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    Posted by garyjbrum (U3285674) on Friday, 27th December 2013

    Dear BBC, what is the point of doing these at the BBC programmes if you're only going to show everything that's been seen already or is freely available on youtube.

    What happened to the wiped Top Of The Pops performance of So Long, that you were sent last year, why wasn't this broadcast?

    Surely your researchers can do better with these otherwise excellent @theBBC put together's.

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    Posted by garyjbrum (U3285674) on Friday, 27th December 2013

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Saturday, 28th December 2013

    With respect garyjbrum, the whole point of the programme is to put together a compilation of BBC appearances. It's a chance to see a collection of vintage performances by great entertainers, but specific to the BBC on the TV not PC, and in one continuous airing, without having to keep clicking on something to see it all.

    I don't really know about something that has been wiped, do the BBC have the right to lift something from youtube to show it again as their own even if they wiped it?


    I saw the late great Dusty Springfield on this series not long ago. Wonderful.

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    Posted by Portly (U1381981) ** on Saturday, 28th December 2013

    A salutory experience for those who claim that BBC4 is BBC TV's best channel! smiley - doh

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    Posted by garyjbrum (U3285674) on Saturday, 28th December 2013

    With respect garyjbrum, the whole point of the programme is to put together a compilation of BBC appearances. It's a chance to see a collection of vintage performances by great entertainers, but specific to the BBC on the TV not PC, and in one continuous airing, without having to keep clicking on something to see it all.

    I don't really know about something that has been wiped, do the BBC have the right to lift something from youtube to show it again as their own even if they wiped it?


    I saw the late great Dusty Springfield on this series not long ago. Wonderful. 
    But why include most of it that's already been shown, there's tons of better material that could have been used sitting in the archive (to which I have access to)

    The BBC were sent a copy of the wiped So Long last year, along with dozens of other recovered Top of the Pops performances so there's no need to lift it from youtube.

    Whilst I appreciate the at the BBC programmes is a collection of vintage performances, most of what was what shown last night is commercially available on ABBA official released DVD's, most ABBA fans switched it off after about 10 minutes. The programme is getting slated on twitter, facebook and message boards, by ABBA FANS, I suspect joe public would take a different view

    I mean if I wanted to watch a collection of ABBA promo's I'd have stuck a DVD on.

    Also in this day and age Youtube is piped through HD TV's so I could if I wanted to watch ABBA on Youtube on it without having to click a hundred times

    You might not realize, I suggest a lot of music nights to BBC 4 and have had several broadcast including this one: www.bbc.co.uk/progra... among many others, which, have all received hell of a lot better comments than ABBA at the BBC is receiving.

    As for the Joy of ABBA, that too was pathetically researched, with inaccuracies that stated ABBA were No 1 in December 1975 with Mama Mia, NO THEY WAS NOT, it was Queen's Bo Rap.

    God knows where the researchers get their information from.

    Quote from Twitter And the captions accompanying the clips appeared to have been written by the work experience person and not checked by the producer - they were full of errors.

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    Posted by daz hedger (U15969810) on Saturday, 28th December 2013

    I watched all 3 hours of Abba night and was captivated from beginning to end. Instead of just a history of the band with videos, the BBC go more in depth with the subject matter finding out more surprising facts for the viewer. The climate and reaction in Sweden to their success was an interesting added bonus. Interviews with the band and concert footage perfectly put together. Another great package BBC. Well done.

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Saturday, 28th December 2013


    The BBC were sent a copy of the wiped So Long last year, along with dozens of other recovered Top of the Pops performances so there's no need to lift it from youtube. 


    So you own the rights to all this previously wiped material now then?


    Whilst I appreciate the at the BBC programmes is a collection of vintage performances, most of what was what shown last night is commercially available on ABBA official released DVD's, most ABBA fans switched it off after about 10 minutes. The programme is getting slated on twitter, facebook and message boards, by ABBA FANS, I suspect joe public would take a different view  


    I appreciate that most of it is available elsewhere, so is a lot of other TV material from the past, but sometimes it is just nice to settle down to episodes of the series, people know what to expect.

    I'm not into twitter, facebook and "message boards" where this is happening. As I said, people know, or should know, what to expect from this series.

    Never mind, you seem to be on the "inside" and I only speak as someone who often enjoys the "At the BBC" programmes. smiley - smiley

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Saturday, 28th December 2013

    I've been a fan of Abba for many years, and I loved the Joy of Abba. It made a change to see focus on the negative reaction to them, as well as the unexpected admiration from punk and new wave. This programme alone was a reminder why BBC4 is the best channel.

    I noticed another error in Rebecca Front's voiceover. Soon after describing Mamma Mia as Abba's second UK number 1 "in December 1975", she then said Arrival was the first no 1 album, when that honour went to Abba's Greatest Hits (with the famous park bench cover; compilations weren't mentioned at all).

    Abba at the BBC was in many ways disingenuous. Jan Hunt shouting their name or Roy North and Basil Brush discussing them is not Abba at the BBC if what follows is a video! I did enjoy seeing all those clips from Leysin again.

    Lastly, the programme about Agnetha (a repeat from May) should have had all clips of Tony Blackburn removed.

    Oh, I've recorded the show about Disco. Seen a bit of it. You might be dazzled by the outfits worn by the Hues Corporation!

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Saturday, 28th December 2013

    If there was something I would like to have heard more about, it was The Day Before You Came, which didn't even reach the UK Top Thirty, but has come to be regarded as one of their greatest ever songs; mind you, all these years on, its appeal is still lost on me.

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    Posted by garyjbrum (U3285674) on Saturday, 28th December 2013

    So you own the rights to all this previously wiped material now then?

    Don't be so ridiculous, of course I don't, the BBC own the copyright, just that I've been returning lost material to BBC for inclusion in these sort of programmes. they will NOT be uploaded to Youtube, this material is worth thousands in the wrong hands due to them being the ones in the world that BBC wiped in the first place.

    The only people who have had copies sent are the artists who performed them in the first place and the BBC.

    I would love the BBC to show them, so you the viewer can see them on TV where they are supposed to be seen.

    Some have escaped onto Youtube:

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    You wouldn't believe what the BBC have had returned, even if I told you, about 300 wiped performances are in my possession and where they'll stay (unless the BBC pull their finger out and show them to the public on TV.

    A website you may find interesting/ educational on the matter is: www.kaleidoscope.org...

    www.youtube.com/watc...

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Saturday, 28th December 2013

    I don't know the legalities, but if you are in contact with the BBC about this already I don't see posting here is going to make any difference.

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    Posted by garyjbrum (U3285674) on Saturday, 28th December 2013

    Just answering your question, as you seem not to get the gist, of what I've been saying, regarding the BBC Music TV Archive, I have access to it, you don't.

    I know what is in the archive, what has been returned and what exists and it's about time you all seen it, instead of the same tired clips they keep using on these "look back" programmes.

    I instigated TOTP2 over 20 years ago, due to knowing what the BBC have stored, a fact you may not be aware of, David Bowie's Starman TOTP has been used 46 times on these sorts of programmes The Jackson 5 Rock N Robin 37 times.

    It's all old hat to the viewers now, while the wiped material doesn't get a look in and some of it is fantastic to watch again after 40 odd years.

    Unlike the Doctor Who recoveries, anybody would think it was the only programme BBC ever made (or recovered)

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    Posted by TomDaws (U12699591) on Saturday, 28th December 2013

    Its appeal is mostly in its interesting lyrics. Not something you can say about many of Abba's hits, I think.

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Saturday, 28th December 2013

    Its appeal is mostly in its interesting lyrics. Not something you can say about many of Abba's hits, I think.  Yet I thought the lyrics were banal, "there's not I think a single episode of Dallas that I didn't see".

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    Posted by RobMiles (U15946766) on Sunday, 29th December 2013

    The banality of the lyrics in 'The Day Before You Came' is part of the point. It's about a woman going through the banal details of a day that repeats itself until something comes into her life to change it, for better or worse.

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Sunday, 29th December 2013

    The banality of the lyrics in 'The Day Before You Came' is part of the point. It's about a woman going through the banal details of a day that repeats itself until something comes into her life to change it, for better or worse.  Ah well. Give me The Winner Takes It All any day.

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    Posted by Sir Walter Ker of Cessford (U15960320) on Sunday, 29th December 2013

    Ah well. Give me The Winner Takes It All any day. 
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    Posted by Pampy (U1022836) on Sunday, 29th December 2013

    Lastly, the programme about Agnetha (a repeat from May) should have had all clips of Tony Blackburn removed.

     
    Why should clips of Tony Blackburn be removed?

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    Posted by aviddiva (U13145965) on Sunday, 29th December 2013

    If there was something I would like to have heard more about, it was The Day Before You Came, which didn't even reach the UK Top Thirty, but has come to be regarded as one of their greatest ever songs; mind you, all these years on, its appeal is still lost on me.  Agnetha also sang backup on Blancmange's cover of the song. That band changed 'the latest book by Marilyn French' to 'the latest book by Barbara Cartland', which sings better.

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Sunday, 29th December 2013

    Lastly, the programme about Agnetha (a repeat from May) should have had all clips of Tony Blackburn removed.

     
    Why should clips of Tony Blackburn be removed? 
    Because I can't stand him.

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Sunday, 29th December 2013

    If there was something I would like to have heard more about, it was The Day Before You Came, which didn't even reach the UK Top Thirty, but has come to be regarded as one of their greatest ever songs; mind you, all these years on, its appeal is still lost on me.  Agnetha also sang backup on Blancmange's cover of the song. That band changed 'the latest book by Marilyn French' to 'the latest book by Barbara Cartland', which sings better.  It's "The latest one by ..."

    Since there are three notes in which to fit the author's name, I think Marilyn French scans rather better.

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