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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Essential Rabbit (U3613943) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Quite ironic that the lead subject on today's POV programme was a topic that users of its dedicated messageboard were not permitted to discuss.

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    Posted by Chezzie (U1159267) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Has POV already been on then?

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    Posted by Sue_Aitch (U3336990) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Just missed, says the Programme page: on too early for some of us who've been out to worship of a Sunday morn.

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    I thought it only discussed what we have been permitted to discuss, BBC programmes involving Mrs. Thatcher and changes in programing because of her demise - not Mrs. Thatcher as a person or her policies.

    So spot on really.

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    Posted by zen humbug (U14877400) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Has POV already been on then?  
    Yes - but it was mostly padding. Hardly any points from the viewers were read out.

    The issue of splitting up prgrammes - the "more later" technique - was a case in point. One viewer had a video feature and it was boring and repetitive, and then the guy who makes Country File was wheeled out to say "This is the way we do it, and it's the best way". End of.

    The fact that this is a complaint about many programmes was ignored, and nobody was really challenged to justify the practice.

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  • Message 6

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    Posted by Bananas are the best (U15650112) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    If you go to iPlayer, and watch what is on now, you can actually still watch it while it for anopther hour and a bit. Just click on the beginning of POints of View on the orange/yellow line at the bottom of the picture. If it isn't there, then it is too late. Just missed, says the Programme page: on too early for some of us who've been out to worship of a Sunday morn. 

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    Posted by zen humbug (U14877400) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    I thought it only discussed what we have been permitted to discuss, BBC programmes involving Mrs. Thatcher and changes in programing because of her demise - not Mrs. Thatcher as a person or her policies.

    So spot on really.

     

    We weren't "permitted" to discuss ANY programmes abouit Thatcher. In fact, the board was temporarily pre-moderated to exclude any mention of the coverage.

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Has POV already been on then?  
    Yes - but it was mostly padding. Hardly any points from the viewers were read out.

    The issue of splitting up prgrammes - the "more later" technique - was a case in point. One viewer had a video feature and it was boring and repetitive, and then the guy who makes Country File was wheeled out to say "This is the way we do it, and it's the best way". End of.

    The fact that this is a complaint about many programmes was ignored, and nobody was really challenged to justify the practice.
     
    . Hardly any points from the viewers were read out.  

    Depends what you call hardly any.

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by zen humbug (U14877400) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Hardly any points from the viewers were read out.  

    Depends what you call hardly any.

     

    About 3 or 4 per subject, and there were about 5 subjects - perhaps 18 comments of about 5 to 10 seconds each. Maybe 2 or 3 minutes of comments read out?

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    Posted by Monty Burns (U7868864) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    One viewer had a video feature and it was boring and repetitive, and then the guy who makes Country File was wheeled out to say "This is the way we do it, and it's the best way". End of. 

    Watchdog is one of the worst offenders of this

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by AmosBurke (U8229185) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Barely Legal Drivers has been edited, so the sequence which shows the camera car running two red lights will be missing from the repeat. Yet another BBC fudge!

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    Posted by devonia (U11270616) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    I missed it again also. Why is it on so early this series? As far as I can remember it has always been on around 4.00-5.00pm. Surely lots of people will be in the middle of cooking or eating Sunday lunch at this new time.

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by mirandashell (U1946590) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    I think it was to prevent the usual meltdown when Thatcher lovers and haters are in the same space. It was just easier to pre-moderate than to try and sort out the mess afterwards.

    It's been a while since we've had a meltdown on this board but it's a lot of work for the Mods and Host when it happens.

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    Posted by pedrokelly (U1360661) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    I missed it again also. Why is it on so early this series? As far as I can remember it has always been on around 4.00-5.00pm. Surely lots of people will be in the middle of cooking or eating Sunday lunch at this new time.  I notice in my programme guide for next Sunday it is on at 3:50pm on BBC Scotland.

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    Posted by Turner (U14992668) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    If that's the case, I find it rather insulting to posters here, as well as OTT. Yeah, there might have been the odd one out, but I think most of us here are capable of expressing our criticism, or indeed praise, without descending into slanging matches.

    Ironically, I think this overreaction might have been counter-productive, and a lot of good will has been burned by this, and perhaps gone for good.

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by mirandashell (U1946590) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Really? Hmmm.....


    I'm afraid I don't agree with you. Have you seen the vitriol and insults on the Brian Blessed thread? And that's just to an actor....... Imagine what Thatcher threads would have been like!

    I didn't much like being pre-moderated but I got why they did it.

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by Turner (U14992668) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Also, I'm pretty sure a lot more work for the Mods and Host has been created out of the decision to run the entire board in pre-mod and then post-mod for a week, than it would have been the case otherwise.
    Oh well.

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by santapup (U14659366) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    If that's the case, I find it rather insulting to posters here, as well as OTT. Yeah, there might have been the odd one out, but I think most of us here are capable of expressing our criticism, or indeed praise, without descending into slanging matches.

    Ironically, I think this overreaction might have been counter-productive, and a lot of good will has been burned by this, and perhaps gone for good. 
    Missing the point about what this board is about-tv programmes-and in no time it would descend into a political argy-bargy

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by mirandashell (U1946590) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Errr no.... I would imagine that most of the regulars got the point fairly quickly so didn't bother. And newbies with a first post that was full of right or left wing vitriol would just have got bumped out.


    I think maybe you weren't here for the last board meltdown? Seriously, it takes over the whole board and causes a right mess. So in a lot of ways, I'm glad it didn't happen.

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by Turner (U14992668) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Really? Hmmm.....


    I'm afraid I don't agree with you. Have you seen the vitriol and insults on the Brian Blessed thread?  


    That's exactly what I meant by this decision having made things worse. It's got so divisive and hateful now, because people feel they've been treated like children. Treat people like children and they'll behave like children.

    Also, what's the problem with a few impassionate comments and honestly expressed opinions, as long as they're not breaking the law? This is a message board, after all. I feel a lot of people are sick and tired of having to tread on egg-shells.

    Anyway, back to the sun. It's too beautiful a day to waste on such trifles! smiley - biggrin

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    Posted by mirandashell (U1946590) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Hmm... I thinking you are stretching how you feel on to everyone else. It's fair enough if you feel that way but it doesn't apply to all of us.

    And honestly, it would have been a lot worse than a few passionate views?

    To the oldies here, what was the subject of the last meltdown? Was it the Black and White board or has there been one since?

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by Chezzie (U1159267) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Pre and post mod I didn't mind, it's the three minute wait that gets my goat.

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by debbie3974 (U15695009) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Has POV already been on then?  
    Yes - but it was mostly padding. Hardly any points from the viewers were read out.

    The issue of splitting up prgrammes - the "more later" technique - was a case in point. One viewer had a video feature and it was boring and repetitive, and then the guy who makes Country File was wheeled out to say "This is the way we do it, and it's the best way". End of.

    The fact that this is a complaint about many programmes was ignored, and nobody was really challenged to justify the practice.
     
    I totally agreed with the gentleman's complaints about the splitting up programs approach . My husband and i get extremely frustrated by the more later technique to program compilation. It almost implies that we have the attention span of toddlers. We are regular viewers of country file but find this aspect of the program totally exasperating. Please BBC listen to your audiences complaints. WE DO NOT LIKE HAVING ARTICLES SPLIT UP IN THIS WAY IT RUINS THE FLOW OF THE SHOW!!!.

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    Posted by Essential Rabbit (U3613943) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    I thought it only discussed what we have been permitted to discuss, BBC programmes involving Mrs. Thatcher and changes in programing because of her demise - not Mrs. Thatcher as a person or her policies.

    So spot on really.

     
    Cold we have links to those threads please?

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by Maxibaby (U14151672) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Has POV already been on then?  
    Yes - but it was mostly padding. Hardly any points from the viewers were read out.

    The issue of splitting up prgrammes - the "more later" technique - was a case in point. One viewer had a video feature and it was boring and repetitive, and then the guy who makes Country File was wheeled out to say "This is the way we do it, and it's the best way". End of.

    The fact that this is a complaint about many programmes was ignored, and nobody was really challenged to justify the practice.
     
    I totally agreed with the gentleman's complaints about the splitting up programs approach . My husband and i get extremely frustrated by the more later technique to program compilation. It almost implies that we have the attention span of toddlers. We are regular viewers of country file but find this aspect of the program totally exasperating. Please BBC listen to your audiences complaints. WE DO NOT LIKE HAVING ARTICLES SPLIT UP IN THIS WAY IT RUINS THE FLOW OF THE SHOW!!!.  
    Yes, but the BBC responded "This is the way we do it, and it's the best way". This is their response to criticism, and if you think they would give any regard to the opinions of the viewers .......... well, there's another pink pig flying overhead. smiley - biggrin

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by EggOnAStilt (U7111730) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    smiley - flyingpig

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    I thought it only discussed what we have been permitted to discuss, BBC programmes involving Mrs. Thatcher and changes in programing because of her demise - not Mrs. Thatcher as a person or her policies.

    So spot on really.

     
    Cold we have links to those threads please? 
    What threads, it's just the normal House Rules for this particular messageboard. Talk about the presentation of a programme, not about the person.

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by cricket-Angel twinkly lights Tucker (U3382697) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    To the oldies here, what was the subject of the last meltdown? Was it the Black and White board or has there been one since? 

    Wasn't it an SCD thing? John Sergeant leaving or summat? smiley - erm

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by dave (U2043922) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Has POV already been on then?  
    Yes - but it was mostly padding. Hardly any points from the viewers were read out.

    The issue of splitting up prgrammes - the "more later" technique - was a case in point. One viewer had a video feature and it was boring and repetitive, and then the guy who makes Country File was wheeled out to say "This is the way we do it, and it's the best way". End of.

    The fact that this is a complaint about many programmes was ignored, and nobody was really challenged to justify the practice.
     
    Same old then smiley - erm

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by Essential Rabbit (U3613943) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    I thought it only discussed what we have been permitted to discuss, BBC programmes involving Mrs. Thatcher and changes in programing because of her demise - not Mrs. Thatcher as a person or her policies.

    So spot on really.

     
    Cold we have links to those threads please? 
    What threads, it's just the normal House Rules for this particular messageboard. Talk about the presentation of a programme, not about the person.

     
    Strewth, I didn't realize it was going to be *this* difficult.

    The POV programme opened with a discussion of a topic we were not allowed to discuss on the POV message board. Hence the irony.

    You said. "It only discuussed what we have been permitted to discuss" - We weren't permitted to discuss anything.

    And, I really don't need you to tell me about the rules for "this particular messageboard". I've been posting here for quite some time.

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    I know Rabbit, which is why I am so suprised you made such an opening post. On this board people have been able to discuss stuff on the BBC about Mrs Thatcher, in The Green Room.

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    I thought it only discussed what we have been permitted to discuss, BBC programmes involving Mrs. Thatcher and changes in programing because of her demise - not Mrs. Thatcher as a person or her policies.

    So spot on really.

     
    Cold we have links to those threads please? 
    What threads, it's just the normal House Rules for this particular messageboard. Talk about the presentation of a programme, not about the person.

     
    Strewth, I didn't realize it was going to be *this* difficult.

    The POV programme opened with a discussion of a topic we were not allowed to discuss on the POV message board. Hence the irony.

    You said. "It only discuussed what we have been permitted to discuss" - We weren't permitted to discuss anything.

    And, I really don't need you to tell me about the rules for "this particular messageboard". I've been posting here for quite some time.  
    Or, at link was given by Peta where you could comment of the death of Mrs Thatcher at the time. www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by mirandashell (U1946590) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    To the oldies here, what was the subject of the last meltdown? Was it the Black and White board or has there been one since? 

    Wasn't it an SCD thing? John Sergeant leaving or summat? smiley - erm 
    Oh yeah! I remember that. Absolute madness.

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    Posted by santapup (U14659366) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    I thought it only discussed what we have been permitted to discuss, BBC programmes involving Mrs. Thatcher and changes in programing because of her demise - not Mrs. Thatcher as a person or her policies.

    So spot on really.

     
    Cold we have links to those threads please? 
    What threads, it's just the normal House Rules for this particular messageboard. Talk about the presentation of a programme, not about the person.

     
    Strewth, I didn't realize it was going to be *this* difficult.

    The POV programme opened with a discussion of a topic we were not allowed to discuss on the POV message board. Hence the irony.

    You said. "It only discuussed what we have been permitted to discuss" - We weren't permitted to discuss anything.

    And, I really don't need you to tell me about the rules for "this particular messageboard". I've been posting here for quite some time.  
    Or, at link was given by Peta where you could comment of the death of Mrs Thatcher at the time. www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

     
    Sorry DS you couldn't comment at the time-that thread was closed to replies

    It was made quite clear that no discussion would be allowed-and why should it be on this board ?

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  • Message 37

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    Posted by yellowcat (U218155) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Yes, but the BBC responded "This is the way we do it, and it's the best way". This is their response to criticism, and if you think they would give any regard to the opinions of the viewers .......... well, there's another pink pig flying overhead. smiley - biggrin 

    The practise of splitting up reports into small segments spread throughout a programme is extremely irritating and significantly detracts from the enjoyment of a show. I suspect that the real reason for this comes from American commercial television like the Discovery channel.
    They know that not all viewers will be interested in all the reports in a programme.
    If one report was covered in full between ad breaks then people may not return after the break or flip channels if they realised that a report was not of interest to them.
    By breaking up reports into segments spread through the show they hope to keep people watching their channel waiting to see the odd bits of the programme that interest them.

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Sorry cody, didn't explain that very well did I. Peta gave the link when it was still open, I thought her post made it clear that any discussion should be there, not here, which is only about BBC TV programmes that the programme POV could use for their programme.

    smiley - laugh

    Is that better? Or worse?

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    Posted by Essential Rabbit (U3613943) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    I know Rabbit, which is why I am so suprised you made such an opening post. On this board people have been able to discuss stuff on the BBC about Mrs Thatcher, in The Green Room.

     
    I'm strangely unconcerned that you are so surprised.

    The Green Room is an off-topic thread.
    I seem to recall some posters complaining when people in the Green Room made what they considered to be on-topic posts.

    One of the main reasons I have virtually stopped posting here is because I'm fed up with being told what I should and should not post and where I should and should not post it, by anyone other than the host and the moderators - it's tiresome.

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Personally I'm not telling you where you should or should not post, I was just trying to help direct you to where the Host and the POV programme would prefer you to post, as you requested.

    .

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  • Message 41

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    Posted by briblogg (U14281340) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Has POV already been on then?  
    Yes - but it was mostly padding. Hardly any points from the viewers were read out.

    The issue of splitting up prgrammes - the "more later" technique - was a case in point. One viewer had a video feature and it was boring and repetitive, and then the guy who makes Country File was wheeled out to say "This is the way we do it, and it's the best way". End of.

    The fact that this is a complaint about many programmes was ignored, and nobody was really challenged to justify the practice.
     
    I couldn't agree more. I have just watched last weeks POV and one subject was 'what is the point of POV' and they wheeled out programme makers saying that they had changed their programmes because of criticism on POV. Then this week a legitimate and recurring complaint about splitting up of items in programmes is dismissed out of hand by the incredibly arrogant produce, which was left totally unchallenged and that was the end of the discussion.

    What is the point of Points of View....indeed.

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    Posted by pedrokelly (U1360661) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Has POV already been on then?  
    Yes - but it was mostly padding. Hardly any points from the viewers were read out.

    The issue of splitting up prgrammes - the "more later" technique - was a case in point. One viewer had a video feature and it was boring and repetitive, and then the guy who makes Country File was wheeled out to say "This is the way we do it, and it's the best way". End of.

    The fact that this is a complaint about many programmes was ignored, and nobody was really challenged to justify the practice.
     
    I totally agreed with the gentleman's complaints about the splitting up programs approach . My husband and i get extremely frustrated by the more later technique to program compilation. It almost implies that we have the attention span of toddlers. We are regular viewers of country file but find this aspect of the program totally exasperating. Please BBC listen to your audiences complaints. WE DO NOT LIKE HAVING ARTICLES SPLIT UP IN THIS WAY IT RUINS THE FLOW OF THE SHOW!!!.  
    Coming up later, what I think of 'coming up later' in BBC programmes.

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    Posted by vanessalou (U14182395) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Lots of posts just been removed there. Just watched this as it has finally come up on i player. Makes me laugh how there can be loads of posts criticising a show but they pick the one or two praising it. Also the usual we are right you are wrong and we know what you want better than you do. If a show starts all that coming up later nonsense I turn over.

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    Posted by zelda (U2012536) ** on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    The programme is now available on demand as well now. I have been waiting hours for it to appear.

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    Posted by zelda (U2012536) ** on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    The programme is now available on demand as well now. I have been waiting hours for it to appear.  


    I wish I hadn't bothered..... the most exciting bit about it was the ever growing plate of sausage and mash.

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  • Message 48

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    Posted by yellowcat (U218155) on Sunday, 14th April 2013

    Also the usual we are right you are wrong and we know what you want better than you do. If a show starts all that coming up later nonsense I turn over. 

    We just have to understand that THE BBC ALWAYS KNOWS BEST.

    Always.

    Even if the majority of viewers disagree with them.

    THE BBC ALWAYS KNOWS BEST.

    So stop complaining about things that you clearly do not understand.

    THE BBC ALWAYS KNOWS BEST.

    Is that clear now?

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  • Message 49

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    Posted by Gizmomoo (U10999499) on Monday, 15th April 2013

    Quite ironic that the lead subject on today's POV programme was a topic that users of its dedicated messageboard were not permitted to discuss.  I understand what you mean Essential Rabbit smiley - ok

    The programme started off talking about news programmes. We are not allowed to post threads about news programmes no matter what the content.

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    Posted by zen humbug (U14877400) on Monday, 15th April 2013

    We are not allowed to post threads about news programmes no matter what the content.  
    The POV programme, however, also utilises email contributions - and snail mail too, presumably.

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