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    Posted by lesleylove (U4947890) on Tuesday, 30th July 2013

    What a terribly sad, thought provoking programme this was. How awful for those men and how heart breaking to see them in floods of tears and still affected all these years later. I hope those priests who have passed on are having a good time in hell.....

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    Posted by Bidie-In (U2747062) on Tuesday, 30th July 2013

    Yes - it was very harrowing viewing indeed.

    What always puzzles me - and angers me too - is why the parents of the victims chose to simply inform the senior Priest.

    If my child was abused I would be at the police station in seconds.

    What message does it send to a child when religion trumps law - even in the eyes of your parents? Small wonder these monsters were able to keep abusing - no one thought to tell the correct authorities.

    The new Pope seems to be a very decent chap - humble (rejecting ornate robes, papal palaces etc) and being more 'human' when it comes to gay people in religion - but sadly the church has been destroyed by the actions of a minority - and the monsters who covered up for them.

    I trust the authorities will be pursuing the former priest who was tracked down in Australia? He seems in remarkable good health despite his appalling crimes. smiley - steam

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    Posted by lesleylove (U4947890) on Tuesday, 30th July 2013

    And I was sooo angry when he interviewed the now senior Benedictine priest, who could only say it should never have happened, never said sorry and looked as guilty as sin too and was STILL covering up those horrible acts!

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    Posted by Bidie-In (U2747062) on Tuesday, 30th July 2013

    Yes Lesley - apologising for the sake of the camera.

    And there seems to be some sort of protection in place which stops the victims suing? That needs to be looked at again. One way to hurt religious organisations is through their bank accounts! If they lose enough money and property (and they own plenty!) they will start treating allegations correctly by bringing in the police immediately a claim is made.

    But I still cannot comprehend the actions of the parents of pupils who were brave enough to speak out. Why on earth would you go to the Head of the school where it was happening, and not to the police? And if you did, and little or no action was taken, would you not THEN go to the authorities?

    Does your Faith mean more than your own child?

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    Posted by Fred (U15773678) on Tuesday, 30th July 2013

    But I still cannot comprehend the actions of the parents of pupils who were brave enough to speak out. Why on earth would you go to the Head of the school where it was happening, and not to the police? And if you did, and little or no action was taken, would you not THEN go to the authorities?

    Does your Faith mean more than your own child? 


    Absolutely

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    Posted by lesleylove (U4947890) on Tuesday, 30th July 2013

    My heart went out to the man who was sent all the way from Australia to attend the school and felt particularly vulnerable and homesick only to be abused. His act of throwing his cameria away made me cry!

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    Posted by Lighten Up (U15801316) on Tuesday, 30th July 2013

    But I still cannot comprehend the actions of the parents of pupils who were brave enough to speak out. Why on earth would you go to the Head of the school where it was happening, and not to the police? And if you did, and little or no action was taken, would you not THEN go to the authorities? 

    In those days a parent would have expected the sexual abuse of a child to be a rare, isolated incident committed by a rogue teacher. Naturally the parent would have gone to the Head and expected it to be dealt with appropriately. Now of course we know that these Catholic institutions were crawling with paedophiles and their priority and instinct was to cover up these crimes.

    Also in those days paedophilia was not a household word and parents would have needed an awful lot of confidence to go to the police with what was then an outlandish allegation.

    A thought struck me when I was watching the programme. If one is completely innocent of a crime, one would be keen to face a reporter and refute the allegation. But if one is guilty, one would pretend not to be in, or swear at the reporter, or drive off in a rage. The latter reaction is to my mind one of the sincerest confessions of guilt that one can make.

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    Posted by monic1511 (U1768751) on Tuesday, 30th July 2013

    I watched this and my thoughts where if the abuse of children was so common in church institutions does that mean it was prevalent in mainstream society? After all a lot of our institutions are a reflection of mainstream society.

    the sexisim/prejudices on BBC shows in the 70 & 80 was supposed to be showing what normal UK people were up too.

    I agree that all alleged abusers should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law but if the child now an adult cannot face opening those memories in a court then the alleged perputator will remain just that.

    It was reported on Reporting Scotland that another alleged victim has come forward in Australia and the report has said he has had more contact.

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    Posted by Bidie-In (U2747062) on Tuesday, 30th July 2013

    If the church are aware of allegations - or know for a fact that a priest is abusive - and move him somewhere else, where he goes on to commit further crimes, they are surely guilty of 'aiding and abetting'?

    The only thing churches are afraid of is losing money.

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    Posted by monic1511 (U1768751) on Tuesday, 30th July 2013

    Bidie I agree that the churches were wrong in the act of moving the abuser to another parish, I am also aware of families where one parent was abusing the children and the other parent would never consider reporting it as the scandal would be too much to bear. Children were disbelieved by their mum if they said anything against dad & vice versa.

    My point is if abuse was endemic in churches how prevalent was it in the home - similar levels to the spousal abuse?

    Will need to keep watching reporting scotland to see the developments in the case

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    Posted by Lighten Up (U15801316) on Wednesday, 31st July 2013

    I watched this and my thoughts where if the abuse of children was so common in church institutions does that mean it was prevalent in mainstream society? After all a lot of our institutions are a reflection of mainstream society. 

    I would guess that it was more prevalent in church institutions where the opportunity was there for authority abuse. Paedophiles are attracted to professions where there is access to lots of children

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    Posted by i_amMarieAntoinette (U8354069) on Wednesday, 31st July 2013

    Yes - it was very harrowing viewing indeed.

    What always puzzles me - and angers me too - is why the parents of the victims chose to simply inform the senior Priest.

    If my child was abused I would be at the police station in seconds.

    What message does it send to a child when religion trumps law - even in the eyes of your parents? Small wonder these monsters were able to keep abusing - no one thought to tell the correct authorities.

    The new Pope seems to be a very decent chap - humble (rejecting ornate robes, papal palaces etc) and being more 'human' when it comes to gay people in religion - but sadly the church has been destroyed by the actions of a minority - and the monsters who covered up for them.

    I trust the authorities will be pursuing the former priest who was tracked down in Australia? He seems in remarkable good health despite his appalling crimes. smiley - steam 
    I 100% agree Bidie.

    I watched this on BBC Scotland (even though i don't live there) and I think it should be shown on the other BBC channels. I felt desperately sorry for the boys concerned as they were all away from home (one from Australia) and had no-one to turn to. Surprisingly the parents seemed to do very little as well.

    Sadly these evil men and people who covered for them have destroyed lives and a lot of faith in the Church. No matter what good the church does do (and it does a huge amount of good) and no matter how wonderful some priests are - these wicked men have given anti Catholics a stick to beat the Church with for a very long time.

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    Posted by i_amMarieAntoinette (U8354069) on Sunday, 4th August 2013

    I thought people may be interested in this latest development

    www.bbc.co.uk/news/u...

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    Posted by Bidie-In (U2747062) on Sunday, 4th August 2013

    Let's see him now open up the church records to the police as well as the overflowing church coffers to compensate the victims.....

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