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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Geometry_Man (U12739007) on Thursday, 21st November 2013

    Part 1 (of 2) is on BBC1 at 8.00 tonight (Thursday).

    Not just a series of twee youtube clips, but a programme exploring the science behind relationships between animals of different species:

    www.bbc.co.uk/progra...

    Presented by Liz Bonnin, it's RT's documentary of the week and should be worth a watch.

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    Posted by madauntydawn (U6675998) on Thursday, 21st November 2013

    I'm not sure I can watch this one Geometry as I think we will see rather a lot of animals kept in inappropriate conditions.smiley - erm

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    Posted by cricket-Angel twinkly lights Tucker (U3382697) on Thursday, 21st November 2013

    This - the deer and the dog - is beautiful. And heart-jerking.

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    Posted by madauntydawn (U6675998) on Thursday, 21st November 2013

    I was concerned there would be too many animals in captivity, but the deer and dog are lovely.

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    Posted by Bidie Its Cold Outside (U2747062) on Thursday, 21st November 2013

    I cannot help but think that any cat 'caring' for ducklings is simply biding its time until it finds the perfect recipe......smiley - erm

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    Posted by vanessalou (U14182395) on Thursday, 21st November 2013

    I cannot help but think that any cat 'caring' for ducklings is simply biding its time until it finds the perfect recipe......smiley - erm  I did worry the cheetah and Jack Russel pairing may not end well!! Brilliant programme though, love every minute.

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    Posted by santasusie (U10941938) on Thursday, 21st November 2013

    Charles and Camilla lol

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    Posted by Geometry_Man (U12739007) on Thursday, 21st November 2013

    Very enjoyable programme.

    Beforehand I assumed most of the animals involved would have been thrown together because of being brought up by or near humans.

    This only applied to the first half of the episode though, and explanations of why those friendships developed were easier to work out.

    In the second half all the cases arose purely in the wild, and I noticed people were struggling more to find the reasons. Surmise and guesswork were involved, and the case of Charles & Camilla ( smiley - laugh ) seemed to be a complete mystery.

    Next week's appears to be more about human-animal relationships than animal-animal ones; looking forward to it though. I like Liz Bonnin as a presenter and she's just right for this series imo.

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    Posted by respectedponydriver (U13905235) on Thursday, 21st November 2013

    I really enjoyed this program and just loved the ducks and cats,very cute.

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    Posted by germinator (U13411914) on Friday, 22nd November 2013

    I enjoyed watching the unusual animal relationships but the oddest pairing seemed to be Liz Bonnin and an animal documentary, she appeared on camera too much, gushed and over-indulged in anthropomorphism.

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    Posted by fortrosian (U2001738) on Friday, 22nd November 2013

    Cant wait for next weeks, in this case, the 'coming up in the next programe..' was most useful, that Bison!!!

    Yes, a lot of them were thrown together in captivity, but the information about the playing raising the stress hormome levels, and thereby reducing them in the future was most interesting.

    All in all a great documentary

    smiley - biggrin

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    Posted by AliceHaddock (U15933835) on Friday, 22nd November 2013

    I have never liked Liz Bonnin but I thought she was very good in this programme and I have warmed to her.

    I loved the ducklings/cat and the polar bear/huskie combos and I'm very much looking forward to next week.

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    Posted by JB (U15933849) on Friday, 22nd November 2013

    This was not a scientific programme and I was annoyed and disappointed by the inclusion of the footage of polar bears "playing" with chained up dogs. It was interesting that no animal behaviourist commented on this with was only accompanied by narration from the presenter. As explained in the programme, this was filmed in Churchill Canada and there is a lot of controversy surrounding these dogs and the bears. The bears are baited by the dog owner and the bears DO KILL the dogs. This is a money-making scheme to attract tourists who want to see the bears and take pictures. The owner puts out excessive amounts of food to attract the bears. The bears eat the meat first but they have also killed and eaten the dogs. Why did the BBC not check this out before including the footage in the programme?

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    Posted by Hi my name is Troy McClure (U2262224) on Friday, 22nd November 2013

    This was not a scientific programme and I was annoyed and disappointed by the inclusion of the footage of polar bears "playing" with chained up dogs. It was interesting that no animal behaviourist commented on this with was only accompanied by narration from the presenter. As explained in the programme, this was filmed in Churchill Canada and there is a lot of controversy surrounding these dogs and the bears. The bears are baited by the dog owner and the bears DO KILL the dogs. This is a money-making scheme to attract tourists who want to see the bears and take pictures. The owner puts out excessive amounts of food to attract the bears. The bears eat the meat first but they have also killed and eaten the dogs. Why did the BBC not check this out before including the footage in the programme?  Most folk aren't interested in all that, they tuned in to see polar bears playing with huskies and that's what they got..ahhhhh

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    Posted by Vizzer aka U_numbers (U2011621) on Friday, 22nd November 2013

    I have never liked Liz Bonnin but I thought she was very good in this programme and I have warmed to her. 
    I take the reverse view. Liz Bonnin is one the BBC's more highly educated presenters and yet this program seemed like an extended version of just so many YouTube clips. Much better was 'Operation Snow Tiger' about conservation work in Siberia.

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    Posted by madauntydawn (U6675998) on Friday, 22nd November 2013

    I enjoyed watching the unusual animal relationships but the oddest pairing seemed to be Liz Bonnin and an animal documentary, she appeared on camera too much, gushed and over-indulged in anthropomorphism.  I totally agree with you germi, I think she only gets these gigs because of the way she looks!

    Also I find it very annoying when she interviews someone and then repeats almost exactly what the interviewee has just said.

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    Posted by Geometry_Man (U12739007) on Friday, 22nd November 2013

    I enjoyed watching the unusual animal relationships but the oddest pairing seemed to be Liz Bonnin and an animal documentary, she appeared on camera too much, gushed and over-indulged in anthropomorphism.  I totally agree with you germi, I think she only gets these gigs because of the way she looks!

    Also I find it very annoying when she interviews someone and then repeats almost exactly what the interviewee has just said. 

    No aunty, she gets them because she's a highly qualified and accomplished presenter - who in my opinion isn't the least bit annoying!

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    Posted by Vizzer aka U_numbers (U2011621) on Friday, 22nd November 2013

    I think she only gets these gigs because of the way she looks! 
    she gets them because she's a highly qualified and accomplished presenter - who in my opinion isn't the least bit annoying! 

    Yes. Liz Bonnin is a qualified biochemist having studied at Trinity College, Dublin and also has an MSc in zoology from the Royal Veterinary College, University of London.

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    Posted by Penn (U10777282) on Friday, 22nd November 2013

    WONDERFUL! Loved it

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    Posted by saffiewalks (U11222674) on Friday, 22nd November 2013

    I have never liked Liz Bonnin but I thought she was very good in this programme and I have warmed to her. 
    I take the reverse view. Liz Bonnin is one the BBC's more highly educated presenters and yet this program seemed like an extended version of just so many YouTube clips. Much better was 'Operation Snow Tiger' about conservation work in Siberia. 
    Had mixed feelings about this programme and from what I know the polar bears/huskies should not have been shown - an engineered situation that often has extremely unpleasant results for the dogs.
    I do agree that Operation Snow Tiger earlier this year was superb.

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    Posted by Tweeet (U15280056) on Friday, 22nd November 2013

    LOVED, LOVED, LOVED THIS PROGRAMME!

    Liz Bonnin is an excellent presenter and we can't wait for part 2...pity the BBC didn't air both shows on two consecutive nights. x

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    Posted by madauntydawn (U6675998) on Friday, 22nd November 2013

    Liz Bonnin may well have an armful of qualifications, but that does not make her a good presenter, especially when, as I said earlier, she mostly just repeats what her interviewee has just said. You known the sort of thing, when they say ...

    "So what you're saying is....................".

    Just not mysmiley - tea

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    Posted by shilkman (U13628054) on Friday, 22nd November 2013

    I cannot help but think that any cat 'caring' for ducklings is simply biding its time until it finds the perfect recipe......smiley - erm  I did worry the cheetah and Jack Russel pairing may not end well!! Brilliant programme though, love every minute.  Yes I enjoyed it too. Something different for a change

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    Posted by Geometry_Man (U12739007) on Friday, 22nd November 2013

    I cannot help but think that any cat 'caring' for ducklings is simply biding its time until it finds the perfect recipe......smiley - erm  I did worry the cheetah and Jack Russel pairing may not end well!! Brilliant programme though, love every minute.  Yes I enjoyed it too. Something different for a change  Yes it was a bit different, which was one of the attractions.

    I agree with earlier comments that 'Operation Snow Tiger' was very good, and it was probably more "important" than this series, but not every programme about animals needs to have a conservation slant.

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    Posted by saffiewalks (U11222674) on Saturday, 23rd November 2013

    Unfortunately there is a conservation/endangered species backstory to most wild animals these days whether programme makers choose to focus on it or not.
    I particularly liked the Snow leopard programme because of the likeable and knowledgeable characters (including Liz) that were invovled and the fact that they did seem to be have some successes. The picture of the three forlorn snow leopard cubs sitting in the snow will stay with me a very long time.

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    Posted by lucy (U14792533) on Saturday, 23rd November 2013

    I enjoyed watching the unusual animal relationships but the oddest pairing seemed to be Liz Bonnin and an animal documentary, she appeared on camera too much, gushed and over-indulged in anthropomorphism.  smiley - laugh
    Well said.

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    Posted by madauntydawn (U6675998) on Thursday, 28th November 2013

    Bison poo in your house? smiley - erm

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    Posted by madauntydawn (U6675998) on Thursday, 28th November 2013

    Liz Bonnin is taking a considerable risk by meeting these lions.

    I thought it was odd when it was said that the staff are keeping watch...........does that mean they would watch her being eaten?

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    Posted by jennyj (U15939066) on Thursday, 28th November 2013

    It was riveting to watch. Didn't catch the polar bear clip, but bad if it's set up re photos and the dogs are harmed.

    I liked the first one last week about the three animals (horrendously!) kept by a private owner, who bonded 'in desperation' so to speak, and are still together....really heartwarming that they overcome what people did to them.

    I agree it needed rather more scientific behaviouralism commentary, though we did get a little of it.

    The presenter was OK-ish - but but but, would she have got the job if she'd looked like the back end of a bus??? I suspect youth and beauty were as important as her qualitications....

    But she seems amiable enough ,despite that disadvantage (ie, of wondering whether she'd have got the job had she been qualfied but plain and middle aged....)

    However, what is her accent? Her ethnicity is hard to determine, so couldn't tell if tehre was some West Indian in there? And Irish (if she went to Trinity Dublin maybe?) It was just so odd! Almost as odd as Alice Roberts (is that her, the anthropologist who does Human Origins programms - such a weird accent she has!)

    Overall, these two programmes were very, very moving, and restores (a bit!) one's faith in humanity. If only there weren't so damn many of us infesting the world, and left enough space for other species to enjoy this planet in peace and quiet without us constantly butting in (and killing them off...)

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    Posted by Geometry_Man (U12739007) on Thursday, 28th November 2013

    However, what is her accent? Her ethnicity is hard to determine, so couldn't tell if tehre was some West Indian in there? And Irish (if she went to Trinity Dublin maybe?) It was just so odd!  Liz Bonnin was born in France to a Trinidadian mother of Indian Portuguese descent and a French father, and was brought up in Ireland from age 9 - so take your pick! She isn't exactly young (37).

    Quote of the evening: "I have no clue to how you would potty train a buffalo"!

    It was all very interesting again - except for the final piece about the dolphins, which I've seen at least twice before in other programmes. It was a bit different from all the other items - being a working partnership between two teams that didn't actually meet, rather than friendship between individuals - and somehow didn't really belong.

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    Posted by madauntydawn (U6675998) on Thursday, 28th November 2013

    Liz Bonnin is half French, half Trinidadian jennyj.

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    Posted by saffiewalks (U11222674) on Friday, 29th November 2013

    However, what is her accent? Her ethnicity is hard to determine, so couldn't tell if tehre was some West Indian in there? And Irish (if she went to Trinity Dublin maybe?) It was just so odd! Almost as odd as Alice Roberts (is that her, the anthropologist who does Human Origins programms - such a weird accent she has!) 
    I fail to see what Liz's accent or ethnicity have to do with anything, infact I think this query is rather offensive.
    Both she and Dr Alice Roberts, whom you also denigrate on superficial grounds, are highly trained and qualified scientists and I have great admiration for both of them. Additionally Liz clearly has a tremendous affection for animals which is another reason to have her fronting the programme.

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    Posted by fortrosian (U2001738) on Friday, 29th November 2013

    Another good programme, really enjoyed it.

    Couple of points for previous posters..when Liz went in with the Lion lady, they said that there were collegues observing. I dont think this meant they would watch while she was eaten, think they meant that they had dart guns ready, just in case..

    Also no Bison poo in the house, the chap explained when the bison needs to go, he just goes outside, he house trained himself. He just seemed so gentle in the house....

    The think that most amazed me was the chap with the Hyenas. I have always thought of them as such horrible things, but they seemed so calm eventually, and although he has been injured by them he seemed to have such affection for them it was worth perservering. Very odd, but very interesting, I quite warmed to them... But I bet that changes again next time I see them in a wildlife documentary tearing some baby animal limb from limb!

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    Posted by Geometry_Man (U12739007) on Friday, 29th November 2013

    Also no Bison poo in the house, the chap explained when the bison needs to go, he just goes outside, he house trained himself. He just seemed so gentle in the house.... 
    He reminded me of a cartoon I saw years ago, in which a bull had walked into a china shop, all round the displays and out again without touching anything.

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    Posted by jennyj (U15939066) on Friday, 29th November 2013

    However, what is her accent? Her ethnicity is hard to determine, so couldn't tell if tehre was some West Indian in there? And Irish (if she went to Trinity Dublin maybe?) It was just so odd! Almost as odd as Alice Roberts (is that her, the anthropologist who does Human Origins programms - such a weird accent she has!) 
    I fail to see what Liz's accent or ethnicity have to do with anything, infact I think this query is rather offensive.
    Both she and Dr Alice Roberts, whom you also denigrate on superficial grounds, are highly trained and qualified scientists and I have great admiration for both of them. Additionally Liz clearly has a tremendous affection for animals which is another reason to have her fronting the programme. 
    Their accents have nothing to do with their abilities as scientists or as TV presenters. I was curious about what their accents say about where they came from, and, in the case of Liz Bonnin, whose ethnicity is hard to discern from her face, how it tied in to her ethnicity and/or place of upbringing.

    Enquiring about someone's ethnicity should never, never be 'offensive'! That's the whole point of living in a non-racist society - that ethncity is simply a 'curiosity', nothing more. Just like if I spoke with a Scottish accent, someone in England might ask what part of Scotland I came from - a Scot would know my region, someone in England might not. etc etc. That's hardly 'offensive'.

    With the posts explaining Liz Bonnin's ethnicity that gives ample explanation for her rather curious accent which I have not come across before - it seems to be a 'melange' accent, and her ethnic origins and place of upbringing explain it.

    As for Alice Roberts, she does have a curious accent that I cannot place! It sounds most like James May's if anything, and I'm wondering if Bristol might be the common factor? No idea if it is, but there is just something about her and his way of speaking that makes me think there is a 'tinge' of westcountry in there, but not sure. Some of the most interesting accents in England come from 'border' areas where one regional accent blends into another. Locals from the area know, but non-locals find it hard to place.

    Overall, I would argue that ethnicities and accents are curious but trivial. However, the issue of whether women on TV have attained their roles because of their youth and good looks and not just their intelligence and expertise is not! (Which is why having Mary Beard on the telly is such a victory for feminism!)

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    Posted by saffiewalks (U11222674) on Friday, 29th November 2013

    Mary Beard will not doubt be thrilled at your condescending approval!
    If ethnic origins are trivial why bring them up? I find nothing curious about either Liz or Alice's accents and they have nothing to do with the way theu do their job.
    Why not try just watching the programme and commenting on that rather than sitting there wondering about people's origins - racial or otherwise.

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    Posted by jennyj (U15939066) on Friday, 29th November 2013

    Mary Beard will not doubt be thrilled at your condescending approval!
    If ethnic origins are trivial why bring them up? I find nothing curious about either Liz or Alice's accents and they have nothing to do with the way theu do their job.
    Why not try just watching the programme and commenting on that rather than sitting there wondering about people's origins - racial or otherwise. 
    What's condescending about saying that someone got their job through their ability (ie, subject expertise and skills at communication) than by their looks and age? It's a compliment.

    I bring up ethnic origins and accents because I'm curious about them. If no one wanted to answer my question, that's their choice.

    But I suspect from your posts on this that you are of a trolllike persuasion, so will treat them as such. Bye bye.

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    Posted by beerhead (U15819967) on Friday, 29th November 2013

    Every time I hear an accent I don't recognise I wonder where they come from... because I'm interested in people. If I was racist I would just think ******* foreigner and not think any further than that. Personally I just Google the person to find out where they're from, knowing how some people react to such harmless questions.

    Anyway, very interesting programme but did think some of the people were nuts to take such risks.

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    Posted by saffiewalks (U11222674) on Friday, 29th November 2013

    So now I am a troll am I? Been on this board for about 5 years and never been called that before - still as you have said bye bye it doesn't matter.

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    Posted by germinator (U13411914) on Friday, 29th November 2013

    Apart from the reservations listed in my previous post, I found Ms Bonnin's extensive use of HRT grating.

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    Posted by Geometry_Man (U12739007) on Friday, 29th November 2013

    Hormone replacement therapy?
    Please explain.

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    Posted by madauntydawn (U6675998) on Friday, 29th November 2013

    Mary Beard will not doubt be thrilled at your condescending approval!
    If ethnic origins are trivial why bring them up? I find nothing curious about either Liz or Alice's accents and they have nothing to do with the way theu do their job.
    Why not try just watching the programme and commenting on that rather than sitting there wondering about people's origins - racial or otherwise. 
    It is not racist to be curious or interested in someone's nationality.

    It's quite natural to ask a person where in the world they come from, jennyj meant nothing sinister in her post, but it seems you are implying her comments were racist.

    You may not be interested in accents, but clearly jennyj and I are interested in them.smiley - biggrin

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    Posted by jennyj (U15939066) on Friday, 29th November 2013

    Mary Beard will not doubt be thrilled at your condescending approval!
    If ethnic origins are trivial why bring them up? I find nothing curious about either Liz or Alice's accents and they have nothing to do with the way theu do their job.
    Why not try just watching the programme and commenting on that rather than sitting there wondering about people's origins - racial or otherwise. 
    It is not racist to be curious or interested in someone's nationality.

    It's quite natural to ask a person where in the world they come from, jennyj meant nothing sinister in her post, but it seems you are implying her comments were racist.

    You may not be interested in accents, but clearly jennyj and I are interested in them.smiley - biggrin 
    Thank you! J

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    Posted by Ria_H (U14999558) on Saturday, 30th November 2013

    So now I am a troll am I? Been on this board for about 5 years and never been called that before - still as you have said bye bye it doesn't matter.  After the way you went on in the bake-off thread, you've been at least on my skip-list. I don't like to call people names, but you did

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    Posted by saffiewalks (U11222674) on Saturday, 30th November 2013

    smiley - laugh

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    Posted by germinator (U13411914) on Sunday, 8th December 2013

    HRT: www.bbc.co.uk/news/s...

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    Posted by Lemon Sabotage (U9577550) on Sunday, 8th December 2013

    HRT stands for High Rise Termination, apparently (not clear from the link why Uptalk should be known as HRT).

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    Posted by Geometry_Man (U12739007) on Sunday, 8th December 2013

    Ah, now I see. Must say though, I hadn't noticed Liz doing that at all.

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