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    Posted by Thuban (U8349152) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    The beer-swilling, fag-puffing, cap-wearing man of the people, Nigel Farage, had an unexpectedly hard time from the good people of Boston last night; especially from the lady in the audience who was having none of his spurious statistics and scaremongering xenophobia, and would not be silenced by Dimbleby.

    The last time this happened was years ago, when the lady in the hat and Russian accent let the great and the good have it in no uncertain terms.

    Some more high-quality hecklers may be all this programme needs to make it watchable.

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    Posted by Andy (U14048329) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    I missed it. Sounds like a Diana Gould moment. Did Farage blanch in that "s***, this punter knows more about subject than I do, and everyone can see it" kind of way?

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    Posted by Thuban (U8349152) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    It would be something of an exaggeration to say Farage's cheeks blanched with fear, but the smug look disappeared pretty fast and though I could see no sign of true working-class language about to emerge, I thought I did detect some reaching for the fag packet.

    I believe it was the leaflet claim that 29 million people would be coming from Romania and Bulgaria that did it. I don't think their combined populations number more than 27 million and it's quite unlikely that all of them will up sticks and rush here to file their benefit claims.

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    Posted by susiesar (U10941938) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    We get more teachers then!!!!!!

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    Posted by Turner (U14992668) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    Msg 6 disappeared before I could hit reply, but to satisfy that poster's curiosity:
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    Really enjoyed last night, watching Farage squirm was de-li-cious.

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    Posted by zelda (U2012536) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    I listened on the radio last night and it was a dreadful edition. I plucked up the courage to watch it on demand. Anna Soubrey (sp) was doing a fine impression of an indignant Widow Twanky. What was the point of Benjamin Zephania? Vicky Price - out of the nick and onto our screens within a month or so......I'd seen the other woman somewhere before but took no notice.

    Nigel Farrage - We got what it says on the tin.

    I lasted about 20 minutes of watching and then lost ther will to live. Awful.

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    Posted by maestaf (U14145694) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    Some more high-quality hecklers may be all this programme needs to make it watchable.  The programme needs to be replaced by one where articulate, informed members of the public get a proper chance to question politicians. The BBC should stop interjecting itself and its presenters into every political programme as if no voter is incapable of holding any politician to account.

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    Posted by Lighten Up (U15801316) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    It is so difficult to discuss the topic of immigration sensibly with people who can't discuss it purely as a political issue in a detached way. People like Benjamin Zephaniah want to turn it into a kind of shibboleth so that we can discover the fascists, racists and xenophobes in our midst.

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    Posted by Thuban (U8349152) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    It is so difficult to discuss the topic of immigration sensibly with people who can't discuss it purely as a political issue in a detached way. People like Benjamin Zephaniah want to turn it into a kind of shibboleth so that we can discover the fascists, racists and xenophobes in our midst.  Maybe so, but from a poet, a slightly different point of view is to be expected. Anything else would be a disappointment ... even if Dimbleby hadn't prefaced each of his answers with a warning that we have only a short time left, which would more profitably have been directed at Farage.

    Vicki Price is a right-wing economist and that is more-or-less what we got, though she did appear weary of it all, and no wonder.

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    Posted by meddaboy (U15031418) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    i thought nigel farage was exelllent on q t last night. he is a fearless debator,we cant brush up and coming issues under the carpet.

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    Posted by meddaboy (U15031418) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    will it become the norm to have people who are just out of jail to come on q t and air their views.lying in a uk court of law is a serious demeanour.

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    Posted by Twinkles (U14947618) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    The BBC seem quite happy to recruit people who have lied in court, to the public, and now have a criminal record on their programme? Why? There surely must be far more interesting people to have on Question Time, rather than one who doesn't deserve airtime and getting paid for it too.

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    Posted by Johnnymol (U14690244) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    Smug Nigel got a few home truths thrown at him on QT last night and looked taken aback by the sight of a "fearless" member of the public taking him on and not letting him have all his own way..........He looked decidedly dodgy when put under pressure

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    Posted by zelda (U2012536) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    Smug Nigel got a few home truths thrown at him on QT last night and looked taken aback by the sight of a "fearless" member of the public taking him on and not letting him have all his own way..........He looked decidedly dodgy when put under pressure  Do you reckon? smiley - erm

    I thought he had the facts and that woman in the audience didn't like it..... she was wrong but couldn't admit it.

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    Posted by Essential Rabbit (U3613943) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    I believe it was the leaflet claim that 29 million people would be coming from Romania and Bulgaria that did it. I don't think their combined populations number more than 27 million and it's quite unlikely that all of them will up sticks and rush here to file their benefit claims. 
    It'll probably be 13,000 a year. smiley - laugh

    In this rush to celebrate Farage having got a good kicking by the member of the audience, which would have been more convincing had she any grasp of reality, anyone care to comment on the fact that there are areas of Lincolnshire where English isn't spoken?

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    Posted by Johnnymol (U14690244) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    I believe it was the leaflet claim that 29 million people would be coming from Romania and Bulgaria that did it. I don't think their combined populations number more than 27 million and it's quite unlikely that all of them will up sticks and rush here to file their benefit claims. 
    It'll probably be 13,000 a year. smiley - laugh

    In this rush to celebrate Farage having got a good kicking by the member of the audience, which would have been more convincing had she any grasp of reality, anyone care to comment on the fact that there are areas of Lincolnshire where English isn't spoken? 
    Farage is extremely economical with the facts.......He says one thing but very rarely backs it up. Not long ago he said 75% of British Laws come from Brussels, but then he was shown the reality when it was proved that only 8-10% have come from Brussels.

    He attacks immigration, but then forgets to say anything about the report which came out the day before which noted that immigrants had contributed to a £25billion tax boost by paying taxes and claiming less benefits......Like I say Farage is quick not to point out the full facts

    A bit like when he forgot to tell everyone he had employed a financial expert to set up an Isle of Man pay as little tax as possible account - If the press hadn't have outed that scam would he have revealed the full facts to his adoring public

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    Posted by ThermosFlask (U1712087) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    There's a lot of Nigel-bashing on this thread. I admire anyone who stands up for what they believe despite aggressive hecklers and people who post nasty comments. And for the record the aforementioned leaflet did not say 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians will come to the UK. Get your facts straight. It says the EU will allow that many to come here. When Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia were admitted, Tony Blair said only about 13,000 would come to Britain - in reality 1.4 million came in the first four years! It's nothing to do with racism, it's a numbers issue.

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    Posted by maestaf (U14145694) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    In this rush to celebrate Farage having got a good kicking by the member of the audience, which would have been more convincing had she any grasp of reality, anyone care to comment on the fact that there are areas of Lincolnshire where English isn't spoken?  It's not the lady on QT, but the person who seems to think that there are parts of this country where the emergency services, shopkeepers, teachers, council officials, doctors and nurses don't speak English who has no grasp of reality.

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    Posted by SATM67 (U14061947) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    I believe it was the leaflet claim that 29 million people would be coming from Romania and Bulgaria that did it. I don't think their combined populations number more than 27 million and it's quite unlikely that all of them will up sticks and rush here to file their benefit claims. 
    It'll probably be 13,000 a year. smiley - laugh

    In this rush to celebrate Farage having got a good kicking by the member of the audience, which would have been more convincing had she any grasp of reality, anyone care to comment on the fact that there are areas of Lincolnshire where English isn't spoken? 
    Farage is extremely economical with the facts.......He says one thing but very rarely backs it up. Not long ago he said 75% of British Laws come from Brussels, but then he was shown the reality when it was proved that only 8-10% have come from Brussels.

    He attacks immigration, but then forgets to say anything about the report which came out the day before which noted that immigrants had contributed to a £25billion tax boost by paying taxes and claiming less benefits......Like I say Farage is quick not to point out the full facts

    A bit like when he forgot to tell everyone he had employed a financial expert to set up an Isle of Man pay as little tax as possible account - If the press hadn't have outed that scam would he have revealed the full facts to his adoring public 
    This report makes interesting reading.

    www.bbc.co.uk/news/u...

    The amount of net contribution is contestable.

    Re the percentage of laws emanating from the EU, this article from 2009 is interesting;

    www.jcm.org.uk/blog/...

    According to the 2012 update the percentage for the UK is stated to be 15.5%.

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    Posted by counterblast (U14258320) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    I thought Vicky Price did quite well on the immigration question. She pointed out that Germany and France closed their borders to the Poles - so they all came here. And she added that Romanians and Bulgarians will automatically favour Italy, France and Germany over UK when their time comes to upsticks in January.

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    Posted by Johnnymol (U14690244) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    There's a lot of Nigel-bashing on this thread. I admire anyone who stands up for what they believe despite aggressive hecklers and people who post nasty comments. And for the record the aforementioned leaflet did not say 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians will come to the UK. Get your facts straight. It says the EU will allow that many to come here. When Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia were admitted, Tony Blair said only about 13,000 would come to Britain - in reality 1.4 million came in the first four years! It's nothing to do with racism, it's a numbers issue.  When you say....."I admire Anyone who stands up for what they believe"

    Do you honestly mean everyone.......Because there's a few dictators past and present who would love you smiley - erm

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    Posted by SATM67 (U14061947) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    In this rush to celebrate Farage having got a good kicking by the member of the audience, which would have been more convincing had she any grasp of reality, anyone care to comment on the fact that there are areas of Lincolnshire where English isn't spoken?  It's not the lady on QT, but the person who seems to think that there are parts of this country where the emergency services, shopkeepers, teachers, council officials, doctors and nurses don't speak English who has no grasp of reality.  This article reports the study conducted in Birmingham

    www.express.co.uk/ne...

    In one school, 31 languages spoken, teachers specialise in English as a second language, and translators are employed.

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    Posted by Peter (U15306870) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    Can we all be careful about getting bogged down in a debate about the issues raised in the programme? It's fine to talk about the guests, presenter, production etc.

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    Posted by Cameron and IDS for Big Brother (U13838847) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    The BBC seem quite happy to recruit people who have lied in court, to the public, and now have a criminal record on their programme? 

    If it wasn't for Question Time on (qvc) last night, I would not know an ex.con had a book out.

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    Posted by ThermosFlask (U1712087) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    There's a lot of Nigel-bashing on this thread. I admire anyone who stands up for what they believe despite aggressive hecklers and people who post nasty comments. And for the record the aforementioned leaflet did not say 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians will come to the UK. Get your facts straight. It says the EU will allow that many to come here. When Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia were admitted, Tony Blair said only about 13,000 would come to Britain - in reality 1.4 million came in the first four years! It's nothing to do with racism, it's a numbers issue.  When you say....."I admire Anyone who stands up for what they believe"

    Do you honestly mean everyone.......Because there's a few dictators past and present who would love you smiley - erm 
    I thought we were talking about Question Time and the people who appear, not dictators of the past!

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    Posted by William Blessing (U14578406) on Friday, 8th November 2013

    Watch on i player now.

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    Posted by Vizzer aka U_numbers (U2011621) on Saturday, 9th November 2013

    from a poet, a slightly different point of view is to be expected. Anything else would be a disappointment 
    Benjamin Zephaniah didn't seem to have a different point of view to Anna Soubry etc. That's what was disappointing.

    It would have been good, for example, if he could have taken the long view and mentioned the flora and fauna of the Fens and how generations of greedy human beings (English, Dutch, Jamaicans and Poles etc) have attempted to dominate and exploit what should be a natural wetland home for birds, freshwater fish and other wildlife.

    He really needs to live up more to his billing as Question Time's go-to non-party-political poet.

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    Posted by Thuban (U8349152) on Saturday, 9th November 2013

    Perhaps he would have liked to do so, but the question did not come up and Dimbleby hardly allowed him time to respond to the questions that did come up. never mind those that didn't.

    Billing of a person or a show is one thing, the reality often turns out to be another. With respect to this Question Time, surprisingly, it didn't turn out to be the Nigel Farage Show as has happened with depressing regularity in the past.

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    Posted by silvery (U8422462) on Saturday, 9th November 2013

    The BBC seem quite happy to recruit people who have lied in court, to the public, and now have a criminal record on their programme? Why? There surely must be far more interesting people to have on Question Time, rather than one who doesn't deserve airtime and getting paid for it too.  Vicky Price was a stupid woman, and I have no sympathy for her. But she lied to the police, not in court.

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    Posted by SATM67 (U14061947) on Saturday, 9th November 2013

    The BBC seem quite happy to recruit people who have lied in court, to the public, and now have a criminal record on their programme? Why? There surely must be far more interesting people to have on Question Time, rather than one who doesn't deserve airtime and getting paid for it too.  Vicky Price was a stupid woman, and I have no sympathy for her. But she lied to the police, not in court.  A debatable point.

    She was found guilty at trial of perverting the course of justice.

    Her defence advanced at trial was marital coercion, so in being found guilty of the charge it is debatable as to whether or not she was telling the truth during her trial.

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    Posted by Essential Rabbit (U3613943) on Saturday, 9th November 2013

    The BBC seem quite happy to recruit people who have lied in court, to the public, and now have a criminal record on their programme? Why? There surely must be far more interesting people to have on Question Time, rather than one who doesn't deserve airtime and getting paid for it too.  Vicky Price was a stupid woman, and I have no sympathy for her. But she lied to the police, not in court.  A debatable point.

    She was found guilty at trial of perverting the course of justice.

    Her defence advanced at trial was marital coercion, so in being found guilty of the charge it is debatable as to whether or not she was telling the truth during her trial. 
    Debate aside, she's a recent ex-con who showed no respect for the law. The BBC had no business inviting her onto the programme.

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Saturday, 9th November 2013

    I wish to complain in the strongest possible terms about these two factors:

    1) Why isn't Nigel Farage on Question Time more often?
    2) Why don't the BBC consult contributors to the POV message boards for vetting potential guests?

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    Posted by Monty Burns (U7868864) on Saturday, 9th November 2013

    1) Why isn't Nigel Farage on Question Time more often?
     


    I agree. For me the man can do no wrong. I'd also welcome David Davies as well.

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Saturday, 9th November 2013

    1) Why isn't Nigel Farage on Question Time more often?
     


    I agree. For me the man can do no wrong. I'd also welcome David Davies as well. 
    Has my sarcasm been misread? Still, the journalist and ex FA chief would make an interesting change.

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    Posted by Vizzer aka U_numbers (U2011621) on Saturday, 9th November 2013

    Perhaps he would have liked to do so, but the question did not come up and Dimbleby hardly allowed him time to respond to the questions that did come up. never mind those that didn't.

    Billing of a person or a show is one thing, the reality often turns out to be another. With respect to this Question Time, surprisingly, it didn't turn out to be the Nigel Farage Show as has happened with depressing regularity in the past. 

    The question did come up. It was raised by Benjamin himself during the debate on services and newcomers. He spoke about a farmer who had told Zephaniah that he (the farmer) couldn’t get local people to work on his land and couldn’t even get members of his own family to work on his land.

    Benjamin didn’t, however, consider the possibility that the land might not need to be intensively farmed at all. He just seemed to buy into and parrot the same one-dimensional, neo-con line on the subject as UK Conservative MP Anna Soubry etc.

    I take your point Thuban regarding David Dimbleby rushing the speakers and also how Nigel Farage seemed to come under fire somewhat in this program. Ironically, however, neither Dimbleby in the chair, nor any of the other panellists saw fit to query the glaring hypocrisy of Farage championing the right of Great Britain & Northern Ireland to independence from the EU while simultaneously (and almost in the same breath) opposing Scotland’s independence from the UK.

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    Posted by Monty Burns (U7868864) on Sunday, 10th November 2013

    Still, the journalist and ex FA chief would make an interesting change.
     


    The only David Davies I'm aware of is an MP so I've no idea who you are referring to

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    Posted by Thuban (U8349152) on Sunday, 10th November 2013

    I take your point Thuban regarding David Dimbleby rushing the speakers and also how Nigel Farage seemed to come under fire somewhat in this program. Ironically, however, neither Dimbleby in the chair, nor any of the other panellists saw fit to query the glaring hypocrisy of Farage championing the right of Great Britain & Northern Ireland to independence from the EU while simultaneously (and almost in the same breath) opposing Scotland’s independence from the UK. 

    This is very deep stuff, U-numbers, but I think I understand.

    My take on it is, however, different. Nigel Farage did more than 'come under fire somewhat', he was flabbergasted to discover that the Boston audience were not going to accept what he had to say, unchallenged and unscrutinised. He appeared to have assumed that his rabble-rousing, take-no-prisoners style would carry the day, as it usually does. He was mistaken.

    Yes, there are glaring inconsistencies in his attitude to the independence issue that go largely unnoticed, but like many another politician he has his own agenda and he much prefers to answer his own questions rather than those that may or may not come from the audience.

    Ms Soubry, a devout Tory, had a problem with Farage, as they all do. for he is one of their own (despite the beer and fags), and his stance on Europe threatens to tear them apart ... again. She cannot criticise forcefully ... 'cooks and loons' ... without taking a swipe at the right wing of her own party and their many supporters.
    Sorry for her? No, I wouldn't say so, more a case of their being hoist with their own petard.

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    Posted by Thuban (U8349152) on Sunday, 10th November 2013

    For 'cooks' read kooks ... sorry. spelling is atrocious.

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    Posted by Andy (U14048329) on Sunday, 10th November 2013

    Still, the journalist and ex FA chief would make an interesting change.
     


    The only David Davies I'm aware of is an MP so I've no idea who you are referring to 
    Which MP called David Davies are you referring to?

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    Posted by Monty Burns (U7868864) on Sunday, 10th November 2013

    Which MP called David Davies are you referring to? 

    My apologies. The one I meant was David DAVIS, who I thought should have been the Tory leader instead of David Cameron. Confusingly there is also Welsh Conservative MP called David Davies.

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Sunday, 10th November 2013

    Which MP called David Davies are you referring to? 

    My apologies. The one I meant was David DAVIS, who I thought should have been the Tory leader instead of David Cameron. Confusingly there is also Welsh Conservative MP called David Davies. 
    Then again, I hadn't heard again, mentioned by you:

    www.david-daviesmp.c...

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