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Dianne Abbott - she's back! *groan*

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    Posted by alan997 (U1233723) on Friday, 18th October 2013

    Have to admit I missed her when she went away - the Itchy & Scratchy Show would never be the same again. But that last night I found her more irritating than enlightening, and ended up hoping she won't be back as a permanent fixture.

    I'd rather see someone like Alan Johnson take over as a perma-leftie, if there's to be one. (Alistair Campbell's good value too.) Dianne Abbott, I fear, simply lacks the intellect & self-confidence to balance El Portillo, and is all too prone to resort to a kind of flailing snideness when she can't keep up - as witness her inept 'economic illiteracy' assault on last night's guest. ("It also has nothing to do with what we were discussing.")

    Sorry Itchy (or is it Scratchy), you're just too much mouth and not enough brain: This Week works better with better minds.

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    Posted by goodhelenstar (U13943062) on Friday, 18th October 2013

    Have to admit I missed her when she went away - the Itchy & Scratchy Show would never be the same again. But that last night I found her more irritating than enlightening, and ended up hoping she won't be back as a permanent fixture.   I agree, Alan. She was a bit hyper last night, giggling away at Andrew's (unusually long) introduction like a teenager. She was so determined to interrupt Philip Collins that it was difficult for him to get a word in. Let's hope either that she doesn't once again become a permanent fixture, or that she calms down.

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    Posted by Portly (U1381981) on Friday, 18th October 2013

    Diane Abbott may be a hypocrite, but I would have thought even less of her, if she had sent her child to a bad school just to avoid criticism!

    She seems to be a good counterweight to Portillo and it is fascinating to watch them cuddle up to each other on the sofa as the show goes on.

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    Posted by alan997 (U1233723) on Friday, 18th October 2013

    *sigh* I suppose I should have anticipated that this would bring out all the usual boring Abbott-bashers.

    This board, as has been said ad tedium, is for discussing television programmes. My post concerned DA as a fixture on This Week - whether or not she performs that role well, and whether or not the programme would benefit from her perma-presence. It is emphatically *not* about what anyone happens to think of her as a person or a politician.

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    Posted by sowhatsinaname (U13922452) on Friday, 18th October 2013

    Totally agree Alan. I gave up on bland QT earlier and then turned off This Week because of DA's embarrassing hectoring of Philip Collins. Perhaps she was just trying too hard, but the other people you mention are much more enlightening.

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    Posted by Dee_host (U15846799) on Friday, 18th October 2013

    I only wish you could have given this thread another name, alan.

    Sigh. smiley - winkeye

    As you were. Can we keep it on topic please?

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    Posted by Kenj (U6719920) on Friday, 18th October 2013

    I turned it of too. What with her rotating pointy finger gestures and her talking over the first guest, while seeming not to understand his argument, I could only stand about 25 minutes of it.

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    Posted by ninemaidens (U10751091) on Friday, 18th October 2013

    My heart sank when I heard she'd got the sack, my first thought was I hope she's not back on the sofa.
    . Is it beyond the wit of the researchers to find someone to complement Michael Portillo who is capable of taking a balanced view of the week's events without being tribally labour. That should rule out Alistair Campbell, who has yet to be held to account for his part in debasing our body politic.

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    Posted by FowPah (U1746998) on Friday, 18th October 2013

    smiley - smiley

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    Posted by goodhelenstar (U13943062) on Friday, 18th October 2013

    Actually I think Alastair Campbell and Alan Johnson have both been worthy sofa-mates of Michael Portillo. It is a real skill for politicians to avoid touting the party manifesto every time they speak, but they both do it rather well IMO. I didn't much care for Jacqui Smith initially, though she has improved, unlike Hazel Blears who didn't get it at all.

    The funniest of the lot was Clare Short and Ann Widdecombe who were on some years ago when both Michael and Diane were away - their body language spoke volumes and they couldn't sit far enough apart.

    Ideally it should be recent but not serving politicians, which is what makes Michael Portillo so well-placed to do it.

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    Posted by blue-eyedrover75 (U2580398) on Friday, 18th October 2013

    I too find her intensely irritating. And I do not think you can overlook her decision to educate her son privately given her soi-disant left wing views. They have always sounded very hollow to me since that decision.

    I read somewhere that the guests on the couch get about £700 a programme. Well in my opinion she really isn't worth it with her predictable, mannered arguments. The only reason she is back on is because she has lost her position in the shadow cabinet.

    Why not get Margaret Hodge on instead? She is so impressive.

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    Posted by Semisatanic (U2611151) on Friday, 18th October 2013

    She is repulsive.
    I bet Portilo was gutted when he found out she was coming back.

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    Posted by meddaboy (U15031418) on Friday, 18th October 2013

    jobs for the boys in this case ,she gets the boot from the shadow cab and straight away she is back on the this week couch ,how come ,?she never has anything worthwhile to say.

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    Posted by Lighten Up (U15801316) on Saturday, 19th October 2013

    Well, I'm glad to see her back. I disagree with her politically most of the time and I often find her irritating but I like her and I say, "Welcome back to the This Week family, Diane." I think that fundamentally she is a decent person and usually isn't afraid to say what she really thinks.

    My all-time favourite moment on This Week was when Andrew Neil grilled her about why she recommends state education for her constituents' children but pays for private education for her own.

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    Posted by moaningminnie54 (U14285226) on Saturday, 19th October 2013

    I'd just be glad to see her back smiley - winkeye

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    Posted by alan997 (U1233723) on Saturday, 19th October 2013

    I disagree with her politically most of the time and I often find her irritating but I like her and I say, "Welcome back to the This Week family, Diane." I think that fundamentally she is a decent person and usually isn't afraid to say what she really thinks. 
    I like her, I think she's fundamentally a decent person, and I'd say she's *never* afraid to say what she thinks. I'd go further. I agree with her politically most of the time, and I personally don't think charges of hypocrisy actually stand up. I just don't think she makes a very good perma-lefty for This Week, and that others, such as Alan Johnson or Alistair Campbell, would do a better job of complementing El Portillo. (Who, en passant, was reported in this morning's Guardian frantically back-pedalling over his 'pleb' remarks on this week's show. What larks, Pip, what larks!)

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    Posted by Dee_host (U15846799) on Sunday, 20th October 2013

    A last plea for staying on topic on this everybody!

    I'm going to have to close the thread if it continues to be just a litany of personal complaints about Diane Abbot.

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    Posted by Vox_Populi (U3226170) on Sunday, 20th October 2013

    A last plea for staying on topic on this everybody!

    I'm going to have to close the thread if it continues to be just a litany of personal complaints about Diane Abbot. 
    Well it wouldn't do to point out her failings, would it. Just pull all the comments even if they're true. Anyway, the thread is about D.A. so what's the problem?. It's OK Dee, I'm just humming the Red Flag to myself. smiley - biggrin
    Typical socialism, we don't like to hear the nasty stuff, just the good stuff otherwise people might get the idea we are no better that the capitalists, and we wouldn't want that now, would we.

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    Posted by Vox_Populi (U3226170) on Monday, 21st October 2013

    18 posts pulled out of 36, that's 50% in real money. She seems about as popular as a rattlesnake in a lucky dip. smiley - biggrin

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    Posted by alan997 (U1233723) on Monday, 21st October 2013

    18 posts pulled out of 36, that's 50% in real money. She seems about as popular as a rattlesnake in a lucky dip. smiley - biggrin  Yet she's been repeatedly elected by people who know her - an achievement I rather doubt some hereabouts could emulate.

    Do feel free to comment on the programme won't you.

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    Posted by Portly (U1381981) on Monday, 21st October 2013

    Yet she's been repeatedly elected by people who know her  

    Not difficult in Hackney. smiley - laugh

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    Posted by Vox_Populi (U3226170) on Tuesday, 22nd October 2013

    Are the people of Hackney that sensitive about where they live, or is just the BBC?. Nosensaumor some people, it was a joke. smiley - biggrin

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    Posted by Rumbaba (U13744896) on Tuesday, 22nd October 2013

    Not a good TV performer IMO. It's not a criticism of her 'as a person' but on This Week or QT, she lacks focus and has a tendancy to ramble in a whiney voice that I struggle to hear properly. Even if she has nothing to say, she can 'talk' forever: stream of conciousness stuff. Michael Portillo, on the other hand, can make a succinct point and then just stop talking.

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    Posted by alan997 (U1233723) on Friday, 15th November 2013

    Emily Maitlis did tremendously well last night, I thought. My ignorance of presenters is such that my first thought on seeing her was 'who-she?', but I very quickly realised that she was well capable of stepping into Brillo's shoes - and occupying them with confidence and panache. You could tell the chaps were enjoying her contribution too.

    The programme also confirmed that Tony Parsons is irredeemably up himself, Mary Beard shouldn't give up the day job, and no-one else gets close to El Portillo in his ability to get to the heart of the matter and express it clearly and succinctly. Very good point he made, I thought, about the inbuilt tendency of democracy to guide societies onto the rocks, as politicians are all but forced to promise more than they can ever realistically deliver, and end up mortgaging future generations in the attempt to do so.

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    Posted by PaulHammond (U5000908) on Friday, 15th November 2013

    she gets the boot from the shadow cab and straight away she is back on the this week couch ,how come ,? 

    Diane Abbott was the regular, before she became a shadow minister. She only left because I think there's a bias problem involved in having the regular commentators be actual serving ministers from one of the main parties (though I guess having a position in the party might have made her too busy too)

    I also find it remarkably amusing that you choose to descibe Diane Abbott going back to her former role on "This Week" as being an example of "Jobs for the Boys" Dianne Abbott may be many things, but a boy is one of the things she definitely is not!

    Tell me, what does Danny Dire think about it all?

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    Posted by maestaf (U14145694) on Friday, 15th November 2013

    Yes I thought that Emily Maitlis was good last night. She actually made a joke that was funny. It's about time a woman presented one of BBC One's flagship current affairs programmes, although not this one. I wouldn't like to see Andrew Neil depart, but she would be a big improvement on either Dimbleby or Marr.

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    Posted by Lighten Up (U15801316) on Friday, 15th November 2013

    Yes, Emily Maitlis was good on This Week. But I don't think she would be good on QT. If the chairperson were to be a woman, she would have to be a battleaxe. A battleaxe who reminded the rude and unruly MPs of their nannies and inspired the same kind of fear is what is required these days.

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    Posted by alan997 (U1233723) on Friday, 15th November 2013

    Yes, Emily Maitlis was good on This Week. But I don't think she would be good on QT. If the chairperson were to be a woman, she would have to be a battleaxe. A battleaxe who reminded the rude and unruly MPs of their nannies and inspired the same kind of fear is what is required these days.  Oh I don't know. She looked to me like a gal who could handle herself in a backalley brawl.

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    Posted by sowhatsinaname (U13922452) on Friday, 15th November 2013

    Yes Emily Maitlis seemed in her element didn't she? Amusing and relaxed with it. Less forced than dear old Andrew who is becoming a caricature of himself. Anyone know where he was by the way?

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    Posted by Baldinio (U2012448) on Friday, 15th November 2013

    Yes Emily Maitlis seemed in her element didn't she? Amusing and relaxed with it. Less forced than dear old Andrew who is becoming a caricature of himself. Anyone know where he was by the way? 

    She was very good. Loved the intro about removing all evidence of Andrew Neil from the archives.

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    Posted by zen cat (U14877400) on Friday, 15th November 2013

    Yes Emily Maitlis seemed in her element didn't she? Amusing and relaxed with it. Less forced than dear old Andrew who is becoming a caricature of himself. Anyone know where he was by the way? 
    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 10 Nov

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