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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by rowan (U199016) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    After a few months of having talked about it with you now (see the bottom of this post for more), we’re finally able to give you some details about the changes which will take place here on the Points of View boards as the new series of the programme starts on BBC One on 5th April. It’s good to finally be able to lay them out for you. These changes will take effect on Friday 3rd April.

    Hosting

    We have great news that we’re able to announce that a dedicated host will be starting across the Points of View boards. The dedicated host will be based in the Points of View programme team. As my role only allows for me to host in a very part time basis on the TV board (this is true of the other current POV hosts too) we felt that you deserved a better level of attention more directly from the programme itself, which will allow for more of your TV related questions to be answered, more of your comments to be fed back to the right people in the BBC and a closer relationship to be formed between activity here and the POV programme itself. I think this is a great move as a full time host will be able to be more attentive about moderation issues too. I’ll be sorry to leave you all – thanks for all your kind words during my stay! I’ll introduce the new host to you as soon as we’re all set up.

    Changes to the boards

    The radio, online and digital boards will be closed leaving the TV and BBC ones open. This decision has been taken so that the POV board has a closer alignment to the programme, which is about the BBC and TV. Apologies to those of you who do post in those areas, I’ve put together a few links to other bbc.co.uk locations which might interest you.

    - See the full list of message boards, many of which are BBC radio related - www.bbc.co.uk/messag...

    - The BBC Internet Blog - www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/... (Nick will be starting an open post on the Internet blog so people can post about anything they fancy about what the BBC does online).

    - See the full list of blogs, including lots about BBC radio programmes - www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    - The iPlayer message board - www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

    - Find out about going digital here - www.bbc.co.uk/digita...

    Thanks for all of your comments which have fed into the thinking about these changes over the last couple months. Although it might have been a slightly rocky road for some of you, it’s been driven by the aim of being as open as possible with you. For those of you who would like to catch up on the previous conversations here are the links:

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

    www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

    www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

    I really hope that these changes will help to create a stronger channel of communication from you into what the BBC does, and also from the BBC in return, and that your experiences here feel valued by us and continue being as fun as they currently are.

  • Message 2

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by AnthonyJ (U203374) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    No radio board?!?!? What the hell is hemsby1 going to do with his Ed Stewart campaign now?

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  • Message 3

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    Posted by muskadash (U1988820) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    I hope the new host is as nice as you, Rowan...smiley - sadface

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  • Message 4

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by MO (U6476482) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Thanks for that Rowan. Just a couple of questions:

    This decision has been taken so that the POV board has a closer alignment to the programme, which is about the BBC and TV.  

    Does this mean that posts regarding non-BBC programmes will be deemed 'off-topic'? What will become of the Green Room thread?

    Will other long-standing threads that are not strictly about BBC TV programmes be stopped?

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  • Message 5

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by DragonFluff (U6879248) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    In reply to rowan host

    Thanks for that, Rowan, and thanks for all your work over the time you've been the Host here.

    Fluff
    (Getting cup of tea, sitting back and waiting for the bang as Radio board users hear the news...)

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  • Message 6

    , in reply to message 5.

    Posted by cricket-Angel Baratheon (U3382697) ** on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Thanks for the info, Rowan.

    Can't believe it's taken months to reach these decisions! smiley - laugh

    You will be much missed! smiley - hug

    Should this thread not be on the TV Board too, please?

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  • Message 7

    , in reply to message 6.

    Posted by cricket-Angel Baratheon (U3382697) ** on Monday, 30th March 2009

    One question: will we still be allowed to discuss non-BBC programmes?

    In addition to my above request that this thread be on the TV Board too - maybe it should be on ALL the POV Boards, so EVERYONE knows what is going to happen.

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  • Message 8

    , in reply to message 6.

    Posted by carrie (U1190278) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    The BBC just hates the idea of a community of people who just like to talk about what is on the radio. Nothing complicated.

    How about on our last day the hosts and mods just let us all have a free say on what we think about all the radio programmes on the BBC? It would be great to be able to fully tell the truth about what I think of Nicky, Victoria and Nolan for a start.

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  • Message 9

    , in reply to message 8.

    Posted by GaryB007 (U3895241) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Will there be any improvements to the forum software? This looks like something from 1995!

    The changes are of course welcome, but does it mean the Beeb will take any notice of the repeated complaints about things like:

    Credit Squeezing
    Background Music
    Wobbly Camerawork
    Filmic Effect
    JR's Salary smiley - smiley
    etc. etc.

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  • Message 10

    , in reply to message 9.

    Posted by PhilW (U1357752) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    its great isnt it


    for years they have a digital board where queries can be answered but as soon as everyone starts the process of going digital and many people will be confused they suddenly drop it


    wheres the logic






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  • Message 11

    , in reply to message 10.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    PhilW - you may be interested in this blog post:

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

  • Message 12

    , in reply to message 11.

    Posted by PhilW (U1357752) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    very interesting


    but im sure youll agree that the digital board is a more worthwhile board than the television board which is usually filled with inconsequential pap...


    nearly every thread on the digital board is a useful thread to someone

    so what if say a thread on coronation street has 16000 posts or whatever.....does that make it wortn keeping over say a thread that only has 10 posts but has helped somebody over a problem they have......





    can i just clarify something

    after this week will there be 2 boards

    television and the bbc

    will the bbc board be as it is now or will we be able to discuss digital and radio on there..

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  • Message 13

    , in reply to message 4.

    Posted by Alsdouble (U524298) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Question. Will I be out of pre-mod before 2012?

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by RedRedRobin (U838052) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    It appears that for all the talk, the worst fears of those of us who were deeply cynical when Nick Reynolds turned up talking about change are to come true.

    The radio (among others) board is to go without any proper attempt to replace it, just direction to a whole range of inappropriate boards and blogs.

    Dissappointing, but very very predictable.

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  • Message 15

    , in reply to message 8.

    Posted by Alsdouble (U524298) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Radio. There a loads of Radio MBs. Too many, mostly as dead as a duck, and many monopolised by a few members who like to see their name in print...often. Very often.

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  • Message 16

    , in reply to message 12.

    Posted by Sue_Aitch (U3336990) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    And will we be able to discuss Online on the BBC Board or will that be deemed off topic?

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  • Message 17

    , in reply to message 16.

    Posted by Nick Reynolds (U11648404) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    I think what topics the BBC board will cover will be partly up to the new host. But I think it should be the kind of things that it covers now, i.e. big issues that effect the whole BBC.

  • Message 18

    , in reply to message 17.

    Posted by cricket-Angel Baratheon (U3382697) ** on Monday, 30th March 2009

    That's not just what the boards cover, Nick. There are numerous threads related to TV but not the BBC. Will these survive the regime change?

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  • Message 19

    , in reply to message 17.

    Posted by Curmy (U10228939) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Nick I'm very upset and angry that the Radio board is being closed, where for example are we to go to discuss Radio 5 programmes ?

    Try discussing them on the Radio 5 UK news board, and they get removed !

    That list of message boards that has been posted is out of date, the Woman's Hour one has been shut down and I'm sure it's not the only one !

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  • Message 20

    , in reply to message 19.

    Posted by MO (U6476482) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    I think it would have helpful is someone had hung around to answer the questions that this announcement has prompted. I do realise that Rowan can't be expected to be here all the time.

    There has been some issues raised on a similar thread on the TV board about the other improvements that were suggested: search function etc.

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  • Message 21

    , in reply to message 17.

    Posted by Gavin Corder (U732634) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Nick,

    As (a) you are appear not to be planning on including any message board or discussion area for the listeners to instigate discussion of Radio 5Live programming;

    (b)it is apparent that the core platform that we bought into and the Station was predicated on (live news and sport, presented and debated in a non-pompous way) has been largely abandoned in favour of 'entertainment' and 'human interest';

    (c) Mayo is leaving, so there will only be Peter Allen left who is worth listening to;

    that Radio 5Live is simply being run into the ground with a view to shutting it down completely?

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  • Message 22

    , in reply to message 19.

    Posted by Quizzimodo (U551071) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Nick: Please explain the logic of having ther TV board so it links to the POV TV programme but NO radio equivalent to Radio 4's Feedback

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  • Message 23

    , in reply to message 22.

    Posted by OfficerDibble (U1158251) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Is that it?

    That is what we have waited 4 months for?

    So in summary -
    no improvements for the benefit of posters, merely to benefit the BBC.

    Our cynicism at the process was well founded... none of our suggestions have been taken on and we have been parried and fobbed off throughout, fed evasive statements about closures, and taunted with the promise of improvements.

    and they wonder why some hosts get a hard time.

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  • Message 24

    , in reply to message 22.

    Posted by Curmy (U10228939) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    MO of course they're not going to answer our questions, just deliver the

    bad news and then run for cover smiley - yikes

    Quite agree with you both, Gavin and Quizzimodo

    smiley - ok

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  • Message 25

    , in reply to message 24.

    Posted by Curmy (U10228939) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    I'm so angry O.D. you're quite right in what you say, nobody's listened to

    us, we've been spun a line , and we've got nowhere to go smiley - steam

    Why can't we have a Feedback message board instead of those useless blogs ?

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  • Message 26

    , in reply to message 25.

    Posted by OfficerDibble (U1158251) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Here's a suggestion.... there many dormant Radio boards on the Radio One, Xtra, and Asian sites: go and squat there and post all your Radio comments on either the RnB board (or the identical board on Xtra) www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

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  • Message 27

    , in reply to message 20.

    Posted by The Great Gildersleeve (U1650602) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Radio is squeezed out again in favour of television...if you are to close the dedicated radio board down then radio should be included in the television area except so many tv programmes are discussed radio topics will drop down very quickly and be hard to find.

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  • Message 28

    , in reply to message 25.

    Posted by RedRedRobin (U838052) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    "we've been spun a line , and we've got nowhere to go"

    It wasn't even a very good line, this outcome has seemed inevitable from the very first Reynold's blog last November.

    It would have been nice if for once 'improving' a board wasn't synonymous with 'closing' it.




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  • Message 29

    , in reply to message 27.

    Posted by Curmy (U10228939) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    I might do that OD !

    You're so right Gildy !

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  • Message 30

    , in reply to message 29.

    Posted by Curmy (U10228939) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Look at this forum on the Radio 1 board Nick !

    www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

    It's a wasteland, nobody uses it ! smiley - yikes

    Why are they allowed 7 different subject boards and we're not allowed 1 here ?

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  • Message 31

    , in reply to message 24.

    Posted by rowan (U199016) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Apologies for posting the message and not being able to return very quickly. Thanks for you feedback so far – it is being listened to.

    In terms of improvements to the message boards those are a slightly different issue really, as any functional changes will be across all the message boards rather than just here. That being said, we do listen to what you say about areas we could improve on for the message boards and there are people working on those improvements – I’m told that special characters should be along in the nearish future for example and that performance issues are also being worked on to improve load times for you, for example. We know that the complaints process is something you’d like to see worked on too, as well as a search facility. In terms of moderation feedback not being very specific and therefore sometimes confusing, personally I think that for us on the Points of View message board the best answer is for you to email pov.hosts@bbc.co.uk when you are really confused by something and I, or the new host, will try and give you an answer as quickly as we can (as always, I’ll postscript this invitation by saying that this is a slower process than moderation and should be used for exceptional circumstances as there’s only me reading the mails). Making moderation specific in terms of someone replying individually to each moderation decision would require a massive increase in moderation resources.

    As for on/off topic, as Nick says, this is something that I think your new host will want to think about, possibly in collaboration with the Points of View programme team.

    Thanks for your thoughts so far everyone. And thanks for your kind words to me too smiley - smiley

  • Message 32

    , in reply to message 31.

    Posted by average40 (U2037445) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Nick/Rowan,

    Just one question, from 6th April, WHERE CAN WE POST COMMENTS ON BBC RADIO???

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  • Message 33

    , in reply to message 31.

    Posted by OfficerDibble (U1158251) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    sorry Rowan, seems Nick has left you to pick up the pieces.

    Of all the "improvements" you speak of that are "in process" only search facility is universally requested... all the others are largely irrelevant.

    It is a pity no-one has listened to our valid suggestions to compile a list of Most wanted's matched to technically possibles.

    Seems the BBC have disregarded all of that and come up with "cheapest way to get what the BBC want" as the over-riding criteria for change... along with 4 months of evasion. You knew what was likely to happen from day one but didn't have the guts to suggest it. All the consultation was a disingenuous sham.

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  • Message 34

    , in reply to message 33.

    Posted by OfficerDibble (U1158251) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    sorry about ambiguity... "you" does not mean Rowan.

    I bet the POV programme are looking forward to hosting. From one post a week when they are on air, to nothing for months on end....how is that going to work? Will the board be hosted when they are off air? Will they really forward our comments to programme makers? or simply say..." we might use this post in the programme"

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  • Message 35

    , in reply to message 34.

    Posted by rowan (U199016) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    average40, there are lots of places where you can talk about BBC radio, but not in its entirely it’s true, the links in my original post will take you to lots of places for BBC radio conversation though. Points of View is about the BBC and television though, so it does make sense that the message board for it should reflect these interests I think.

    Officer Dibble – thanks for the “you” clarification! It’s a shame if they do look like spineless choices, with hand on heart I can say that the decisions have been reached over the time that Nick has opened up this topic through his blog posts. In terms of hosting, the POV boards will be hosted continuously, not just while the programme is on air and I’m confident that it’ll be done with enthusiasm and eagerness to improve communication in both directions (i.e. from you guys inwards and from the BBC outwards). Personally I’m going to be really interested to see it in action.

  • Message 36

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    Posted by Gavin Corder (U732634) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    5Live has a UK News Board and a World News Board. Over there it is deemed off topic to discuss the content of the programming or the content of a particular show. If you cannot cite a live news link your OP is hidden.

    As the majority of 5Live programming isn't based on a news story but is based on entertainment an human interest, what's the point of either of those boards. Why not scap them too?

    The people on the Radio 4 boards were well miffed when the Today board closed and then the General chat board which they had taken to in order to discuss news.

    I pointed out that 5Live catered for news, they responded about being Radio 4 listeners and not wanting to be seen dead over at 5Live. I pointed out that as we are not actually allowed to discuss 5Live programmes at the 5Live boards, there is no requirement to be a 5Live listener at all, which was greeting with scoffing and derision. Which quite frankly it deserves.

    Come on BBC.

    Find a home for a news Board that is not station specific.
    Find a home for a Radio board on which we can discuss radio programmes.

    It's not hard is it?

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  • Message 37

    , in reply to message 35.

    Posted by OfficerDibble (U1158251) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    mmm... lots of politician's phrases there Rowan! Nothing concrete. "Eagerness"? mmm sounds like the POV post boy's first job will be to log on and post new threads like "what do you think of the new Robin Hood guys!?"


    The BBC's track record is clear to see. The POV programme is NOT a replacement for the complaints channel nor anywhere near the power of Feedback. The POV team's record for posting here is very poor. The BBC has loads of irrelevant/off core-business MBs yet there are only two that are must haves: a TV and a Radio board. Comparatively all the others are irrelevant, especially in the absence of any other form of direct interaction with the BBC. Suggesting that the Radio board closes because the new home for the POV board is moving to a previously unrelated producer who's only connection is a graphic at the top of the board is farcical.

    This wasn't blue sky thinking. This was a marriage of expediency.

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  • Message 38

    , in reply to message 37.

    Posted by cricket-Angel Baratheon (U3382697) ** on Monday, 30th March 2009

    The POV team's record for posting here is very poor. </quote>

    More like non-existent.

    But maybe that will change if they are Hosting it?

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  • Message 39

    , in reply to message 20.

    Posted by Ding Dong Lilian on High (U5813576) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Thank you Rowan, you've always been very helpful, and we do appreciate The Green Room, it's been brilliant. I do hope we will still have it when the changes take effect.

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  • Message 40

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    Posted by OfficerDibble (U1158251) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    why would they? They had the opportunity to engage... it was "their" board, they had a ready made audience, and all the programme ideas laid out on a plate, yet they still used the board as a slight diversion on a Friday morning. I see no difference now, especially as this may have been thrust on them from the side. They want to make a 15 minute presenter led TV programme - they don't have the staff, inclination nor teeth to do anything more.

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  • Message 41

    , in reply to message 31.

    Posted by Gavin Corder (U732634) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Rowan,

    It's not usually the posters who are 'confused' but the moderators who generally don't read the post in context, are unaware that legal opinion is permitting similar points made on air (because they are not listening) and who appear to be incapable of understanding that phrases taken from French (or Latin or whatever) are commonly used by educated people in everyday conversation as well as on BBC broadcasts, and are therefore not 'foreign' and as such do not contravene the house rules.

    Being patronising about 'confused' listeners isn't going to help when listeners are telling you it isn't them but the moderators!

    In terms of moderation feedback not being very specific and therefore sometimes confusing, personally I think that for us on the Points of View message board the best answer is for you to email pov.hosts@bbc.co.uk when you are really confused by something and I, or the new host, will try and give you an answer as quickly as we can  

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  • Message 42

    , in reply to message 40.

    Posted by carrie (U1190278) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Let's all get to "the other place", as soon as poss.

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  • Message 43

    , in reply to message 37.

    Posted by rowan (U199016) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Phrases meant totally sincerely Officer Dibble, rather than through a filter of slipperiness, sorry if they read that way.

  • Message 44

    , in reply to message 42.

    Posted by Gavin Corder (U732634) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Carrie my love, feel free invite all your friends from here over to 'Gavin's Station'. This is precisely why I set the board up in 2006 when the 5Live Station Board was shut.

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  • Message 45

    , in reply to message 44.

    Posted by cricket-Angel Baratheon (U3382697) ** on Monday, 30th March 2009

    why would they? 

    Because it sounds like a person actually connected with the programme will be Host this time. Which has cetainly never happened in my few years posting here.

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  • Message 46

    , in reply to message 43.

    Posted by OfficerDibble (U1158251) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Phrases meant totally sincerely Officer Dibble, rather than through a filter of slipperiness, sorry if they read that way. 

    Hi Rowan, Sincerely in the absence of anything you can say that we can rely on.

    We all know the score and understand your position. Has Nick gone home early? Did he book today off back in November?

    PS. for the record, here is the POV's posting history:
    www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

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  • Message 47

    , in reply to message 46.

    Posted by RedRedRobin (U838052) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Perhaps Nick has moved on to 'improve' another part of the site, God help it.

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  • Message 48

    , in reply to message 46.

    Posted by OfficerDibble (U1158251) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Cricket, the POV team included Caroline the series producer. As you see from the link above, the reason you didn't see their postings was because they were few and far between... I have no reason to trust any vague statements from Future Media that it will improve.

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  • Message 49

    , in reply to message 48.

    Posted by The Great Gildersleeve (U1650602) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Youy cannot discuss Radio 5 programmes and how they treat a news story only the actual story if you can link to it on thbe Radio 5 messageboard.

    The same is true at the Radio 2 board...

    Radio 4 is struggling with it's board...

    It can only be a matter of time before Radio 7's messageboard is reduced or killed off and I can only guess what will happen to Radio 1, 3 and the others...

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  • Message 50

    , in reply to message 35.

    Posted by average40 (U2037445) on Monday, 30th March 2009

    Message posted by rowan host

    average40, there are lots of places where you can talk about BBC radio, but not in its entirely it’s true, the links in my original post will take you to lots of places for BBC radio conversation though. 


    I have followed your links Rowan and this is what I get in realtion to Radio 2:
    The Flip Side - For fun and Games
    Folk and Acoustic - Errr....
    Your Music - Discuss the music you like.

    I'm sorry Rowan but none of these boards allow me to make a point about the output of BBC Radio 2.
    I also listen to 5Live, there is no message board there anymore to comment on the programmes.
    The BBC belongs to us, the people, we have aright to comment on what is being broadcast on OUR airwaves and by whom.
    I will post my views on radio on the BBC MB.






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