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The Trouble With Trump

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    Posted by germinator (U13411914) on Monday, 8th July 2013

    Panorama 8:30pm BBC1 tonight examines the Trump debacle of "The Great Dunes of Scotland".
    In 2008 Alex Salmond boasted " The balance of opinion among people in the north-east of Scotland and among my constituents is very strongly in favour.
    I mean 6,000 jobs across Scotland, 1,400 local and permanent jobs here in the north-east of Scotland - that's a very powerful argument which outweighs the environmental concerns."
    To date Mr Trump's own representatives put the number of new jobs at 200, while Panorama estimates that only £25m has been spent with one golf course and a temporary clubhouse to show for it.

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    Posted by jannemieke (U9267858) on Monday, 8th July 2013

    Germ, I am going to watch it. Is he the one with the strange coiffure?

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    Posted by germinator (U13411914) on Monday, 8th July 2013

    He used to be janne, but in recent photos he is sporting a red basball type cap. He also has/had an assocaite Felix Sater who took part in a £26m stock market scam in the 1990s involving four Mafia families.
    Revised planning permissions for the land have helped boost the value of Trump's Scottish estate, bought for £7m, to at least £100m.

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    Posted by germinator (U13411914) on Monday, 8th July 2013

    You can see his fine barnet here janne, Colin Montgomerie is another obviously not too proud to help out.
    www.trumpgolfscotlan...

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    Posted by beatxt (U14042175) on Monday, 8th July 2013

    And, according to Private Eye, his chief Scottish PR woman just happens to be married to the editor of one of Scotland's main newspapers.

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    Posted by Prophet Tenebrae (U5995226) on Monday, 8th July 2013

    I wonder whether Scotland's first minister will be taken to task for putting his personal agenda ahead of due diligence?

    Also, isn't this documentary a day late and a dollar short? There was a whole film made about this debacle - albeit unrepentantly anti-Trump... although, with a name like "The Trouble With Trump", I'm not sure we can really say Panorama is going in open minded either.

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Monday, 8th July 2013

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    Posted by Polemicist (U14349342) on Monday, 8th July 2013

    I too am really looking forward to this particular edition of Panorama, since it looks to be rather promising.

    John Sweeney is undoubtedly one of the best, and most tenacious, investigatory journalist still working for the BBC's long-running current affairs programme.

    Anyone else who has also already seen Anthony Baxter's critically acclaimed documentary film, You've Been Trumped, on the very same subject matter, will most certainly not want to miss this much needed update about Donald Trump's highly controversial massive golf course project.

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    Posted by Viligante (U14039144) on Monday, 8th July 2013

    I don't think germinators post was defamatory Peta as even the Indepedent mentions Donald Trump's failure to keep his promises.

    www.independent.co.u...

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    Posted by dingus83 (U14293325) on Monday, 8th July 2013

    I don't think germinators post was defamatory Peta as even the Indepedent mentions Donald Trump's failure to keep his promises.

    www.independent.co.u... 
    Even the Independent isn't immune to being charged under defamatory laws.

    However, it will be interesting to hear what Panorama has to say as the famous documentary You've Been Trumped which BBC2 broadcast a few months ago was threatened with court action but nothing has ever come of it, I believe.

    It's a matter of record in the area that many people were, to say the least, "inconvenienced" by the steps Trump's organisation took to develop their golf course.

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Monday, 8th July 2013

    I don't think germinators post was defamatory Peta as even the Indepedent mentions Donald Trump's failure to keep his promises.

    www.independent.co.u... 
    No - if it was I would have alerted it and had it taken down.

    It was just a general advance notice to people advising them not to get too carried away. smiley - smiley

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    Posted by dingus83 (U14293325) on Monday, 8th July 2013

    55 minutes going over old ground (using footage from You've Been Trumped) and five minutes of interviews with Trump and Alex Salmond to bring an old story up to date. To think Panorama used to be the BBC flagship...

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    Posted by jodie (U14366548) on Monday, 8th July 2013

    You need to follow him on Twitter, He comes out with some extraordinary comments to say the least.
    His twitter spat with Danny Zuker is hillarious.

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    Posted by Prophet Tenebrae (U5995226) on Monday, 8th July 2013

    55 minutes going over old ground (using footage from You've Been Trumped) and five minutes of interviews with Trump and Alex Salmond to bring an old story up to date. To think Panorama used to be the BBC flagship...  55 minutes going over old ground? Impressive given it was on for less than thirty minutes.

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    Posted by Simon Laird (U14555151) on Monday, 8th July 2013

    I'm in utter disbelief at the BBC Panorama program tonight. My respect for the BBC has just been shattered by such a blatant piece of anti-independence propaganda. The timing of it, just before the documentary about Andy Murray winning Wimbledon, seems rather strange given that the supposed storyline, was not topical. So why was it shown now? Could it be they were trying to influence the increased number of Scottish viewers tuning in? BBC, I no longer trust thee at all.

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    Posted by Prophet Tenebrae (U5995226) on Monday, 8th July 2013

    That seems rampantly paranoid... beyond highlighting that Alex Salmond is all mouth and no trousers - something just about everyone with an interest in UK politics knes already - I don't see how it was pro or anti independence?

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    Posted by Malyndi (U14320297) on Monday, 8th July 2013

    Blatant piece of anti-independence propaganda? I wasn't getting that at all - just an impression of two men in positions of power, one at each end of the Atlantic, trying to fluff their way out of being exposed as promise-breakers - and other things undesirable. Neither of them came out looking particularly honourable, I thought!

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    Posted by dingus83 (U14293325) on Monday, 8th July 2013

    55 minutes going over old ground (using footage from You've Been Trumped) and five minutes of interviews with Trump and Alex Salmond to bring an old story up to date. To think Panorama used to be the BBC flagship...  55 minutes going over old ground? Impressive given it was on for less than thirty minutes.  Oops...I did of course mean 25 minutes... smiley - doh

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    Posted by lesleylove (U4947890) on Tuesday, 9th July 2013

    Anti-independence propoganda? I didn't get that. What I did get was that both men are equally dishonest in what they say and do. Has made me even more determined not to go down the route of independence.

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    Posted by Essential Rabbit (U3613943) on Tuesday, 9th July 2013

    Trump and Salmond are obviousy made for each other. It's a shame that, as their relationship developed, they walked all over the people Salmond is supposed to represent, and destroyed a beautiful SSSI.

    Exposing the truth and presenting facts and figures isn't propaganda.

    This is merely a visiion of Scotland post referendum. Take heed.

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    Posted by Hey thats my fish (U15732334) on Tuesday, 9th July 2013

    The name of Jack McConnell seems to have been forgotten in all of this. He was the one who started the ball rolling in 2006 when he was First Minister, in a visit to New York:

    tinyurl.com/pf4ss66...

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    Posted by Annie-Lou (U4502268) on Tuesday, 9th July 2013

    And frankly, if the independence campaign is depending on Alex Salmond being in any way likeable they might as well give up now. Surely his posturing and self-aggrandisement are their biggest handicap. (Mind you if he doesn't lay off the deep-fried mars bars he won't be around long enough to be crowned King of Scotland, as he all to obviously wants to be!)

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    Posted by dingus83 (U14293325) on Tuesday, 9th July 2013

    And frankly, if the independence campaign is depending on Alex Salmond being in any way likeable they might as well give up now. Surely his posturing and self-aggrandisement are their biggest handicap. (Mind you if he doesn't lay off the deep-fried mars bars he won't be around long enough to be crowned King of Scotland, as he all to obviously wants to be!)  I think you're politicising this thread a wee bit and taking it away from the original subject matter...

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    Posted by March Hare (U14471018) on Tuesday, 9th July 2013

    Ok, let's cut to the chase. This is essentially a programme about career politicians and a high flying, driven, ruthless businessman.

    Whatever gave any of you the idea that either party was going to play fair and conduct themselves honestly and honourably?

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    Posted by Essential Rabbit (U3613943) on Tuesday, 9th July 2013

    Ok, let's cut to the chase. This is essentially a programme about career politicians and a high flying, driven, ruthless businessman.

    Whatever gave any of you the idea that either party was going to play fair and conduct themselves honestly and honourably? 
    I don't think many people had that idea, but that's no reason not to condemn such dishonesty when it's so blatant.

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    Posted by St Maddenus witty name to follow (U14314874) on Tuesday, 9th July 2013

    You can say "in my opinion"... a certain person may have acted in a manner that is not ethical.

    because its is not stated as a fact but as an opinion....

    just my 2p input....

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    Posted by Hey thats my fish (U15732334) on Tuesday, 9th July 2013

    If you ARE speaking to me; I may have personal opinions on these people. But, that is not relevant here. The problem that I see is that things were initially set in motion by Jack McConnell in 2006, before Salmond came to power; is it not reasonable to ask if some of the concerns expressed in the program are directed at the right people? I think that it is. Panorama missed an opportunity to present a more solid case (for one side or the other).

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    Posted by Annie-Lou (U4502268) on Tuesday, 9th July 2013

    And frankly, if the independence campaign is depending on Alex Salmond being in any way likeable they might as well give up now. Surely his posturing and self-aggrandisement are their biggest handicap. (Mind you if he doesn't lay off the deep-fried mars bars he won't be around long enough to be crowned King of Scotland, as he all to obviously wants to be!)  I think you're politicising this thread a wee bit and taking it away from the original subject matter...  Nah, not political (I'm not even British) definitely personal. I just can't stand the guy, never could.

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    Posted by StudioTwo (U1523477) on Tuesday, 9th July 2013

    The name of Jack McConnell seems to have been forgotten in all of this. He was the one who started the ball rolling in 2006 when he was First Minister, in a visit to New York:

    tinyurl.com/pf4ss66... 
    I think Jack McConnell was featured in the documentary. Didn't Trump refer to him as the "Boss of Scotland"?

    The way some of certain individuals appear to be so easily seduced by money and quick fixes is quite sickening. Well done to the BBC for exposing this.

    In response answer to an earlier poster, I don't se how that is "propaganda"

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    Posted by Prickles (U14516977) on Sunday, 4th August 2013

    It's always a concern when local democracy is over-ridden by a national group. Local councillors tied so chair followed policy of voting for status quo.

    This was not the end of the planning process - Trump was asked (as many planning applicants are) to go back and rethink his plans so as not to involve a sight of special scientific interest.

    Local press whipped up a nonsensical campaign that 'jobs will be lost, etc' .......... a little suspicious since it seems the editor of the local paper was dating a local mouthpiece in Trump's entourage who is now his wife.

    The Scottish Govt 'called it in' and overturned the local decision.

    Seems to me it's a case of 'money talks' of the nastiest kind and to heck with local people, irreplaceable landscape and broken promises. The treatment of the remaining neighbours is reprehensible and rather frightening given the blind eye turned by the police.

    Just so frustrating and sad.

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    Posted by germinator (U13411914) on Monday, 26th August 2013

    Scotland is lucky that wee Eck did go for a university too.
    www.telegraph.co.uk/...

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    Posted by germinator (U13411914) on Tuesday, 27th August 2013

    Scotland is lucky that wee Eck did go for a university too.
    www.telegraph.co.uk/... 
    Sorry about that the typo, that should read:
    Scotland is lucky that wee Eck did not go for a 'Trump University' too.

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    Posted by Jewel Staite (U14313760) on Wednesday, 28th August 2013

    Was it really a debarcle.... or simply an exercise in political futility with politicians looking for Brownie Points without perceiving the need to do any work ?

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