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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Tuesday, 11th June 2013

    I suspect this will be an interesting programme about someone who has not exactly been in the spotlight since 1982, after being among the most famous people in the world.

    Pity her music outside Abba is not especially memorable smiley - sadface

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Tuesday, 11th June 2013

    When are where is it on Phrasmotic? I think I would find it interesting too.

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Tuesday, 11th June 2013

    When are where is it on Phrasmotic? I think I would find it interesting too.  10:35 BBC1

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    Posted by goodhelenstar (U13943062) on Tuesday, 11th June 2013

    10.35 pm on BBC1 tonight. IFRC Agnetha was the member of ABBA who found life in the spotlight most difficult. She has not appeared in any of the documentaries about ABBA over the years other than archive footage of them performing, so yes it will be interesting to see her now.

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Tuesday, 11th June 2013

    Thank you Phrasmotic and goodhelenstar.

    I too will be interested becase I've read so many times she hated the spotlight and became a recluse. I wonder if they will explain what changed her mind on this.

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Tuesday, 11th June 2013

    As an Abba fan of many years I should explain something.

    Agnetha released three solo albums (English) in the 80s after the end of Abba. These were produced by some familiar names: Mike Chapman, Eric Stewart and Peter Cetera. After that, she released nothing until an album in 2004 of covers of songs made famous by female acts, and her version of If I Thought You'd Ever Change Your Mind (previously a hit for Cilla Black) was a UK top twenty hit.

    The last time she did this much work to promote an album was in 1987:

    www.youtube.com/watc...

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Tuesday, 11th June 2013

    Go away, Tony Blackburn.

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    Posted by man-in-the-moon (U3655413) on Wednesday, 12th June 2013

    I found this interesting as I knew nothing about her career pre Abba.Perhaps a little unfair on Anna Frid to say that Agnetha was the voice of Abba.
    The programme gave the impression that post Eurovision they had almost instant success in the UK which was not the case and at the time were seen as one hit Eurovision winners.

    As a sideline I much preferred Noosha Foxs version of The Heat Is On.

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    Posted by Pancho Wilkins (U1158194) on Wednesday, 12th June 2013

    I didn't find this documentary in the least bit interesting. Agnetha is not exactly a riveting subject. Maybe she shunned interviews because the end result would be a bit flat?

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    Posted by BryanLuc (U12989423) on Wednesday, 12th June 2013

    She still looks great, and her latest album is very good
    Her solo albums all sound very "Abba-ish", she really was the voice of Abba

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    Posted by nightmusic (U6275195) on Wednesday, 12th June 2013

    I'm not usually into female singers but she has a beautiful voice

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    Posted by joejob (U14176482) on Wednesday, 12th June 2013

    I absolutely LOVED this docu. Thank you BBC.

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    Posted by average40 (U14458923) on Wednesday, 12th June 2013

    Wasn't the BBC host telling us yesterday why the BBC advertise/trail forthcoming programmes? Obviously if they didn't tell people they were on then no one would know.

    Well I didn't see this programme trailed on the BBC and subsequently missed it.

    Thank you BBC, for nothing!!

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Wednesday, 12th June 2013

    Wasn't the BBC host telling us yesterday why the BBC advertise/trail forthcoming programmes? Obviously if they didn't tell people they were on then no one would know.

    Well I didn't see this programme trailed on the BBC and subsequently missed it.

    Thank you BBC, for nothing!! 
    The only trail I caught for this programme was a mention in the closing credits of Pointless yesterday. I admit I only found out about it by accident, as I happened to buy the Radio Times last week, and there's a feature in there. I hoped this thread would be noticed by anyone else who might want to see it.

    Answering a couple of other points on here, I always thought The Heat Is On was a bizarre choice of song for Agnetha. It was some years before I found out that Noosha Fox did it first, and it's more suited to her quirky style. Wrap Your Arms Around Me was more suitable, and Agnetha's singing on that song is very seductive in a way it wasn't on Abba songs.

    However, I have to dispute any idea that Agnetha's solo songs were like Abba's. The problem is very much that they weren't. I have the three 80s albums and the 2004 covers album. I haven't played any of them for quite a long time, but I recall the 1987 one with Peter Cetera sounded like a typical schmaltzy late 80s US production (think MIchael Bolton), and there was a duet with Peter Cetera on that album (I Wasn't The One Who Said Goodbye).

    I say all this with a heavy heart. In my late teens and into my 20s I thought that Agnetha was jaw droppingly beautiful, and even now I am very moved by the sight of the 30 year old Agnetha singing those heart breaking words in The Winner Takes It All, and I was convinced that she would have huge success as a solo artist, but it never happened.

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    Posted by average40 (U14458923) on Wednesday, 12th June 2013

    I assume like all the best things on BBC TV this will not be available on the not so wonderful i-player due to "rights issues". Nevermind, plenty of Eastenders on there.smiley - steam

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    Posted by Pancho Wilkins (U1158194) on Wednesday, 12th June 2013

    I assume like all the best things on BBC TV this will not be available on the not so wonderful i-player due to "rights issues". Nevermind, plenty of Eastenders on there.smiley - steam 
    Here you go average40..

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Wednesday, 12th June 2013

    I assume like all the best things on BBC TV this will not be available on the not so wonderful i-player due to "rights issues". Nevermind, plenty of Eastenders on there.smiley - steam  www.bbc.co.uk/iplaye...

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    Posted by nfwjose (U15660576) on Wednesday, 12th June 2013

    I just liked the way she pronounced the name: Ahn-nyeet-thah

    Funny though, that The Visitors album, which was supposed to signal the beginning of the end for Abba, was always my favourite album.

    Ah well, late to the party again!

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Wednesday, 12th June 2013

    I didn't enjoy this as much as I'd hoped I would. I'm not sure why really.

    She is still very pretty, she can still sing wonderfully, she did explain that so much of the reporting in the press wasn't true.

    It just left me wanting more.

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    Posted by Sir Ad E Noid (U1525146) on Wednesday, 12th June 2013

    I felt that as a documentary it was pretty bland and just confirmed the details that had been aired in other Abba progreammes. Agnetha seemed very pleasant and it's good for her fans to have her back, but it was all too careful and over managed, rather like Abba's image back in the 70's anyway. Frida must have refused to take part in the show, now the reasons for that might have made it all a bit more interesting.

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    Posted by mal (U5924339) on Wednesday, 12th June 2013

    Sadly she is nothing without the other members. She really needs Bjorn and Benny s lyrics to sing. Her voice just shone with their production. Sparkling and shiny. Powerful on rock, sweet on ballads.
    Wouldnt buy her solo stuff at all unfortunately.

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Wednesday, 12th June 2013

    I just liked the way she pronounced the name: Ahn-nyeet-thah

    Funny though, that The Visitors album, which was supposed to signal the beginning of the end for Abba, was always my favourite album.

    Ah well, late to the party again! 
    There were one or two tracks on The Visitors that I HATED. Some of it pointed the way forward to musical theatre, and Like An Angel Passing Through My Room has grown on me over the years. However, I have never liked Head Over Heels, while Two For The Price Of One is so awful that Benny and Bjorn must have signalled that they didn't want to do this group thing any more.

    I always thought Super Trouper was their best album.

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    Posted by mal (U5924339) on Wednesday, 12th June 2013

    Supertrooper album was pretty bad imo. Really average tracks apart from Winner and Super Trooper.
    Voulez Vous was better. Arrival genius.
    The album was great

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    Posted by nfwjose (U15660576) on Thursday, 13th June 2013

    There were one or two tracks on The Visitors that I HATED. Some of it pointed the way forward to musical theatre, and Like An Angel Passing Through My Room has grown on me over the years. However, I have never liked Head Over Heels, while Two For The Price Of One is so awful that Benny and Bjorn must have signalled that they didn't want to do this group thing any more.  Yes, they were my least favourite tracks too.

    But I thought 'Like an Angel' was sublime! And 'When All is said and Done' struck me as almost annoyingly catchy!

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    Posted by looksalot (U14606492) on Thursday, 13th June 2013

    I have just caught up with this having looked forward to some details about life after Abba, not just for her but all the group. I found the programme disappointing - nothing much revealed that I couldn't have found out on wiki! As a foursome they really gelled and sounded great but individually - hmmm.....not very impressed with Agnetha's voice or choice of songs.

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Thursday, 13th June 2013

    There were one or two tracks on The Visitors that I HATED. Some of it pointed the way forward to musical theatre, and Like An Angel Passing Through My Room has grown on me over the years. However, I have never liked Head Over Heels, while Two For The Price Of One is so awful that Benny and Bjorn must have signalled that they didn't want to do this group thing any more.  Yes, they were my least favourite tracks too.

    But I thought 'Like an Angel' was sublime! And 'When All is said and Done' struck me as almost annoyingly catchy! 
    ...and they weren't on this programme because Frida sang lead!

    When All Is Said and Done should have been the follow up single to One Of Us. I can only assume it wasn't because it includes the word S-E-X.

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    Posted by bounty-is-back-from-the-dead (U14258254) on Thursday, 13th June 2013

    Sadly she is nothing without the other members. She really needs Bjorn and Benny s lyrics to sing. Her voice just shone with their production. Sparkling and shiny. Powerful on rock, sweet on ballads.
    Wouldnt buy her solo stuff at all unfortunately. 
    I'm sorry that you feel that Agnetha is nothing without Abba because she and the other members of ABBA had very successful solo recording careers long before ABBA was formed.and since the demise of ABBA Just because she has not release any english speaking albums in 10 years she has made them in her native language including one with her daughter.

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    Posted by clootiedumplin (U14281026) on Thursday, 13th June 2013

    I felt that as a documentary it was pretty bland and just confirmed the details that had been aired in other Abba progreammes. Agnetha seemed very pleasant and it's good for her fans to have her back, but it was all too careful and over managed, rather like Abba's image back in the 70's anyway. Frida must have refused to take part in the show, now the reasons for that might have made it all a bit more interesting.  I too wondered why Frida wasn't part of this programme, but it may just have been that she had a prior engagement! However I do think it's unfair at some negative comments she has received (not on this Board though) just because she wasn't "the blonde one".
    I watched a programme a couple of years ago about Abba (it may have been to do with the anniversary of Mama Mia or some such thing) and only Frida and Bjorn spoke on that. I already knew that Agnetha didn't do interviews, but thought Benny's absence strange. However, he also may have had a previous engagement.
    It was explained on Monday's programme that Agnetha's voice, being the higher of the two women, was the one which was heard. However, you can hear Frida's voice in most of their songs if you listen hard enough! I remember hearing Fernando on the radio before i saw it performed on TOTP and was surprised that Frida was leading! The two voices were similar.
    I think Abba, like the Beatles and other groups, had a sound unique to them and think it's only natural members of these groups sound different as solo artists.

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Thursday, 13th June 2013

    Sadly she is nothing without the other members. She really needs Bjorn and Benny s lyrics to sing. Her voice just shone with their production. Sparkling and shiny. Powerful on rock, sweet on ballads.
    Wouldnt buy her solo stuff at all unfortunately. 
    I'm sorry that you feel that Agnetha is nothing without Abba because she and the other members of ABBA had very successful solo recording careers long before ABBA was formed.and since the demise of ABBA Just because she has not release any english speaking albums in 10 years she has made them in her native language including one with her daughter. 
    She did a Christmas album with Linda around 1980 and an album of children's songs with Christian a couple of years later. She released three English language solo albums in the 80s (Wrap Your Arms Around Me, Eyes Of A Woman and I Stand Alone) and a covers album in 2004 (My Colouring Book).

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Thursday, 13th June 2013

    I felt that as a documentary it was pretty bland and just confirmed the details that had been aired in other Abba progreammes. Agnetha seemed very pleasant and it's good for her fans to have her back, but it was all too careful and over managed, rather like Abba's image back in the 70's anyway. Frida must have refused to take part in the show, now the reasons for that might have made it all a bit more interesting.  I too wondered why Frida wasn't part of this programme, but it may just have been that she had a prior engagement! However I do think it's unfair at some negative comments she has received (not on this Board though) just because she wasn't "the blonde one".
    I watched a programme a couple of years ago about Abba (it may have been to do with the anniversary of Mama Mia or some such thing) and only Frida and Bjorn spoke on that. I already knew that Agnetha didn't do interviews, but thought Benny's absence strange. However, he also may have had a previous engagement.
    It was explained on Monday's programme that Agnetha's voice, being the higher of the two women, was the one which was heard. However, you can hear Frida's voice in most of their songs if you listen hard enough! I remember hearing Fernando on the radio before i saw it performed on TOTP and was surprised that Frida was leading! The two voices were similar.
    I think Abba, like the Beatles and other groups, had a sound unique to them and think it's only natural members of these groups sound different as solo artists. 
    I disagree about the two voices. Frida sings lead on Fernando, Money Money Money, Knowing Me Knowing You, Super Trouper, while Agnetha takes the lead on SOS, Take A Chance On Me, The Winner Takes It All, One Of Us, The Day Before You Came. In Name Of The Game, Agnetha has a solo section in the verses ("I was an impossible case...") and Frida has a solo section in the chorus ("Tell me please, 'cause I have to know...").

    Frida's voice is lower and smoother, while Agnetha's is higher and more emotional. Agnetha could not have reached those deep notes in Money Money Money ("I work all night I work all day..."), and it's inconceivable that Frida could have wrought as much emotion out of the wonderful Winner Takes It All.

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    Posted by SATM67 (U14061947) on Thursday, 13th June 2013

    Considering it is some 30+ years since Abba broke up, I thought that Agnetha's singing voice is still excellent.
    As was stated in the programme, compared to her Abba days, her current singing voice is one tone lower, but wider.
    One may not like the songs on her new album, but, for me, the quality of her singing is still apparent.

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    Posted by germinator (U13411914) on Thursday, 13th June 2013

    As a non-musician I think I understand Agnetha being "one tone lower", ie lower vocal frequency, but what do you mean by "but wider"?

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    Posted by goodhelenstar (U13943062) on Thursday, 13th June 2013

    I think it probably meant richer or fuller, rounder in tone. I can't say I noticed particularly though, her voice always struck me as quite reedy and still does, while Frieda's is warmer and more versatile. Abba was more than the sum of its parts, and I think it's inevitable that individually they have not been as successful as they were when together.

    But that's not to denigrate them - they were much more successful than most pop groups have been - and their second wind with Mamma Mia! has gained them a whole new generation of fans, not something that most pop groups have. Even though over 30 years have passed since their heyday, Agnetha sounds great. And looks great which, despite her protestations, was certainly always part of her appeal!

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    Posted by drainpipe1957 (U14993788) on Thursday, 13th June 2013

    What a comment to make .The unforgettable voice is so distinctive which gave ABBA the sound of harmonizing in the greatest sounding recorded songs ever .BBC did a well research documentary about her life before with and after ABba We'll done on a great programme

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    Posted by clootiedumplin (U14281026) on Friday, 14th June 2013

    What a comment to make .The unforgettable voice is so distinctive which gave ABBA the sound of harmonizing in the greatest sounding recorded songs ever .BBC did a well research documentary about her life before with and after ABba We'll done on a great programme  I agree about the research. Benny was unrecognisable in the early footage of him playing keyboards! Bjorn and Agnetha looked so sweet in their early footage, and Frida sophisticated. I admit I hated some of the hairdo's Frida acquired in the Abba years.
    I watched the programme again last night and Bjorn said that they did write songs with "one voice in mind". He took care not to mention any names. He also said "Sometimes one of them would say 'Oh, she's had two songs, it should be my turn now '" with a twinkle in his eye.
    Agnetha insisted the two women got on most of the time. It must have been difficult for her leaving her two young children when she toured whereas Frida's were grown up by then (she had two boys from a prevous marriage).
    I remember watching the video of "Happy New Year" and thinking how it couldn't be all that happy for Agentha and Bjorn with them newly divorced. I also remember my dad saying at the time what a good group they were. Unusual for a parent to like a pop group! Sadly, he died a few weeks later, and his words come back to me whenever I hear that song.
    Sorry! I've gone into Talentshowmode.

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    Posted by goodhelenstar (U13943062) on Friday, 14th June 2013

    I also remember my dad saying at the time what a good group they were. Unusual for a parent to like a pop group! Sadly, he died a few weeks later, and his words come back to me whenever I hear that song.
    Sorry! I've gone into Talentshowmode. 
    I know what you mean clootidumplin. My grandmother, who was a very fine classical pianist, was a big fan of the Osmonds, and also of Queen - not because of their musical styles and image which couldn't be further apart, but because of their professionalism, good singing voices and the fact that they wrote their own music. She liked the Bee Gees too for the same reason.

    Frida's hairstyles were indeed frightful, but they were not the worst excesses of 70s style!

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Friday, 14th June 2013

    I also remember my dad saying at the time what a good group they were. Unusual for a parent to like a pop group! Sadly, he died a few weeks later, and his words come back to me whenever I hear that song.
    Sorry! I've gone into Talentshowmode. 
    I know what you mean clootidumplin. My grandmother, who was a very fine classical pianist, was a big fan of the Osmonds, and also of Queen - not because of their musical styles and image which couldn't be further apart, but because of their professionalism, good singing voices and the fact that they wrote their own music. She liked the Bee Gees too for the same reason.

    Frida's hairstyles were indeed frightful, but they were not the worst excesses of 70s style! 
    I didn't think the Osmonds wrote their own material. Love Me For A Reason was composed by Johnny Bristol, and all the solo/duets I remember were covers. I thought Mike Curb might have had a hand in the songwriting for the group, but I'm not sure.

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    Posted by average40 (U14458923) on Friday, 14th June 2013

    I also remember my dad saying at the time what a good group they were. Unusual for a parent to like a pop group! Sadly, he died a few weeks later, and his words come back to me whenever I hear that song.
    Sorry! I've gone into Talentshowmode. 
    I know what you mean clootidumplin. My grandmother, who was a very fine classical pianist, was a big fan of the Osmonds, and also of Queen - not because of their musical styles and image which couldn't be further apart, but because of their professionalism, good singing voices and the fact that they wrote their own music. She liked the Bee Gees too for the same reason.

    Frida's hairstyles were indeed frightful, but they were not the worst excesses of 70s style! 
    I didn't think the Osmonds wrote their own material. Love Me For A Reason was composed by Johnny Bristol, and all the solo/duets I remember were covers. I thought Mike Curb might have had a hand in the songwriting for the group, but I'm not sure. 
    Well why don't you look it up then? You spend all day every day on here Fras so not too difficult to google.

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    Posted by Pancho Wilkins (U1158194) on Friday, 14th June 2013

    I also remember my dad saying at the time what a good group they were. Unusual for a parent to like a pop group! Sadly, he died a few weeks later, and his words come back to me whenever I hear that song.
    Sorry! I've gone into Talentshowmode. 
    I know what you mean clootidumplin. My grandmother, who was a very fine classical pianist, was a big fan of the Osmonds, and also of Queen - not because of their musical styles and image which couldn't be further apart, but because of their professionalism, good singing voices and the fact that they wrote their own music. She liked the Bee Gees too for the same reason.

    Frida's hairstyles were indeed frightful, but they were not the worst excesses of 70s style! 
    I didn't think the Osmonds wrote their own material. Love Me For A Reason was composed by Johnny Bristol, and all the solo/duets I remember were covers. I thought Mike Curb might have had a hand in the songwriting for the group, but I'm not sure. 
    Well why don't you look it up then? You spend all day every day on here Fras so not too difficult to google. 
    Hi average40

    do you remember you complained about this documentary not being on iplayer?

    Both phras and I sent you a link to the documentary on iplayer. did you notice that?

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    Posted by average40 (U14458923) on Friday, 14th June 2013

    Have you noticed I do that all the time so people like you look things up for me?

    Thanks.

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    Posted by Pancho Wilkins (U1158194) on Friday, 14th June 2013

    Have you noticed I do that all the time so people like you look things up for me?

    Thanks. 
    Yes you do have a way with people, average40

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Friday, 14th June 2013

    I also remember my dad saying at the time what a good group they were. Unusual for a parent to like a pop group! Sadly, he died a few weeks later, and his words come back to me whenever I hear that song.
    Sorry! I've gone into Talentshowmode. 
    I know what you mean clootidumplin. My grandmother, who was a very fine classical pianist, was a big fan of the Osmonds, and also of Queen - not because of their musical styles and image which couldn't be further apart, but because of their professionalism, good singing voices and the fact that they wrote their own music. She liked the Bee Gees too for the same reason.

    Frida's hairstyles were indeed frightful, but they were not the worst excesses of 70s style! 
    I didn't think the Osmonds wrote their own material. Love Me For A Reason was composed by Johnny Bristol, and all the solo/duets I remember were covers. I thought Mike Curb might have had a hand in the songwriting for the group, but I'm not sure. 
    Hi

    Can you get back onto the topic of the programme please?

    This post has moved into general discussion, which is off topic for the board.

    Off topic posts, will as you know, be removed.

    Thanks all, and have a great weekend.

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