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    Posted by Walsall_Chris (U2515779) on Saturday, 12th January 2008

    Seeing as Stewart has launched a debate on his favourite talkSPORT show (and on this BBC Radio board it hasn't been moderated) then I don't see what would be wrong with me starting one about mine.

    Does anyone on here listen to talkSPORT's afternoon show, presented by Paul Hawksbee & Andy Jacobs? For anyone who likes sport, and particularly it's more light-hearted side, it is an absolute must.

    Unfortunatley I don't get the chance to listen much these days because it's on when I am at work, but I tune in whenever I get the chance and was a massive fan during my student days. (You know a highlights podcast wouldn't go amiss smiley - winkeye).

    In these days of loads of straight-laced, rather plain football debate shows, H&J are a breath of fresh air, who are willing to look at a different side of sport - they seem to be able to look beyond the Premier League and into the football in lower league and on the continent as well (and for fans of the World Football Phone-In, Tim Vickery is a regular on the programme), and give airtime to other 'minority' sports too (the best example of this is their Friday afternoon US Sports round-up with Channel 5 MLB/NHL coverage doyen Todd Macklin).

    They also have some really good features on the programme too like Andy's Birthday Spread and Escalado. The best show of the week is always Friday's, complete with the Fools Panel (starring one of the station's best new additions - the former Walsall commentator from BRMB, the Voice of them All Ian Danter) and the Clips of the Week.

    To give you a flavour of the show, Paul is one of the main writers on the always funny Harry Hill's TV Burp, whilst Andy Jacobs 'discovered' Frank Skinner and devised the brilliant Fantasy Football series for Frank & David Baddiell. So if you like that kind of comedy this is probably the show for you. I recommend it - just hope I get to hear it a bit more in 2008!

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    Posted by Binkie (U9634110) on Saturday, 12th January 2008

    Sorry Chris but I hate H & J with a passion.Especially Jacobs with his kind of nervous OTT ' I laugh at anything that is remotely funny anyone say's ' style of presenting.So irritating for me.

    Paul Hawksbee though is very good and I would have thought it would be better for him to move on in his career.I saw him present the ' Your on Sky Sports ' phone in programme a while back now and he did a first class job for many weeks.

    Glad you mentioned the World Football Phone In on Dotun's shift on UAN.An absolutely brilliant show.It put's to shame some of the so called ' know it all's ' and MOTD type pundits.An excellent listen.

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    Posted by Stewart Henry (U1375435) on Saturday, 12th January 2008

    Chris, I have never listened to this show on TalkSPORT, and it sounds like I am missing an exciting programme.

    What are the background to the two presenters, the names don't seem familiar to me? Also, is it a phone-in show, studio discussion, or a mixture of both? I would be keen to hear the football league and (if there are any) Scottish football slots on the programme- these are very unrepresented on Five Live. I was surprised to hear Mark Pougatch hosting Sport on Five from Tynecastle today, but wouldn't it have been great if Five Live went one step further and broadcast live, a Scottish Cup 4th round tie this afternoon.

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    Posted by powerfulGlenith (U4984683) on Saturday, 12th January 2008

    Leonard I agree with you, total waste of time silly giggling and stuff. Mike Dickin was the best on Talksport by far and away and when he did the morning slot, my radio was straight off when H&J came on.

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    Posted by PhilW (U1357752) on Sunday, 13th January 2008

    couldnt agree more about dickin.

    im afraid to say he was talksport for me and the day he died was the day talksport also died.

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    Posted by Stewart Henry (U1375435) on Sunday, 13th January 2008

    Phil, do you know anything about TalkSPORT launching another national Talk Radio station?

    I'm not sure that we need another rolling phone-in station.

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    Posted by PhilW (U1357752) on Sunday, 13th January 2008

    dont know anything about talksport..

    but here in liverpool a 24 hour talk station is to open in 2 weeks.

    based on news and sport and with phoneins.

    not sure how successful its going to be but should be interesting.

    spin off from radio city and called citytalk.

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    Posted by Stewart Henry (U1375435) on Sunday, 13th January 2008

    The Talk network have something similar in Edinburgh, called Talk 107, which is mainly phone-ins, hosted by the likes of Tommy Sheridan, and also carries George Galloway's TalkSPORT show.

    Citytalk should be good for discussion on your local football scene then Phil; Everton, Liverpool, Tranemere, etc.

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    Posted by PhilW (U1357752) on Sunday, 13th January 2008

    found this for you

    Talk Radio is set to make a return to the airwaves in July 2008 on DAB digital radio as a sister station to talkSPORT after 4 Digital Group were awarded the licence for the second national digital radio multiplex in July 2007. Other stations that will be made available on the new multiplex include: Channel 4 Radio, E4 Radio, Pure 4, Sky News Radio (providing an additional London-based version of this service on 1152am, replacing the current rolling news service on this frequency run by LBC News 1152, subject to agreement from OFCOM) Virgin Radio Viva and Original amongst others.

    Contained within the 4 Digital Group bid, Talk Radio was described as follows:

    "Talk Radio will mix intelligent, entertaining and opinionated presentation with lively debate and phone-ins. Operated by UTV, it will break the mould of national news and current affairs radio by having a more interactive and compelling talkback element. Talk Radio's free-flowing agenda will be dictated by the unfolding issues of the day. From politics to the police, from immigration to Iran, if it's in the news Talk Radio will be talking about it."

    It is expected that talkSPORT's non-sports presenters, James Whale, Jon Gaunt, Ian Collins, Mike Mendoza and George Galloway, will broadcast shows on the new Talk Radio station 



    looks like the new station will be all news leaving the old one for the sport.

    notice its only on dab which is no good to me.

    and it means i wont be able to listen to gg at work after july.

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    Posted by Stewart Henry (U1375435) on Sunday, 13th January 2008

    Thanks for that Phil- it seems as though they will both remain as mainly phone-in stations.

    With the new Talk Radio station only being available on DAB, I think it will probably duplicate shows on the two stations, for the first few months/years, as the station won't want the likes of Gaunt and Galloway to lose listeners.

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    Posted by PhilW (U1357752) on Sunday, 13th January 2008

    btw lawro is on now stewart...without greeny for a change.

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    Posted by Stewart Henry (U1375435) on Sunday, 13th January 2008

    Thanks Phil, yes I don't often hear the Sunday 4pm kick off, so it is good to hear Lawrenson commentating today, alongside Darren Fletcher and the always excellent Ian Brown.

    Alan Green doesn't seem to be quite as big a presence on Five Live these days, or were today's two fixtures too boring for him to attend?

    Did you hear Conor McNamara making his rugby union radio debut earlier?

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    Posted by shaun-1982 (U3604713) on Sunday, 13th January 2008

    Afternoon Stewart, do you happen to know who did todays early match at Sunderland? Thanks.

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    Posted by Stewart Henry (U1375435) on Sunday, 13th January 2008

    Hello Shaun, I hope you are having a good weekend.

    At the Stadium of Light today were; Ali Bruce-ball, Ian Dennis (anchor), and Kevin Gallacher.

    For the record, the commentary team at the Wasps-Scarlets game were; Jonny Saunders, Conor McNamara, and the summariser was London Irish scrum-half Peter Richards.

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    Posted by PhilW (U1357752) on Sunday, 13th January 2008

    i think conor did the everton game yesterday so hes had a busy weekend.

    think greeny only does the big 4 these days.

    otherwise hes not interested.

    if so he might not be commenting on his beloved liverpool for some time to come the way things are going.

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    Posted by Binkie (U9634110) on Sunday, 13th January 2008

    Stewart Henry wrote Alan Green doesn't seem to be quite as big a presence on Five Live these days...... 

    Welcome news indeed.

    I can stand anyone but him commentating.

    I heard him presenting 606 yesterday and he went out of his way in agreeing with a Newcastle fan who said that what happens at Newcastle is no one else's business and he ( the fan ) was glad the Big Sam was sacked.

    Didn't Green have a big falling out with Sam Allaydice ?

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    Posted by Stewart Henry (U1375435) on Sunday, 13th January 2008

    Message posted by PhilW

    i think conor did the everton game yesterday so hes had a busy weekend. 


    That's right he was match reporter for Five Live, but I think that this should have been the commentary game, rather than s straight forward home game for Chelsea.

    Darren Fletcher and Ian Brown did commentaries on both Saturday and Sunday.

    think greeny only does the big 4 these days.

    otherwise hes not interested.

    if so he might not be commenting on his beloved liverpool for some time to come the way things are going. 


    I notice that the Liverpool-Luton replay in the English FA Cup is on Sports Extra, I wonder if this is one Liverpool game that Green won't be covering for Five Live.



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    Posted by PhilW (U1357752) on Sunday, 13th January 2008

    i note sky are covering that match and the bbc man city.

    what games on fivelive on tuesday stewart?

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    Posted by Stewart Henry (U1375435) on Sunday, 13th January 2008

    Well, with the Liverpool game on Sports Extra on Tuesday, Five Live have Bristol Rovers v Fulham on Tuesday, and Havant v Swansea on Wednesday.

    So, whilst BBC TV opt for the rather run of the mill all-Premiership tie (Man City v West Ham), it is good to see Five Live are broadcasting a few of the more exciing replays. Personally, I think Swansea will have an easy win on Wednesday, so it would have been great to have had the option of the Stoke-Newcastle replay on Sports Extra on Wednesday, but there is still a good variety of matches to tune into this week,

    I was sure that Five Live would go for the Tottenham v Reading replay, so it was nice to be proved wrong;

    www.bbc.co.uk/fiveli...

    Phil, don't forget to listen to the Crewe-Leeds game on Sports Extra tomorrow evening, we need your support.

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    Posted by Sir Ad E Noid (U1525146) on Monday, 14th January 2008

    I agree with the OP. I think that H&J is the only show worth listening to at all on Talksport. It's quite funny and is'nt a platform for the usual right wing tabloid presenters they trot out.

    As for the late Mike Dicken, I thought he was vile and I don't miss him from the airwaves one iota.

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    Posted by PhilW (U1357752) on Monday, 14th January 2008

    i am sorry. my vileness is not in question.
    how can i help you.

    who says you have to be nice to be a great radio presenter.

    long live king henry the eighth.

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    Posted by bootjangler (U880875) on Monday, 14th January 2008

    I like Hawksbee, but Jacobs just irritates me with his constant chuckling.

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    Posted by Walsall_Chris (U2515779) on Monday, 14th January 2008

    Blimey, good to see such a good response to this discussion (albeit partly to it veering onto something else), as I really thought it may bomb when I posted it!

    From the replies so far, it just goes to show that H&J (like many sports/comedy crossover shows and their presenters) are marmite broadcaster - some like me will always love this kind of programme no matter what, others don't really get the format and don't.

    Leonard, I can see where you are coming from on Andy Jacobs. He can be really frustrating to listen to at sometimes, especially when it comes to debates about Chelsea (he is a big defender of all things CFC). It is funny to listen to him squirm, however, on afternoon after Chelsea have had a bad result the following day.

    Although I can see why it would annoy, I do enjoy his always jovial and jolly nature - yes, even his intentional poor puns and giggling on the Birthday Spread!

    As for the guy who prefered Mike Dickin to them, well there is someone who would choose misery over fun (as Paul's pal Harry Hill would say!)! smiley - winkeye

    Just to answer a few of Stewart's questions here...

    What are the background to the two presenters, the names don't seem familiar to me? 

    It's not that surprising that you haven't heard of Paul & Andy (although as a Galloway listener I would have thought you'd have caught the odd trailer!), as they probably aren't that well known outside of their work on talkSPORT, however some of the TV programmes that they have worked upon have made the people fronting them household names.

    Paul Hawksbee started on TV as a comedy writer, with him having a large hand in Harry Hill's excellent old Channel 4 show (and he still works on Harry's ITV shows to this day), as well as writing material for the likes of Lee Mack and Jenny Eclair etc for Avalon Television produced shows. This was after a spell as working on the old Goal! & 90 Minutes magazine (along with BBC commentator Steve Wilson - hence why Andy is never allowed to have a pop at his commentaries!), and working in the Press Office at Arsenal (a tough job for a Spurs fan!). As Leonard mentions, he has more recently had a sideline as one of the deputy presenters on 'You're On Sky Sports' (the Sky Sports 1 football phone-in show) in the wake of Rob McCaffrey's departure.

    Andy really made his name as a TV producer/writer/commisioner for the BBC, with his undoubted biggest hit being the 'Fantasy Football League' show which made household names out of Frank Skinner & David Baddiell, where he is credited as being the brains behind the show and responsible for an awful lot of the material. He apparently had a fall-out with the BBC over something, and later went on to work on Channel 4's American sports strand in the late 90's, particularly their NBA coverage - where he appeared as voiceover reporter 'Harry Lemon' on NBA 24/7.

    Paul & Andy were brought together at Avalon as executive producers of 'Fantasy World Cup Live' when ITV brought the format over for the France '98 World Cup. They hit it off from their, and after the run ended kept in touch - to the point that they were invited over to Talk Radio for a trial in 1999, were given their own show as talkSPORT launched the following year and things have snowballed since then.

    So if you like much of the above stuff that they have worked on in the past, then you'll probably like their afternoon radio show.

    Also, is it a phone-in show, studio discussion, or a mixture of both? 

    The show is one of the rare talkSPORT shows to have few phone-in elements to it (bar it's competitions), but it is a mixture of a lot of different things.

    Perhaps the best kind of show to liken it to is those kind of shows presented by Danny Baker & Danny Kelly, or a show I know you're fond of, 'Off The Ball' with Stuart Cosgrove & Tam Cowan from Radio Scotland, except it has a regular 3-hour afternoon format.

    On a general weekday, after the show gets going at 1pm, Paul & Andy will set the show up with their observations from the past day/weekend in sport and the media, and arrange the calls subjects of the day.

    They might have one over-the-phone feature before a guest comes in, usually around 1.30pm, with the guest usually being from the world of sport, or the media (with a sporting interest). These can go through until around 2.15pm or so and are often very cosy and full of anecdotes. It's dependent on the guest of course, but sometimes they can be excellent listens.

    There then is usually another feature (recently they have been doing TV and Movie reviews) between then and 2.30pm, when it's then time for Andy's Birthday Spread game. This takes them through to 2.45pm usually and then there will be a few more features dependent on what's in the sporting news (this could be anything from an update on the state of Italian football with James Richardson to a chat with Wayne Mardle about being chosen to be in the PDC Darts Premier League next season or something like that).

    At 3.30pm then will then have another phone-based competition - this used to be reserved for 'Sport On Nought' but now they vary it - which takes them through till the final quarter of an hour, where they'll play a clip from an amusing sports-based audio tape from years go by and give their own personal commentary to it (it sounds mad but it usually works - just about!).

    Friday's are a bit of an exception, so here substitute their regular competitions with The Fools Panel at 2.30pm and The Clips of the Week at 3.30pm, plus Clive Vedmore's fishing report and you have it.

    That's probably an awful lot of jargon to take in, but those who listen will know what I'm on about - you'll have to listen for yourself to find out!

    I would be keen to hear the football league and (if there are any) Scottish football slots on the programme- these are very unrepresented on Five Live 

    Both Football League and Scottish football are discussed on H&J from time to time, along with European, South American and other areas of football, plus a multitude of other sports major or minority.

    However perhaps the best place to find Football League coverage on Thursday night's Evening Kick-Off programme with Rhodri Williams and Ray Houghton. Ironically in the past in this slot, talkSPORT used to have an excellent Football League-devoted show called 'Football First, Second And Third', but a past programme director gave that show the chop as he wasn't confident in it. Since he has gone, however, a Football League hour has been brought back to the now more general show between 9-10pm.

    For Scottish football, since talkSPORT have called upon a specific Scottish Football Correspondant in Mark Donaldson, the amount of coverage on the station to the SPL has risen tenfold. Donaldson is a really promising newcomer, and is a lot more neutral than certain others Scottish football reporters *cough Roddy Forsyth cough*. He chips in on H&J sometimes, but is just as likely to be caught on Evening Kick-Off, Matchday Live and Football First rounding up the action as well.

    I noticed Sir An has described all of talkSPORT's output bar H&J as being full of 'right-wing tabloid presenters' but I think he's being very harsh. I know it's non-sports output (particularly from one presenter in particularly) has sadly gone in this direction in recent years, but on the sports side there is still plenty to listen to on the station.

    Aside from H&J, the shows I would tip to listen to on there at the moment are really anything presented by Ian Danter - I loved his work covering Walsall FC on local radio around here, and he is proving to be quite a rising star since moving to national radio; going from West Midlands football reporter, to a contributor to H&J, to landing two shows of his own on the station - the Friday night Matchday Live preview show he hosts is particularly good.

    talkSPORT's live football coverage is also pretty handy if you, like me, get fed up with the Pougatch-Green-Ingham-*big name pundit* axis easily. For my money Jim Proudfoot & Alvin Martin are, as a pairing, the best commentary duo anywhere on radio at the moment, and TS' Premiership commentator Nigel Pearson is terrific as well.

    And then there is the new dedicated Rugby Show on Sunday nights between 8-10pm before George Galloway I believe. Despite being sponsored by a brewery that sponsors the English Premiership, the show - hosted by Rhodri Williams and Will Carling - is really balanced and covers rugby from all areas. Well worth a listen.

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    Posted by 4-4-2 (U2203896) on Wednesday, 16th January 2008

    Quite. Hawksbee and Jacobs have an excellent show and have been together for nearly ten years now so it's quite a success story for them. I've also met them both on a few ocassions and they're top guys as well.

    And Ian Danter's shows are also very good on a Friday 7-10 and Sunday 12-5.

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    Posted by Binkie (U9634110) on Wednesday, 16th January 2008

    4-4-2.

    Is it Russ Williams who does the monday night 7-10 show ?

    If it is he very good and should do more show's.He has fitted in well at Talksport Towers.

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    Posted by 4-4-2 (U2203896) on Thursday, 17th January 2008

    Russ Williams has been confirmed as the replacement for Kelly Dalglish on Monday's Kick-Off show with Jason Cundy. I think he's an excellent addition to the team and he's also filled-in for Terry Christian once too on Saturday Final Whistle phone-in. He's certainly better than Kelly Dalglish and Rhodri Williams.

    Russ Willliams is also filling-in for Jim Proudfoot on Wednesday Night Football (7:00pm-11:00pm) in a couple of weeks too.

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    Posted by Blue_Baby40 (U6927591) on Thursday, 17th January 2008

    I'm a huge H&J fan. Have been since the old Thursday night show in 2000 (the time when Andy Jacobs nearly swore on air as Chelsea were losing to St Gallen).

    But my main claim to fame is that I recovered the legendary "Alan Brazil, it's 9.32 recording" smiley - smiley

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    Posted by Walsall_Chris (U2515779) on Saturday, 19th January 2008

    Good afternoon all.

    Russ Williams has been confirmed as the replacement for Kelly Dalglish on Monday's Kick-Off show with Jason Cundy. I think he's an excellent addition to the team and he's also filled-in for Terry Christian once too on Saturday Final Whistle phone-in. He's certainly better than Kelly Dalglish and Rhodri Williams. 

    Jason, I think you're being a bit harsh on both Rhodri Williams (more on him later) and Kelly Dalglish, both of whom I feel do/did a good job on talkSPORT's evening football programmes.

    However, like Leonard and yourself I rate Russ Williams and think he is a good addition to talkSPORT's 'Monday Night Football' team. Not only is Russ a good DJ on Virgin Radio, but I used to like his work for ITV Sport in the days when he used to anchor their coverage of the Nations Cup Snooker (a tournament which I think the WSA should bring back!) in the late 90's.

    He has done well so far on TS from what I have heard of him, particularly that time you mention when he filled in on The Final Whistle.

    Just a few more quick lines on talkSPORT's Sunday night rugby union show for Stewart (I ran out of time the other night!) - as I know that he's a rugby fan and thus will probably like the programme.

    talkSPORT's Rugby Show airs on a Sunday night between 8-10pm, sometimes before George Galloway comes on air, and is well worth a listen. It's quickly becoming one of my favourite TS shows alongside H&J.

    Although as the show is sponsored by the brewery who also are the main sponsors of the English Premiership, you'd be forgiven for thinking that it would largely concentrate on the English league and national team will little else noted. But you'd be wrong - from listening to it, I have heard all manor of things rugby covered, with every area of the game touched upon, from the games grassroots and fuding, the Celtic countries, France, Italy and rugby in the Southern Hemisphere too.

    As an example of this, the last time I listened the show included an interview with Scarlets head coach Phil Davies, news of Northampton's battle for promotion with the rest in National League 1 and thoughts on the proposed influx of Argentinian players into the Super 14. Although the programme has a lot of big name interviews with the likes of Wasps and England winger Paul Sackey (who was his usual bashful self when doing the Rugger Bugger bloke challenge!), it's not as Anglo-Centric as many other sports programmes on that station can be accused of being.

    I also think they have the presenter mix spot on. In Rhodri Williams and Will Carling they have two very different charecters from the game, but the juxtoposition works well. Whilst Will is a big name ex-England captain, who specialises in knowing all things about the English game, and can give a real insight into what is going on in the corridoors of power at the RFU, in Rhodri you have a traditional dyed-in-the-wool Welsh fan who as a broadcaster has covered many different areas of Rugby. Currently he is Setanta Sports' main Celtic League anchorman, but in the past he has presented coverage of the European Cup, Challenge Cup, Super 14 and Welsh Premiership during his time at Sky Sports/S4C - in fact I think the English domestic game is one of the few areas of rugby he hasn't covered until now!

    Despite being quite different, they have built up a good rappour and the show works well with a combination of light hearted features and serious discussions. It's the kind of show that talkSPORT - not TalkFootball as it's often accused of being - should be broadcasting and it's a very welcome addition to their schedule in my book.

    I also find it to be quite well scheduled; as I find there's usually not much on TV or radio of a Sunday evening until MOTD2 comes on, especially now Top Gear is off our screens, so it's nice to have something of interest in that gap.

    Stewart, the next time Galloway's on a Sunday, might be worth tuning in a bit early to see what you think of this show. smiley - smiley

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    Posted by David Shield - Listener Number: (U1249220) on Monday, 21st January 2008

    Edith Bowman obviously

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    Posted by Walsall_Chris (U2515779) on Monday, 28th January 2008

    Are we playing 'complete the sentance' here?

    Edith Bowman obviously 

    ...hosts a good show on Radio 1, but one that's not a patch on the excellent Hawksbee & Jacobs over on talkSPORT at the same time? smiley - biggrin

    Seriously David - I've see over on another thread that you mentioned that Edith will be off on maternity leave from her Radio 1 show. So, if her cover is a bit dire - say Dick & Dom, or Reggie Yates, or worse still Scott Mills 'Gold' - then surely it would be the perfect time to give H&J a try.

    I know you've not given them a chance because you like Edith so much - but what with you being both a fan of a wide variety of sports and Harry Hill-style comedy, this show should be right up your alley. smiley - smiley

    Stewart, have you managed to catch H&J (or the other non-Galloway TS shows I reccomended) yet?

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    Posted by Stewart Henry (U1375435) on Monday, 28th January 2008

    Good evening Chris, and all other non-WUM posters (see other threads).

    Stewart, have you managed to catch H&J (or the other non-Galloway TS shows I reccomended) yet? 

    Actually Chris, I have a day off tomorrow, my first weekday since Christmas, so I shall be able to give H&J a listen, and may even check out Mr Gaunt, see if he is as bad as many people suggest.

    Await some feedback in the coming days Mr Chris smiley - smiley.

    As for The Rugby Show, I have been trying to get a chance to listen for about a month now, since I originally came across it in the Radio Times schedule, so thankyou for the detailed programme information, I think that Five Live lacks this type of regular programme, especially now that we have reached one of the highlights of the rugby season.

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    Posted by David Shield - Listener Number: (U1249220) on Tuesday, 29th January 2008

    Evening Chris and Stewart

    Are we playing 'complete the sentance' here? 

    Edith Bowman obviously is my choice of radio listening every weekday afternoon between 1.00 and 4.00pm unless there is any live sport on Five Live/Radio 4 LW.

    Was the correct answer!

    Seriously David - I've see over on another thread that you mentioned that Edith will be off on maternity leave from her Radio 1 show. So, if her cover is a bit dire - say Dick & Dom, or Reggie Yates, or worse still Scott Mills 'Gold' - then surely it would be the perfect time to give H&J a try.

    I know you've not given them a chance because you like Edith so much - but what with you being both a fan of a wide variety of sports and Harry Hill-style comedy, this show should be right up your alley. 


    Good point Chirs, Edith does have some damian leave this summer. If a damian host is brought in I might give it a go sometime, but no promises. I actually think Edith has timed it well, she will be off at the time of year when I don't hear her everyday with the likes of TMS and Wimbledon taking priority.

    As for The Rugby Show, I have been trying to get a chance to listen for about a month now, since I originally came across it in the Radio Times schedule, so thankyou for the detailed programme information, I think that Five Live lacks this type of regular programme, especially now that we have reached one of the highlights of the rugby season. 

    I agree this is something Five Live ignored for a number of years but they have made massive improvements in this area over the past couple of seasons. They have a monthly Rugby Special programme and an edition before every weekend of the Six Nations. Plus I was really impressed with the number of previews and debates during the recent Rugby World Cup.

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    Posted by Stewart Henry (U1375435) on Tuesday, 29th January 2008

    Good evening David.

    I agree this is something Five Live ignored for a number of years but they have made massive improvements in this area over the past couple of seasons. They have a monthly Rugby Special programme and an edition before every weekend of the Six Nations. Plus I was really impressed with the number of previews and debates during the recent Rugby World Cup. 

    Yes, I always try to catch the monthly rugby programmes. Matt Dawson's Six Nations preview this Thursday evening has been trailed all week on Five Live, and we'll see how he fares, but I think I would prefer to hear Mark Saggers hosting it.

    Also, rugby league's Super League 2008 season gets under way this week, with Leeds Rhinos up against Hull Kingston Rovers on Saturday evening, but I can't see any information in the Five Live schedules about a preview show or any live commentary. I hope the station will return to their weekly live commentaries which have been absent in recent seasons- I remember in the early days, Five Live having two second half commentaries every week (on 'Friday Sport' and 'Sunday Superleague').

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    Posted by David Shield - Listener Number: (U1249220) on Tuesday, 29th January 2008

    Hi Stewart

    Yes, I always try to catch the monthly rugby programmes. Matt Dawson's Six Nations preview this Thursday evening has been trailed all week on Five Live, and we'll see how he fares, but I think I would prefer to hear Mark Saggers hosting it. 

    I'm expecting Sags to be co-host like how Darren Gough and Phil Tufnell have done the cricket shows, hope so anyway.

    Also, rugby league's Super League 2008 season gets under way this week, with Leeds Rhinos up against Hull Kingston Rovers on Saturday evening, but I can't see any information in the Five Live schedules about a preview show or any live commentary. I hope the station will return to their weekly live commentaries which have been absent in recent seasons- I remember in the early days, Five Live having two second half commentaries every week (on 'Friday Sport' and 'Sunday Superleague'). 

    Am I right that is the only fixture this weekend to allow Leeds to play the world match in a few weeks? I would expect Five Live would do a proper preview before the season properly starts.

    The Superleague Show is back this Sunday on BBC2 at 5.25pm. I'm sure it will be online for those outside the region or without the right digital system.

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    Posted by Stewart Henry (U1375435) on Tuesday, 29th January 2008

    Thanks David.

    Yeah, I think that would make sense having Mark Saggers co-hosting, but this isn't the way it is being trailed. Five Live have a habit of trailing the names of presenters who also appear on various TV programmes, at the expense of often better journalists.

    That is a fair point about the Super League David, but it would seem a little silly if Five Live were to host a preview show after the Super League season got underway, so I think it needs to be before this Saturday's game. I hope that Stewart Pyke, who has been busy with other projects, will be part of the Five Live team again this season.

    I didn't get to see much of The Superleague Show last season, so I hope that I have more opportunities to catch it online this season.

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    Posted by David Shield - Listener Number: (U1249220) on Wednesday, 30th January 2008

    Evening Stewart

    Yeah, I think that would make sense having Mark Saggers co-hosting, but this isn't the way it is being trailed. Five Live have a habit of trailing the names of presenters who also appear on various TV programmes, at the expense of often better journalists. 

    Yeah I agree sometimes they do get in big names as away of hooking the punters in if you like. I thought it worked quite well on the cricket show with Phil Tufnell and Darren Gough. I know it wasn't a pacth on Agnew's World of Cricket but much better than the Jamie Theakston version. Dawson has been a regular on the Rugby Special shows so I'm not expecting too much difference.

    That is a fair point about the Super League David, but it would seem a little silly if Five Live were to host a preview show after the Super League season got underway, so I think it needs to be before this Saturday's game. I hope that Stewart Pyke, who has been busy with other projects, will be part of the Five Live team again this season. 

    Yes I agree Stewart, but there again to me it seems a silly way to start the season. To be honest I can't see any previews trailed for next week either, just my favourite show Five Live Boxing next Thursday from 9.00pm. Hopefully a Superleague preview will be on at 8.00pm though.

    I certainly do hope that Pykey will remain involved. I hope George Riley will as well but not in place of Stuart.

    I didn't get to see much of The Superleague Show last season, so I hope that I have more opportunities to catch it online this season. 

    Here is the press release, no major changes both Harry Gration and Dave Woods remain in the main roles.

    www.bbc.co.uk/presso...

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    Posted by Walsall_Chris (U2515779) on Sunday, 3rd February 2008

    Good afternoon Stewart and David.

    Actually Chris, I have a day off tomorrow, my first weekday since Christmas, so I shall be able to give H&J a listen, and may even check out Mr Gaunt, see if he is as bad as many people suggest.

    Await some feedback in the coming days Mr Chris smiley - smiley 


    Just bumping up this discussion, have you had chance yet to catch Hawksbee & Jacobs? They've been on good form recently with some fairly decent guests from the comedy world.

    I wouldn't recommend the show that preceeds them though!

    Yes, I always try to catch the monthly rugby programmes. Matt Dawson's Six Nations preview this Thursday evening has been trailed all week on Five Live, and we'll see how he fares, but I think I would prefer to hear Mark Saggers hosting it. 

    Matt Dawson. Oh dear! Personally I can't stand the plummy bufoon and how he thinks he is oh-so-funny. I can see this show being a bit Anglo-centric to say the least!

    In contrast, talkSPORT's Rugby Show should be a good listen tonight. Rhodri will be on top form, that's for sure! smiley - biggrin

    David, along with H&J I think you should give that show a go as well. I know Will Carling isn't a favourite of yours, but his partnership with Rhor placates him somewhat and the show works well. Plus, it covers much more than just the English league and national side. It is right up your street.

    The Superleague Show is back this Sunday on BBC2 at 5.25pm. I'm sure it will be online for those outside the region or without the right digital system. 

    Just a quick line on this. I was just thinking how great it would be if the powers that be at BBC Sport decided to stream both The Super League Show (and BBC North-West's other RL magazine shows like Rugby League Raw), and BBC Wales' Scrum V Sunday evening show on BBCi, like they do with the live Scrum V matches.

    Seeing that both shows are streamed on the BBC Sport website as you mention, I don't see why they couldn't air both shows (as I believe they rarely 'clash' with each other) on one of the interactive channels on Freeview as well. I know those interested can watch the show online - although some people have slow connections, some don't like 'buffering' and others only have limited internet access - but I know I would prefer to watch the shows via the TV and I think others would to.

    Obviously, live sport should take preference over magazine programmes, and on the Sundays where there is a lot of live sport on Interactive (such as today), the show could be bumped from the schedules of 301 and 302 and onto one of the BBC's digital channels. But most Sunday afternoons the interactive channels aren't being used, so it would be great if they could put The Superleague Show and/or Scrum V onto this platform.

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    Posted by Stewart Henry (U1375435) on Sunday, 3rd February 2008

    Hello David and Chris.

    Looking at some of David's points first;

    Yeah I agree sometimes they do get in big names as away of hooking the punters in if you like. I thought it worked quite well on the cricket show with Phil Tufnell and Darren Gough. I know it wasn't a pacth on Agnew's World of Cricket but much better than the Jamie Theakston version.  

    Yes, I agree about Jamie Theakston, and excellent DJ on Radio One, and a shame he didn't get a full-time slot there, but with regards to Five Live, he couldn't handle live sports discussion.

    but there again to me it seems a silly way to start the season. To be honest I can't see any previews trailed for next week either, just my favourite show Five Live Boxing next Thursday from 9.00pm. Hopefully a Superleague preview will be on at 8.00pm though.
     


    I don't see why the game couldn't have been scheduled for a midweek during the season, which is what would happen if a game were postponed due to weather conditions etc. Dave Woods was at the Leeds-Hull KR game for Five Live last night, so I assume that he won't be providing the television and online highlights for TV, or are the highlights done as a voice-over?

    On Chris's post;

    Just bumping up this discussion, have you had chance yet to catch Hawksbee & Jacobs? They've been on good form recently with some fairly decent guests from the comedy world. 

    Yes, I managed to hear the final hour of Tuesday's show and I must say, I rather enjoyed the mix of discussion and banter. The comparison with Tam and Stuart on Radio Scotland, is very accurate. I will certainly try to give it another listen in the next few weeks, in order to get a fuller appreciation of the show. It is actually the sort of programme which would be ideal on Five Live on Saturday mornings, if Eammon Holmes were to decide to move on.

    Just one thing that annoyed me about the programme, were the rather "cheap" jokes about the BBC spending licence fee money ("their money") on too many football match reporters. I think that any half decent broadcasters shouldn't lower themselves to 'pointscore' by attacking other broadcasters.

    All-in-all an entertaining show, and certainly a good way to spend a free afternoon.

    Thanks for that Chris.

    In contrast, talkSPORT's Rugby Show should be a good listen tonight. Rhodri will be on top form, that's for sure!  

    Yes, I still have to give this a proper go, at least there will be plenty to talk about this evening.

    Have you listened to the 'Football Quiz' on Saturday evenings. I quite enjoy it, but I think at two hours, it drags on a little too long, and a more compact one hour show would be enough.

    Just a quick line on this. I was just thinking how great it would be if the powers that be at BBC Sport decided to stream both The Super League Show (and BBC North-West's other RL magazine shows like Rugby League Raw), and BBC Wales' Scrum V Sunday evening show on BBCi, like they do with the live Scrum V matches. 

    Yes, I like the sound of this Chris. It is a little like our suggestions for Five Live Sports Extra to carry commentaries from local radio. Today's Scottish Cup tie between Hibernian and Rangers on Radio Scotland is the perfect example.








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    Posted by PhilW (U1357752) on Sunday, 3rd February 2008

    regarding the superleague show.

    if its shown on bbc2 as it was today then its not available across the country via sky digital.

    digital bbc2 england cant be split into regions like bbc1 so on bbc2 its an analogue opt out.

    we have to change to analogue tv if we want to watch it.

    the only region in the country to be totally digital is a big rugby league stronghold so they will miss out.

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    Posted by Walsall_Chris (U2515779) on Sunday, 3rd February 2008

    Good evening Stewart and Phil.

    Yes, I managed to hear the final hour of Tuesday's show and I must say, I rather enjoyed the mix of discussion and banter. The comparison with Tam and Stuart on Radio Scotland, is very accurate. I will certainly try to give it another listen in the next few weeks, in order to get a fuller appreciation of the show. It is actually the sort of programme which would be ideal on Five Live on Saturday mornings, if Eammon Holmes were to decide to move on.

    Just one thing that annoyed me about the programme, were the rather "cheap" jokes about the BBC spending licence fee money ("their money") on too many football match reporters. I think that any half decent broadcasters shouldn't lower themselves to 'pointscore' by attacking other broadcasters.

    All-in-all an entertaining show, and certainly a good way to spend a free afternoon.

    Thanks for that Chris. 


    No problem Stewart.

    Did you hear "Nigel Pearson's" (AKA The Voice Of Them All Ian Danter's) Pearson Around? Funny stuff! smiley - laugh

    You do get the odd cheap joke about the BBC at times, like the rest of us H&J watch MOTD and they comment on what they say - and it turns out that, although Andy continuely lightly baits him for his Cardiffian mannerisms, Ian Gwyn-Hughes is actually a big fan of the show! Andy doesn't have the best relationship with the Beeb, he them left in acrimonius circumstances apparently, so is not afraid to be critical towards them - and by the sound of it, he did have a point in that instance (as I imagine it was more him than Paul who made this accusation).

    But yeah, it is a very good show. Glad you liked the recommendation. smiley - smiley

    Have you listened to the 'Football Quiz' on Saturday evenings. I quite enjoy it, but I think at two hours, it drags on a little too long, and a more compact one hour show would be enough. 

    Yes, I've caught a bit of this show on the way back from away games from time to time.

    I think The Football Quiz is a good show, Rhodri again does a good job as it's presenter - and it has the advantage of keeping you hanging on as you want to know the answer to the trivia question posed (well, it has that effect on me anyway).

    I think a two-hour format is probably sensible. Having the football phone-in ending at 8pm, and the evening debate show starting at 10pm seems to be the way to go, and thus therefore 2 hours is the right length.

    Yes, I like the sound of this Chris. It is a little like our suggestions for Five Live Sports Extra to carry commentaries from local radio. Today's Scottish Cup tie between Hibernian and Rangers on Radio Scotland is the perfect example. 

    Stewart, you might be interested to hear that a few weeks ago - on the day when Five Live Sports Extra provided commentary on three back-to-back Championship matches on a Saturday, for the Sheffield United-Sheffield Wednesday derby match, FLSE actually simulcasted BBC Radio Sheffield's commentary rather than provide their own.

    That seems the right way to go, especially for a match where the local radio commentary will be balanced due to the two teams being involved being local clubs.

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    Posted by Stewart Henry (U1375435) on Sunday, 3rd February 2008

    Good evening Chris.

    Did you hear "Nigel Pearson's" (AKA The Voice Of Them All Ian Danter's) Pearson Around? Funny stuff!  

    No, I didn't year Nigel Pearson, is he a regular on H&J, as he also does the occasional bit of presentation on TalkSPORT.

    I think a two-hour format is probably sensible. Having the football phone-in ending at 8pm, and the evening debate show starting at 10pm seems to be the way to go, and thus therefore 2 hours is the right length. 

    Yeah, that makes sense Chris, but I am not sure that just becuase there are two hours to fill, the quiz should therefore last two hours. Anyway, it is probably more the trailers and plugs that make the programme seem over-lengthy. I like the idea of a football quiz on Saturday night, and I agree though that the desire to find out the answer to 'teaser' type questions, does keep me listening.

    Stewart, you might be interested to hear that a few weeks ago - on the day when Five Live Sports Extra provided commentary on three back-to-back Championship matches on a Saturday, for the Sheffield United-Sheffield Wednesday derby match, FLSE actually simulcasted BBC Radio Sheffield's commentary rather than provide their own.  

    I didn't know that Chris. It makes a lot of sense and I hope that Sports Extra will be doing this more often. Listeners on Sports Extra could have had the option of hearing David Begg commentating on what was a thrilling cup tie between Hibs and Rangers, but instead I had to listen on a very poor 810MW reception in the corenr of our wine cellar- the only place where I can get a decent Radio Scotland signal smiley - sadface .

    Furthermore, this Wednesday evening, I don't understand why Sports Extra aren't carrying the Radio Ulster commentary of Northern Ireland's friendly against Switzerland.




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    Posted by David Shield - Listener Number: (U1249220) on Tuesday, 5th February 2008

    Evening all

    David, along with H&J I think you should give that show a go as well. I know Will Carling isn't a favourite of yours, but his partnership with Rhor placates him somewhat and the show works well. Plus, it covers much more than just the English league and national side. It is right up your street. 

    When is it on?

    Just a quick line on this. I was just thinking how great it would be if the powers that be at BBC Sport decided to stream both The Super League Show (and BBC North-West's other RL magazine shows like Rugby League Raw), and BBC Wales' Scrum V Sunday evening show on BBCi, like they do with the live Scrum V matches. 

    It’s a good idea and one I support. However with regards the Super League Show I think it should be networked.

    Yes, I agree about Jamie Theakston, and excellent DJ on Radio One, and a shame he didn't get a full-time slot there, but with regards to Five Live, he couldn't handle live sports discussion. 

    I didn’t really like him on Radio 1 that much either, I did like him on Live & Kicking and The O Zone though. At Radio 1 Edith Bowman (alongside Colin Murray) was brought in to replace him so I’m personally pleased he left!

    I don't see why the game couldn't have been scheduled for a midweek during the season, which is what would happen if a game were postponed due to weather conditions etc. Dave Woods was at the Leeds-Hull KR game for Five Live last night, so I assume that he won't be providing the television and online highlights for TV, or are the highlights done as a voice-over? 

    Yeah exactly. The highlights for the past 2-3 seasons apart from the play-off matches have always been dubbing in after the match. If you saw it Dave Woods commentated and then was a studio guest, it’s a long time since I’ve seen Dave in the studio with Harry.

    I was a bit disappointed with the show to be honest, new music and not a slick as it has been over the last couple of seasons and a shocking screen set-up.

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    Posted by PhilW (U1357752) on Wednesday, 6th February 2008

    theyve recently had local radio commentary over some of the action which is a great improvement on dubbing.

    re the leeds game.

    it would be grossly unfair for any team to play a midweek game in between 2 weekend matches.

    this is not football.

    why for instance should hull kr be penalised because leeds are playing in the world club championship when they were due to play them.

    fortunately few games are postponed because of the weather.

    can only remember one last year and that was because of the floods in hull.

    lookks like friday games will start at 7.30 this season.

    certainly the first 2 involving warrington are.

    ideal for me because ill be able to watch a full game before going to work at 9.15.

    usually have to miss the second half of games.

    looks like theres going to be no commentary games this weekend again.

    wonder when the first match will be.

    on friday theyve got football talk ,again, on five live and football on sports extra.

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    Posted by 4-4-2 (U2203896) on Wednesday, 6th February 2008

    Talksport's Rugby Show is on Sundays between 8:00pm-10:00pm. This week's show is presented by Rhodri Williams with Chris Sheasby and Will Carling live from Cardiff.

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    Posted by Walsall_Chris (U2515779) on Saturday, 9th February 2008

    Good morning everyone (I feel like Richie Benaud typing that!) smiley - winkeye

    <quote>Did you hear "Nigel Pearson's" (AKA The Voice Of Them All Ian Danter's) Pearson Around? Funny stuff!</quote>

    No, I didn't year Nigel Pearson, is he a regular on H&J, as he also does the occasional bit of presentation on TalkSPORT.</quote>

    Ah, sorry Stewart - just looking over your previous post I think I got my wires crossed - I thought that you'd typed that you'd heard the final hour of a show the other Thursday, when you would have heard 'Pearson Around', rather than the Tuesday that you actually did.

    Nigel doesn't often appear on H&J - however he does have "his own" 3.30pm call-in quiz, or rather one done in tribute to himself voiced by his friend and colleague Ian Danter, nicknamed 'The Voice Of Them All' due to his great ability to nail impersonations dead on. The quiz is where "Nigel" (or rather Ian, in an over-the-top take on Nige's bombastic style) describes global places he has visited that callers have to guess. I actually caught the show last Thursday and this had me in stitches, Dants is proving to be a great find by H&J and his role on the show is increasing.

    I believe on Tuesday you would have heard The Fat Lady Sings - where callers have the length of Aussie Rules commentator Rex Hunt's 'song' to mark the end of an AFL game to guess a closest-to-the-pin style question. Other 3.30pm quizes are 'Milton' (where callers have to come up with rubbish answers to quiz questions, in the style of a former TS competition regular) and 'One Size Fitz Hall' (where callers have to come up with nicknames - in the style of the one given to Hall by Iain Dowie during his Oldham days - for usually fairly obscure sports people) on Wednesdays.

    As for Nigel Pearson, he's a regular on talkSPORT but not really on H&J.

    As you probably know, he is talkSPORT Premiership match commentator on their live Saturday 3pm games, where he has done every live match in this slot thus far this season. He also tends to present the Saturday Matchday Live show whenever there is no commentary game. He also presents talkSPORT's Champions League coverage on Tuesdays and Wednesdays, plus the Tuesday night Champions League phone-ins.

    On top of this, he occasionally fills-in for absent presenters on the regular evening football programmes, and can be heard as one of talkSPORT's West Midlands football reporters when there are games on in my region and he is not commentating or presenting elsewhere.

    <quote>Yeah, that makes sense Chris, but I am not sure that just becuase there are two hours to fill, the quiz should therefore last two hours.</quote>

    But what else can you do? Another 1 hour programme could be seen as being too short. I actually think 2 hours is the right amount, as you don't get through that many callers in just 1 hour to have enough to have a good run of setting, and then having people to break, a good score like 7 or 8 to make it interesting for people following the competition as well as the teasers.

    Personally I think it's a simple, easy listen that is right for that timeslot. I enjoy listening to both of Rhodri Williams' slots on talkSPORT, at the moment I think he's amongst the best presenters they have.

    <quote>I didn't know that Chris. It makes a lot of sense and I hope that Sports Extra will be doing this more often. Listeners on Sports Extra could have had the option of hearing David Begg commentating on what was a thrilling cup tie between Hibs and Rangers, but instead I had to listen on a very poor 810MW reception in the corenr of our wine cellar- the only place where I can get a decent Radio Scotland signal smiley - sadface</quote>

    Just one more nuggett of information about Five Live Sports Extra's simulcast of BBC Radio Sheffield's coverage of the Steel City derby - the commentary team was Paul Walker & Seth Bennett with David Holdsworth & John Pearson.

    I think Walker & Pearson are Radio Sheffield's usual Wednesday team, with Bennett & Holdsworth usually covering United, so it made sense to have a 4-man team for the big game. We've heard Paul Walker on Five Live before as a reporter, whilst research tells me that Bennett has been pushed up the Radio Sheffield ranks to succeed Luke Wileman (an occasional Five Live commentator a few seasons back), who has since moved to host Premiership radio coverage in Toronto, Canada.

    As for that Hibernian-Rangers game - was it really a thriller? I didn't see or hear the game, but I did see the team-sheets when they came through and Rangers looked quite understrength, so I did feel Hibs could get a result. But 0-0 suggests that Hibs' at times fast-moving attack didn't come off and instead it was more a case of an organised performance, with the former Grimbsy Town captain Rob Jones again at the heart of it, grinding out the result.

    As a Leeds fan - you must have been dissapointed that Jones' move eventually fell through, and that you missed out on Danny Fox when Coventry usurped your bid for the former Walsall left-back.

    <quote>Furthermore, this Wednesday evening, I don't understand why Sports Extra aren't carrying the Radio Ulster commentary of Northern Ireland's friendly against Switzerland.</quote>

    On Wednesday night, Radio Five Live Sports Extra should have been carrying international commentary - but definetley not on the Northern Ireland.

    Stewart, I know you are an an Ulsterman, but surely you would have to admit that the Wales-Norway game was much more deserving of an airing on FLSE that night.

    Unlike Northern Ireland-Bulgaria, which was available to the whole of the UK via BBC Interactive, Wales were the only one of the four 'home nations' playing that evening who's game was not available via a BBC or other terrestrial channel. Instead it was on Sky Sports, which not everyone has access too, and even in Wales pubs have been known to screen England matches ahead of those involving the principality!

    As for not putting the Northern Ireland-Bulgaria game on Sports Extra, I actually think the BBC were right not to do this. As the friendly international, rights to the game would have had to have been acquired on an individual basis, either for the BBC to do their own commentary or to simulcast the Radio Ulster commentary on another platform.

    And I do believe the BBC would have felt that the audience they were likely to get would not have justified the money they would have spent.

    I often go on about the three ways of listening to FLSE, and I will again. One is via the internet, and I don't know about UEFA's policy towards friendlies, but if it's anything like it is towards Champions League games and European Championship qualifiers then the BBC would not have been able to 'stream' the commentary.

    Secondly, it would be highly unlikely that you would have garnered any listeners via FLSE's digital TV platforms, as the game was widely available via the BBC Interactive channels - and most people will choose to watch coverage of the game rather than just listen to a blank screen.

    You do have the digital radio audience, but I believe there would have been little demand for commentary via this medium as well - as I think that it's true that the majority of people who have DAB access do so at home, and would probably also have digital TV access, so would be able to see the game as well.

    On the other hand, covering Wales vs Norway on Five Live Sports Extra would have made far more sense - simply because digital TV and radio listeners did not have the choice of watching pictures of that game unless they suscribed to Sky Sports, so there would have been much more of a market for that than there would NI-Bulgaria.

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    Posted by Walsall_Chris (U2515779) on Saturday, 9th February 2008

    David, along with H&J I think you should give that show a go as well. I know Will Carling isn't a favourite of yours, but his partnership with Rhor placates him somewhat and the show works well. Plus, it covers much more than just the English league and national side. It is right up your street. 

    When is it on? 


    Jason has answered your question for me, but I might as well repeat him in that the show is on every Sunday between 8-10pm.

    This tends to be a bit of a quiet time in the weekend, and there usually is not much on TV or radio at that time - so is well worth a go for all rugby fans. A very decent listen, I would say one of the best shows on talkSPORT right now.

    Just a quick line on this. I was just thinking how great it would be if the powers that be at BBC Sport decided to stream both The Super League Show (and BBC North-West's other RL magazine shows like Rugby League Raw), and BBC Wales' Scrum V Sunday evening show on BBCi, like they do with the live Scrum V matches. 

    It’s a good idea and one I support. However with regards the Super League Show I think it should be networked. 


    Don't get me wrong, I certainly wouldn't be against a full networking of the Super League Show (or Scrum V, for that matter).

    But seeing as that is unlikely to happen, then I think sticking these shows on 301 or 302 on Freeview is a great compromise situation - allowing those who want to watch them outside of the regions they air the chance to do so, without having to impede the usual BBC Sunday schedules at the chagrin of other viewers.

    On this, just going back to a point Phil made which I didn't have time to address the other day...

    regarding the superleague show.

    if its shown on bbc2 as it was today then its not available across the country via sky digital.

    digital bbc2 england cant be split into regions like bbc1 so on bbc2 its an analogue opt out.

    we have to change to analogue tv if we want to watch it.

    the only region in the country to be totally digital is a big rugby league stronghold so they will miss out. 


    How does that work?

    I know that Scrum V airs on one of the BBC 2 regions - although perhaps BBC 2 Wales is different to the BBC England regions - and yet this programme can still be broadcast via Sky Digital and is not blocked.

    My arguement is that, whichever frequency, channel or area the show may air on in it's usual BBC2 slot - that it should be simulcast on the usually-empty BBC interactive channels, 301 and 302 on Freeview but also available on other platforms.

    I don't think doing this would effect the regional terrestrial broadcast of the show - and seeing as though they can show it live online, I don't see why they don't do this as well. If it's good enough for Scrum V Live, then surely it's OK for RL too.

    And if one of the big RL strongholds in the UK are missing out on its terrestrial airing, then that is even more reason to do so - as everyone in a totally digital area of the country will get to watch the show that way!

    Yeah exactly. The highlights for the past 2-3 seasons apart from the play-off matches have always been dubbing in after the match. If you saw it Dave Woods commentated and then was a studio guest, it’s a long time since I’ve seen Dave in the studio with Harry.

    I was a bit disappointed with the show to be honest, new music and not a slick as it has been over the last couple of seasons and a shocking screen set-up. 


    I'm intrigued and a little surprised that you don't like the BBC's new Super League Show set-up David, you are rarely critical of BBC Sport unless it really is justified, so it must be a bit of a mess.

    On this subject - will Damian Johnson be involved at all with BBC TV's RL coverage this season? He has been excellent at the Africa Cup of Nations, his reports have been good - I particularly enjoyed the one where he battled vertigo on a rope bridge in a national forest before going to get smashed with some locals in Tamale, who were producing what looked like the most potent home brew you've ever seen!

    Seriously though, Damian is not only a quality package reporter, he's also been very capable as an RL anchor whenever I've seen him do Challenge Cup games. I hope they use him this season.

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    Posted by David Shield - Listener Number: (U1249220) on Monday, 11th February 2008

    Evening all

    re the leeds game.

    it would be grossly unfair for any team to play a midweek game in between 2 weekend matches.

    this is not football.

    why for instance should hull kr be penalised because leeds are playing in the world club championship when they were due to play them. 


    Fair point phil, but I still think it’s a bit stupid to start the season with only one game on the first weekend. It was ideal in the past when the World Club Challenege was before the Superleague started.

    When is the World Club Challenge this year?

    lookks like friday games will start at 7.30 this season.

    certainly the first 2 involving warrington are.

    ideal for me because ill be able to watch a full game before going to work at 9.15.

    usually have to miss the second half of games. 


    Not so good for me, this means Sky’s boxing coverage is going to start at 9.30pm. Not much time to get a seat a settled before the big fights start as I usually only get to the pub for about that time.

    Good morning everyone (I feel like Richie Benaud typing that!) 

    Were you wearing a cream blazer at the time?

    Just one more nuggett of information about Five Live Sports Extra's simulcast of BBC Radio Sheffield's coverage of the Steel City derby - the commentary team was Paul Walker & Seth Bennett with David Holdsworth & John Pearson.

    I think Walker & Pearson are Radio Sheffield's usual Wednesday team, with Bennett & Holdsworth usually covering United, so it made sense to have a 4-man team for the big game. We've heard Paul Walker on Five Live before as a reporter, whilst research tells me that Bennett has been pushed up the Radio Sheffield ranks to succeed Luke Wileman (an occasional Five Live commentator a few seasons back), who has since moved to host Premiership radio coverage in Toronto, Canada. 


    How did the coverage work with 4 commentators? When Newcastle play Sunderland Radio Newcastle have coverage for Newcastle with Mick Lowes on one frequency and Sunderland coverage with Nick Barnes on another frequency.

    Don't get me wrong, I certainly wouldn't be against a full networking of the Super League Show (or Scrum V, for that matter).

    But seeing as that is unlikely to happen, then I think sticking these shows on 301 or 302 on Freeview is a great compromise situation - allowing those who want to watch them outside of the regions they air the chance to do so, without having to impede the usual BBC Sunday schedules at the chagrin of other viewers. 


    Well this is exciting news which Harry Gration referred to on yesterday’s show and now Roger Mosey has blogged about it.

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    From this Sunday BBC2 are going to repeat the show fully networked. Yes it is going to be late but it will give people the chance to record it. This is a great move by the BBC.

    The only problem I see is that there will be matches taking place on the Sunday that won’t be covered in the show. If it is a success then maybe in the future the show will be fully networked in the lunchtime slot.

    Great news.

    I know that Scrum V airs on one of the BBC 2 regions - although perhaps BBC 2 Wales is different to the BBC England regions - and yet this programme can still be broadcast via Sky Digital and is not blocked. 

    There are no regional versions of BBC2 available on Sky Digital other than for Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. This is mainly because apart from the Superleague Show there are no other regional variations on BBC2 these days with Inside Out, the political show and all regional news on BBC1 these days. The Superleague is usually on BBC1 most weeks its only the odd week its on BBC2.

    I'm intrigued and a little surprised that you don't like the BBC's new Super League Show set-up David, you are rarely critical of BBC Sport unless it really is justified, so it must be a bit of a mess. 

    It was just a couple of little things to be honest Chris. When the Superleague Show started 7/8 years back you could tell it was a local production it was a bit rough rounds the edges, enjoyable all the same but you could just tell. Over the last 3 or 4 seasons and I can’t remember who the production company was the whole production was a lot slicker and a more professional effort.

    The first show of the season seemed a bit rougher again. For some reason it was show in letterbox format as well. Yesterday show was a lot better now they have got going again. It’s still a great show with two legendary broadcasters Harry Gration and Dave Woods.

    On this subject - will Damian Johnson be involved at all with BBC TV's RL coverage this season? He has been excellent at the Africa Cup of Nations, his reports have been good - I particularly enjoyed the one where he battled vertigo on a rope bridge in a national forest before going to get smashed with some locals in Tamale, who were producing what looked like the most potent home brew you've ever seen!

    Seriously though, Damian is not only a quality package reporter, he's also been very capable as an RL anchor whenever I've seen him do Challenge Cup games. I hope they use him this season. 


    Yes Damian is an excellent reporter, one of the best the BBC have. I’m sure Damian will continue his regular roles with rugby league, pitchside reporter for live Challenge Cup ties and he is Harry’s regular deputy as host of the Superleague Show. You would never have got me on that rope bridge!

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    Posted by Walsall_Chris (U2515779) on Monday, 11th February 2008

    Good evening David.

    Were you wearing a cream blazer at the time? 

    smiley - laugh

    How did the coverage work with 4 commentators? When Newcastle play Sunderland Radio Newcastle have coverage for Newcastle with Mick Lowes on one frequency and Sunderland coverage with Nick Barnes on another frequency. 

    I think Paul Walker handed over to Seth Bennett midway through each half, with the two co-commentators doing the full 90 minutes in a three headed commentary style that you hear on time to time on local radio, especially when local derbies are covered.

    By the way, good to hear Paul Walker making an appearance on Match Of The Day at the weekend. Not a commentary debut as such, although he was the voice we heard commentating on Jamal Campbell-Ryce's stunner for Barnsley (who are in Radio Sheffield's South Yorkshire catchment area) over Southend United in the FA Cup Fifth Round which was selected for a Goal Of The Month nomination.

    Well this is exciting news which Harry Gration referred to on yesterday’s show and now Roger Mosey has blogged about it.

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    From this Sunday BBC2 are going to repeat the show fully networked. Yes it is going to be late but it will give people the chance to record it. This is a great move by the BBC.

    The only problem I see is that there will be matches taking place on the Sunday that won’t be covered in the show. If it is a success then maybe in the future the show will be fully networked in the lunchtime slot.

    Great news. 


    This is great stuff, a top decision by Roger Mosey and I'm glad those pesky schedulers went for it.

    The midnight slot fits in well as well, after not only Match Of The Day 2 but the always-welcome Father Ted re-runs over on More4, nice scheudling! smiley - biggrin

    I look forward to watching the show - have never really followed it on the website but might do now it's on 'normal' TV.

    Cheers for the other details re: the Super League Show and the BBC regions.

    One more thing, about Damian Johnson's report from Tamale...

    You would never have got me on that rope bridge! 

    Yes, but would you have braved that strong home brew?

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    Posted by Stewart Henry (U1375435) on Tuesday, 12th February 2008

    Hello Phil.

    re the leeds game.

    it would be grossly unfair for any team to play a midweek game in between 2 weekend matches.

    this is not football.

    why for instance should hull kr be penalised because leeds are playing in the world club championship when they were due to play them.

    fortunately few games are postponed because of the weather.

    can only remember one last year and that was because of the floods in hull. 


    Fair point about Hull KR, Phil, it would have made more sense for Leeds to rearrange their world club fixture, surely there can be flexibility between the two teams involved.

    In your opinion, Phil, do you think that both rugby league and union teams shouldn't have to play more than one game in a week, or just league, since it moves as a faster pace?

    looks like theres going to be no commentary games this weekend again.

    wonder when the first match will be.

    on friday theyve got football talk ,again, on five live and football on sports extra. 


    The good news is that there is a live game on Sports Extra this Friday, Phil, St Helens v Warrington. This is great news for me, as I have been working this past four Friday evenings, but not this Friday evening.

    www.bbc.co.uk/fiveli...

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    Posted by Stewart Henry (U1375435) on Tuesday, 12th February 2008

    Hello David and Chris.


    As for Nigel Pearson, he's a regular on talkSPORT but not really on H&J.

    As you probably know, he is talkSPORT Premiership match commentator on their live Saturday 3pm games, where he has done every live match in this slot thus far this season. He also tends to present the Saturday Matchday Live show whenever there is no commentary game. He also presents talkSPORT's Champions League coverage on Tuesdays and Wednesdays, plus the Tuesday night Champions League phone-ins.

    On top of this, he occasionally fills-in for absent presenters on the regular evening football programmes, and can be heard as one of talkSPORT's West Midlands football reporters when there are games on in my region and he is not commentating or presenting elsewhere. 


    Thanks for the supplementary information, Chris. I must admit, I have never heard Nigel Pearson commentating, but yourself and several other regular TalkSPORT listeners, rate him very highly as a commentator. Which Five Live commentator would you say, he is the closest resemblence to (by way of commentary, not looks smiley - smiley )?

    But what else can you do? Another 1 hour programme could be seen as being too short. I actually think 2 hours is the right amount, as you don't get through that many callers in just 1 hour to have enough to have a good run of setting, and then having people to break, a good score like 7 or 8 to make it interesting for people following the competition as well as the teasers.

    Personally I think it's a simple, easy listen that is right for that timeslot. I enjoy listening to both of Rhodri Williams' slots on talkSPORT, at the moment I think he's amongst the best presenters they have. 


    Fair point Chris. I have now settled for an hour of 'The Football Quiz' and an hour of 'Weekend News' or 'Newshour' on Saturday evenings, unless there is a good 'Archive Hour' on Radio Four. Isn't it great to have too much choice? smiley - smiley I am not a fan of Mr Russell Brand's Saturday night offerings on Radio Two, though.

    Just one more nuggett of information about Five Live Sports Extra's simulcast of BBC Radio Sheffield's coverage of the Steel City derby - the commentary team was Paul Walker & Seth Bennett with David Holdsworth & John Pearson.

    I think Walker & Pearson are Radio Sheffield's usual Wednesday team, with Bennett & Holdsworth usually covering United, so it made sense to have a 4-man team for the big game. We've heard Paul Walker on Five Live before as a reporter, whilst research tells me that Bennett has been pushed up the Radio Sheffield ranks to succeed Luke Wileman (an occasional Five Live commentator a few seasons back), who has since moved to host Premiership radio coverage in Toronto, Canada. 


    Is that the footballer David Holdsworth, who is a brother of the former Wimbledon (and others) player, Dean?

    Also, thanks for filling me in on the whereabouts of Luke Wileman, I did wonder why I haven't heard of him anywhere in recent seasons, and assumed that he had a full-time role on a local station in England.

    As for that Hibernian-Rangers game - was it really a thriller? I didn't see or hear the game, but I did see the team-sheets when they came through and Rangers looked quite understrength, so I did feel Hibs could get a result. But 0-0 suggests that Hibs' at times fast-moving attack didn't come off and instead it was more a case of an organised performance, with the former Grimbsy Town captain Rob Jones again at the heart of it, grinding out the result.

    As a Leeds fan - you must have been dissapointed that Jones' move eventually fell through, and that you missed out on Danny Fox when Coventry usurped your bid for the former Walsall left-back.  


    Yes, I listened to the Hibs-Rangers game on Radio Scotland MW, with David Begg commentating, and it really was end-to-end action, and had everything but a goal. David McDaid appears to agree with this;

    news.bbc.co.uk/sport...

    Regarding Fox and Jones, the SMS updates from Elland Road, to my phone, give quite detailed updates on bids, failed bids, rejections etc, and their move follows a trend of players rejecting Elland Road- I hope that Garry McAllister has superior persuasion skills.

    On Wednesday night, Radio Five Live Sports Extra should have been carrying international commentary - but definetley not on the Northern Ireland.

    Stewart, I know you are an an Ulsterman, but surely you would have to admit that the Wales-Norway game was much more deserving of an airing on FLSE that night. 


    Agreed Chris, actually when I typed that post, I didn't know at the time, that Wales had an international friendly, last midweek (perhaps due to the lack of mentions on Five Live). What a brilliant performance by the Welshmen.

    I often go on about the three ways of listening to FLSE, and I will again. One is via the internet, and I don't know about UEFA's policy towards friendlies, but if it's anything like it is towards Champions League games and European Championship qualifiers then the BBC would not have been able to 'stream' the commentary.

    Secondly, it would be highly unlikely that you would have garnered any listeners via FLSE's digital TV platforms, as the game was widely available via the BBC Interactive channels - and most people will choose to watch coverage of the game rather than just listen to a blank screen.

    You do have the digital radio audience, but I believe there would have been little demand for commentary via this medium as well - as I think that it's true that the majority of people who have DAB access do so at home, and would probably also have digital TV access, so would be able to see the game as well.

    On the other hand, covering Wales vs Norway on Five Live Sports Extra would have made far more sense - simply because digital TV and radio listeners did not have the choice of watching pictures of that game unless they suscribed to Sky Sports, so there would have been much more of a market for that than there would NI-Bulgaria. 


    With those points in mind, Chris- perhaps the BBC should have broadcast the Wales game on Five Live, and the England-Switzerland game on Sports Extra- not a popular suggestion, I expect.

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