’ refused to address the complaints relating to the closures of the Radio messageboards and the subsequent banning of on-line radio discussions? Why did Ms. Jennifer Murray state on this morning’s edition of Woman’s Hour that WH loves hearing from its listeners?

    “Radio 4's Book of the Week has been interesting this week: it explores how human beings are born liars”

    Well, I’m not telling lig logs when I say that I can’t speak too highly of Ms. Kiss. She devoted many frustrating hours investigating the BBC’s abuse of its messageboards for me – and even used to ring up with progress reports. I wish her well in all her endeavours.

    I’m aware of your love of drama Russ, so how about Ms. Sarah Daniels writes a play about members of BBC New Media – and their particle-like characters? How about Chris Evans writes a children’s play for R4 after his 30,000 script success?

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    Posted by lokisbrother (U14923249) on Sunday, 3rd July 2011

    all the resources to make its messageboards and blogs a warm interesting challenging community...all crumpled up with fear , arrogance and cowardise.

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    Posted by lluncoolj (U7676659) on Monday, 4th July 2011

    interesting how none of these radio ‘personalities’ ...could be bothered posting on the R4 messageboards when some threads were crying out for contributions from producers, writers, presenters, controllers, commissioning editors…….. Is it any wonder that contributors simply gave up and left? 
    This is true of other message boards. You would think that, out of sheer bloody curiosity, some production staff would dip their noses into a messageboard to gather a taste of public opinion. But no, apart from wanting contributions to the POV programme these opinions hold no interest for anyone at the Beeb.

    I have seen many posts with requests for simple information, and others containing downright inaccuracies, going completely unheeded by the programme makers.

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