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  • Message 101

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by auntshiela (U7775513) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    I am sad that the radio board has gone. I enjoyed reading it and contributing. It was a bit of fun and even at my most irritated I did no harm to anyone ...

    However, it is clear that looking at some of the figures shown previously that not many folks really did use the board. And ££££s per head of usage must be a consideration.

    Also, I do think that the way some used the board(s) has obviously been a real challenge for the BBC - not fun, just demanding, at best, and very personal to performers at worst. I would think that has needed some serious thinking for BBC folks.

    I'm sorry it has gone and the business of POV being aligned to a TV prog and not radio, I do think is just silliness. I think it is more about Points of View, however it is presented, is not the same as it was 30 years ago, cosy, with nice older chap, who made me chuckle as a child.


    We are all more aware of our right to express our POV on EVERYTHING ... and do so verrrry strongly, if we want to. And we all know that it costs money ....

    Blogging ... Auntshiela still can't add to the blog just to see what it's like.

    You say, Nick, that there will be other places to say our piece? What will those be?

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  • Message 102

    , in reply to message 100.

    Posted by minimetto (U1159894) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    Could I suggest to all our friends who are trying to make sense of Nick Reynolds and his 'rules' that we ALL make formal complaints to the BBC about this situation. 'Nick Reynolds' has drawn the short straw to be the BBC's frontman and bat off queries etc etc - he knows little about the BBC and has probably not even worked for the organisation for very long....this is obvious from his excuses. I realise that the BBC is not well known for its handling of complaints but in this situation the organisation should be given a blasting.

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  • Message 103

    , in reply to message 98.

    Posted by OfficerDibble (U1158251) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    To be honest I don't known why there was a radio board called Points of View either. Or indeed a board called "online" or "digital" since these seem to be outside the POV programme's brief. 

    Nick - if you had done the research, or indeed been mildly interested in communicating with the audience online, then you'd know that there has never been any formal (or even casual) association with the TV programme. It is just coincidence that when they came to re-design the long established Point of view boards they used the same banner logo. POV TV has never hosted it, never paid for it, and only recently sporadically posted to it.

    It is crazy that you have pulled a fast one and got the TV Producers to pay for hosting and used that as a pretext for closing everything else. The TV programme have nothing to do with "online" either... why don't you close that too?

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  • Message 104

    , in reply to message 103.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    I don't understand what you mean. The Online board has been closed too for precisely that reason - and also because it was low traffic and poor quality.

    We could have called the boards something else but this would not have necessarily got better hosting. Whereas aligning them more closely with the programme will (hopefully).

  • Message 105

    , in reply to message 104.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    "he knows little about the BBC and has probably not even worked for the organisation for very long....

    Incidentally I have worked for the BBC for twenty years.

  • Message 106

    , in reply to message 105.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    "...that there will be other places to say our piece? What will those be?"

    I don't want to give away too much but I know that my colleagues in Radio (including Jem) are working to improve radio's message boards and blogs and have some ideas for how to get better feedback.

  • Message 107

    , in reply to message 102.

    Posted by Grouchyman (U1972471) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    It seems to me Mr Reynolds has a certain vision and strong opinion on the original POV boards and for whatever reason, there seems to of been no one to stand in his way and he's just been allowed to do what ever he wants as if it's his baby alone?! What about the opinions of those who actually use the boards?

    Although it might not be a major issue to him and presumably others around him, it does strike me as a very clumsy and inconsiderate way of going about things. These boards, inc Radio, have been on line for a number of years (Not sure how many?) and have served an extremely useful purpose and given many people a straight forward way of casually discussing, criticising, asking questions between each other, so although it might not have a direct affect, it's often great feeling to be part of the whole thing.

    I personally, often listen to the radio (mainly Radio 2) and liked being able to look and/or contribute to the Radio POVs every now and again as well as the Television board. On the other hand, I have watched "Points of View" about once in the last 5 years - not because I avoid deliberately, it's just that it's not on when I'm watching the TV!
    Does this mean that the POV TV board will also become less relevant to me I wonder?

    Whilst I might not lose sleep over the issue it does wrankle with me alot as it shows total disregard for those of us who enjoy these boards!

    I may well put forward my objections to the powers that and hope other will to.

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  • Message 108

    , in reply to message 100.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    GavinCorder - POV the TV programme doesn't discuss radio specifically but it does sometimes discuss BBC stories. Which is why we have left the BBC board open.

  • Message 109

    , in reply to message 106.

    Posted by Spinning_head (U10049943) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    Afternoon Nick,

    "...that there will be other places to say our piece? What will those be?"

    I don't want to give away too much but I know that my colleagues in Radio (including Jem) are working to improve radio's message boards and blogs and have some ideas for how to get better feedback. 


    Good news. Even so, wouldn't it have been polite to either keep the radio board, until the new one(s) were up and running, or moved it to a more suitable location on the BBC website?

    For now, licence payers have no place to express GENERAL views on radio.

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  • Message 110

    , in reply to message 105.

    Posted by PhilW (U1357752) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    what are the purpose of hosts now

    they appear to be glorified mods...just closing treads and admonishing posters


    in the good old days hosts use to help posters and answer queries or find the answers if they didnt know


    why has the function of the host changed..

    did nick ever speak to the likes of lee or peta or the sadly missed doug even and ask what they did on these boards





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  • Message 111

    , in reply to message 110.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    "in the good old days hosts use to help posters and answer queries or find the answers if they didnt know"

    And I will do my best to do this.

  • Message 112

    , in reply to message 104.

    Posted by OfficerDibble (U1158251) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    I don't understand what you mean. The Online board has been closed too for precisely that reason - and also because it was low traffic and poor quality.

    We could have called the boards something else but this would not have necessarily got better hosting. Whereas aligning them more closely with the programme will (hopefully). 


    sorry Nick, my mistake.... there is no logic... I meant to say The BBC board - what has that got to do with the POV TV programme? There is no sense to the moves.... the issue is the message boards need updating with a professional design and no-one at the BBC listens to the audience. You ignore all that and try to fix an issue that wasn't an issue for the audience and in the process arbitrarily close the boards because of an erroneous legacy naming convention. That has no logic.

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  • Message 113

    , in reply to message 108.

    Posted by Gavin Corder (U732634) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    It has always discussed BBC output of all kinds Nick. Do your homework.

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  • Message 114

    , in reply to message 111.

    Posted by OfficerDibble (U1158251) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    "in the good old days hosts use to help posters and answer queries or find the answers if they didnt know"

    And I will do my best to do this. 


    Doh!!!!!! You have not helped anyone. You don't answer direct questions, and are vague and evasive on others. You have no interest in TV, you are only interested in YOUR view of the world from within the BBC citadel.

    If you truly believed you were helping then we would asking you loads of TV related questions - but people don't, based on your reputation.

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  • Message 115

    , in reply to message 112.

    Posted by PhilW (U1357752) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    nick says the pov program has nothing at all to do with radio

    but wasnt one program devoted to radio last year discussing brands radio program

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  • Message 116

    , in reply to message 115.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    Yes it was because this was a big BBC story. Which is why we've left the BBC board open.

  • Message 117

    , in reply to message 116.

    Posted by Gavin Corder (U732634) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    Rubbish Nick you are confusing the medium of the programme with the scope of its remit!

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  • Message 118

    , in reply to message 117.

    Posted by OfficerDibble (U1158251) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    there is no logic, nor consistency to any of Future Media's decisions, nor to any of the design and implementation of technology of their media.

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  • Message 119

    , in reply to message 114.

    Posted by Jem Stone (U517591) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    Officer Dibble. Nick is too thick skinned by now to defend himself so i'll do it on his behalf.

    I know that you disagree with Nick's approach to how he's communicated and talk about the changes on this board and thats fair enough. We've provided lots of space for you to articulate that.

    But then to suggest that he "not helped anyone". or "has no interest in tv" or is "only interested in YOUR world". Nick has answered hundreds and hundreds of queries about what the BBC has done online to hundreds of users over the past few years. He has quite a dubious taste in tv but he's droned on to me to enough about it over the last few years to suggest quite an interest.

    Can i therefore please ask that you not let your frustration with recent decisions here or this part of the BBC extend to personal remarks about Nick that have no basis or step over the line of what is acceptable on the board. We'd like to keep this difficult exchange civil. Avoid the negative personal stuff please.

  • Message 120

    , in reply to message 119.

    Posted by Gavin Corder (U732634) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    Right then Jem just tell Nick that Radio is not off-topic in Points of View. Just something's ON TV doesn't mean it can only be ABOUT TV.

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  • Message 121

    , in reply to message 120.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    Gavin - Points of View the Television programme is primarily about BBC Television. It only discusses BBC Radio when bigger questions about the BBC are raised (e.g. Brand/Ross).

  • Message 122

    , in reply to message 119.

    Posted by OfficerDibble (U1158251) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    Hi Jem,

    OK... the question was about a Host on this TV board. The host once again threw a match into the oily waters by saying that they are here to answer our questions.... missing the point that this is a POV board about TV (now). No-wehre do I see any posts from Future Media hosts that help us with our questions relating to TV.

    He may have tried to answer many questions about "Online"...but that is of no interest to us here. This is a TV board, and currently hosts give us no insight into the world of TV, nor able to facilitate answering our queries - hence the ambivalence from many towards the heralded new host. Future Media promises this will be an improvement - but they have no way of knowing this, and with the level of trust now rock bottom, I see no reason to expect any improvement as promised.

    Hosts are of benefit to the BBC - they are not proven to help us with the content of this board.

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  • Message 123

    , in reply to message 100.

    Posted by Curmy (U10228939) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    But this does not mean that we don't want to have places for people to discuss radio. There are already some (the radio 4 blog and message board) and there will be more in the future. 

    Oh for goodness sake Nick, there's NOWHERE to discuss radio 2 or

    Radio 5's programmes smiley - yikes and promising something "in the future" is just

    plain feeble !

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  • Message 124

    , in reply to message 119.

    Posted by Spinning_head (U10049943) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    Thanks Jem,

    Things were getting unnecessarily personal. There is no cause for that.

    Anyway, would you be able to answer my question above in message number 109?

    Ta

    smiley - smiley

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  • Message 125

    , in reply to message 121.

    Posted by Gavin Corder (U732634) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    Rubbish Nick!

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  • Message 126

    , in reply to message 125.

    Posted by cricket-Angel Tucker (U3382697) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    Rather than change the messageboards, why not change POV so that it covers radio too?

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  • Message 127

    , in reply to message 124.

    Posted by Tompall (U11235854) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    On the Radio 2MB in about 2002, there was a lady named Shellay Wellay who begged and pleaded for a 'Coffee Bar' facility to be installed. The BBC to their credit obliged her and those of us who used the MB regularly. There were two 'Hosts' that I remember as being very helpful on that MB, namely Mick Fitzsimmonds and Sue Keogh. Are they still with the BBC, I wonder? If so they would be good choices for this Brave New MB when it comes.

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  • Message 128

    , in reply to message 126.

    Posted by The Great Gildersleeve (U1650602) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    Cricket Angel Monroe Said Rather than change the messageboards, why not change POV so that it covers radio too? 

    Allowing for the fact tha radio will get lost in the threads about tv and pushed down the board...it's a good idea(suggested already I am afraid)and it's about as near to what we have already...sorry, had...

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  • Message 129

    , in reply to message 128.

    Posted by cricket-Angel Tucker (U3382697) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    Sorry, I think I may have not made myself clear.

    Why not include radio, and all aspects of the BBC in the programme Points of View? - then there would be no need to scrap any of the boards.

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  • Message 130

    , in reply to message 128.

    Posted by Gavin Corder (U732634) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    But the system on 5Live is that the most recent thread to be started remains at the top no matter how many posts other threads have had more recently. They could use that!

    Because it works so well on 5Live (not!)

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  • Message 131

    , in reply to message 130.

    Posted by OfficerDibble (U1158251) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    All the options that we come to take for granted, such as sticky posts, view counts, polls, searches, profiles, ratings, RSS, email notifying, threaded modes, etc are available on 90% of professional boards.
    This board is beyond any promised fixes.

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  • Message 132

    , in reply to message 131.

    Posted by smilingLifeMarkRM (U10873760) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009

    Nick-So you have worked at the BBC for 20 years.

    Your responses to our various e-mails are truly terrible/woeful/pathetic.

    Do the decent thing-resign and let someome else step up to the plate who has "better people/listening skills".

    You are clearly way out of your depth.

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  • Message 133

    , in reply to message 132.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Wednesday, 8th April 2009

    I don't have the power to change the remit of Points of View (the TV programme) and I wouldn't even if I did.

    Regarding the technical work Officer Dibble is referring to - we are still going to do this, but its taking more time than we expected.

  • Message 134

    , in reply to message 133.

    Posted by hemsby1 (U5377337) on Wednesday, 8th April 2009

    Well I know this goes against the BBC idea of listening to the audience but howabout extending the Points Of View programme on BBC1(thats when its on!)to a 30 minute programme covering all matters T.V for the first 15 mins and all matters radio for the second half of the programme.
    To make even a stronger point about BBC Radio being covered on POV, some radio stations such as Radio's 1 and 2 get more people listening to them each week,than some T.V shows,I think Im right in saying Radio pulls around 12 million people each week in.
    Then again that would mean catering for the audience and we all know how the BBC like to cater for what they want.

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  • Message 135

    , in reply to message 133.

    Posted by Spinning_head (U10049943) on Wednesday, 8th April 2009

    Nick or Jem,

    Would you please be kind enough to answer my question in message number 109?

    This is the third time I've asked.

    Ta.

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  • Message 136

    , in reply to message 135.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Wednesday, 8th April 2009

    I think I've already answered this question.

    I wanted to make these changes in time for the new host of POV and the start of the new series.

  • Message 137

    , in reply to message 135.

    Posted by smilingLifeMarkRM (U10873760) on Wednesday, 8th April 2009

    You'll be lucky if you get a reply.

    The folk from the BBC supposedly working on these boards are of very poor calibre-they are not in tune with us the listeners and the folk who pay their wages.

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  • Message 138

    , in reply to message 136.

    Posted by Spinning_head (U10049943) on Wednesday, 8th April 2009

    Well, you have mentioned that Nick. I asked about whether it was polite to delete a board before a replacement was put in place.

    Couldn't the Radio board have been moved to the Radio homepage instead of being deleted?

    There are some boards or blogs that deal with specific radio themes. Now there isn't one for general radio discussion.

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  • Message 139

    , in reply to message 138.

    Posted by bluestar belgrade (U10608122) on Wednesday, 8th April 2009

    Effectively what the BBC have done is made it impossible for the public to discuss how Radio5 Live is run on their messageboards. Yes/No?

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  • Message 140

    , in reply to message 139.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Wednesday, 8th April 2009

    I'm not sure if it's polite. Less than ideal and I'm obviously sorry for any inconvenience.

    But it's daft for a host from Points of View to do it as I've explained before.

    If you have specific complaints about the way FiveLive is run then you try the complaints system or the Editors blog at BBC News.

  • Message 141

    , in reply to message 140.

    Posted by Curmy (U10228939) on Wednesday, 8th April 2009

    But it's daft for a host from Points of View to do it as I've explained before.

    If you have specific complaints about the way FiveLive is run then you try the complaints system or the Editors blog at BBC News. 


    I'm losing the will to live here smiley - yikes

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  • Message 142

    , in reply to message 121.

    Posted by joecandy (U13892741) on Wednesday, 8th April 2009

    how many messages of complaint about 'no radio board' will it take for you to re-establish a board that covers 5live/radio 2?

    i'm another one who hates the idea of a blog.

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  • Message 143

    , in reply to message 136.

    Posted by karlhy (U9013694) on Wednesday, 8th April 2009

    'I wanted to make these changes in time for the new host of POV and the start of the new series'



    I haver no interest in the TV series and to be honest, dont even connect it with the online messageboard...i suspect im not alone in this......a messageboard is the ideal form of media for airing views - as opposed to the heavily edited, cherry picked TV alternative.

    Pleasae give us our board back.

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  • Message 144

    , in reply to message 140.

    Posted by dave (U2043922) on Wednesday, 8th April 2009

    "But it's daft for a host from Points of View to do it as I've explained before."

    Isn't the clue in the title of 'points of view' ? smiley - erm

    Why limit what we have views on ? smiley - erm

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  • Message 145

    , in reply to message 140.

    Posted by arthurmee (U1917919) on Wednesday, 8th April 2009

    The complaints system is well nigh impossible to use ,more so if all one wants to do is to make a comment!
    Do you not understand sir that we do not want to blog(what a disgusting word)? We want to share our views on the state of radio today and hope that, like the television board, it might just be monitored by someone who has the authority to rectify some of the many problems which currently exist with BBC Radio.

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  • Message 146

    , in reply to message 145.

    Posted by Helen May (U1633128) on Thursday, 9th April 2009

    Do you not understand sir that we do not want to blog(what a disgusting word)? We want to share our views on the state of radio today and hope that, like the television board, it might just be monitored by someone who has the authority to rectify some of the many problems which currently exist with BBC Radio. 

    As Jeremy Vine regularly says on his show 'the best ideas come from listeners'.

    It would be nice if that could happen on these message boards.

    H

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  • Message 147

    , in reply to message 141.

    Posted by John H (U10741971) on Thursday, 9th April 2009

    I'm losing the will to live here 

    You and me both Curmy.

    John H

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  • Message 148

    , in reply to message 147.

    Posted by jTemplar (U13714316) on Thursday, 9th April 2009

    @John H, Curmy
    I think that is probably the idea. smiley - sadface

    Wear-down the the contributors, wait for the post level to drop, combine that with end of series of POV on telly and close messageboards completely.

    Move all comment to BBC staff initiated, blogs, then tell eveyone how well the BBC is at being 'open'.

    Then ask for increase in licence fee.

    Give bonus to managers at BBC Future Media for being so inventful.



    john

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  • Message 149

    , in reply to message 148.

    Posted by smilingLifeMarkRM (U10873760) on Thursday, 9th April 2009

    I could not agree more with the comments that the BBC are deliberately trying to wear down the listeners, make life as difficult as possible for us to post our comments on BBC radio programmes,impose mediums on us such as blogs that we don't want and then slap themselves on the back telling the world what a wonderful job they are doing-not.

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  • Message 150

    , in reply to message 149.

    Posted by minimetto (U1159894) on Thursday, 9th April 2009

    The BBC do NOT like complaints on their messageboards...there is even a notice 'not allowed to complain' which pops up if we attempt to comment even smiley - yikes What does that say about a publicly funded organisation which rules against complaints?? Every so often I receive a communication from the BBC (I am on one of the listeners panels) asking for my views on whatever the topic of the day maybe....I just cannot understand this organisation but I DO know that something is very wrong somewhere and it needs investigating smiley - sadface

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