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Arne Dahl BBC4 6th April 9pm

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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Phil-ap (U13637313) on Tuesday, 2nd April 2013

    The start of five double feature length stories from Sweden. I'll say no more as some people are sensitive about spoilers.

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    Posted by Guv-nor (U7476305) on Wednesday, 3rd April 2013

    People can find their own spoilers here in the Episode list

    www.bbc.co.uk/progra...

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    Posted by Phil-ap (U13637313) on Friday, 5th April 2013

    Unfortunately the wrong thread has been bumped up.

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    Posted by Guv-nor (U7476305) on Friday, 5th April 2013

    Perhaps the person who foolishly started the duplicate should report himself as off topic since duplicates are "banned".

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    Posted by Annie-Lou (U4502268) on Friday, 5th April 2013

    Why was it the wrong thread Phil?? YOU started it. You're usually the first to moan about duplicates!

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    Posted by Phil-ap (U13637313) on Friday, 5th April 2013

    The first thread was a general one about forthcoming foreign series while this one is specific to Arne Dahl and gives the time and date of the first episode. It is not a duplicate.

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    Posted by Annie-Lou (U4502268) on Friday, 5th April 2013

    Perhaps the person who foolishly started the duplicate should report himself as off topic since duplicates are "banned".   smiley - laugh

    .....and let everyone know which one's the "right" one....

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    Posted by Annie-Lou (U4502268) on Friday, 5th April 2013

    The first thread was a general one about forthcoming foreign series while this one is specific to Arne Dahl and gives the time and date of the first episode. It is not a duplicate.  You mean like you already did in Msg 10 of the "wrong" thread?? smiley - laugh

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    Posted by Phil-ap (U13637313) on Friday, 5th April 2013

    The "wrong" thread does not have the time and date in the title. People may use any thread that they like but this is the one specific to Arne Dahl.

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    Posted by Annie-Lou (U4502268) on Friday, 5th April 2013

    Perhaps you could let the powers that be know your decisions about "right" and "wrong" threads, phil. The "wrong" one was the one that came up when I searched "Arne Dahl".(which I understand is what we are meant to do before starting a new thread!)

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    Posted by Phil-ap (U13637313) on Friday, 5th April 2013

    Actually they both come up but in chronological order.

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    Posted by Annie-Lou (U4502268) on Friday, 5th April 2013

    Oh well, obviously I'd have scrolled down to find the "right" thread if only I hadn't somehow managed to miss the notice on the first entry which said "this may look like a thread about Arne Dahl, but DON'T post here, because Phil's decided its the WRONG one, even though he started it" smiley - doh

    (I also managed to miss the change of rules that said threads must have the time and date in the title. smiley - doh)

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    Posted by Polemicist (U14349342) on Friday, 5th April 2013

    Yet another Scandinavian televison thriller and foreign language import that has been acquired by the BBC.

    Is it actually a case of if you purchase three in advance (The Killing, Borgen and The Bridge), then you get the fourth one absolutely free?

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    Posted by Polemicist (U14349342) on Saturday, 6th April 2013

    You always use to say that you didn't actually like these imported mini drama series as apparently you couldn't really relate to them, since they were set in a foreign country.

    Instead you use to always promote home produced television programmes instead.

    Have you now changed your tune Phil-ap?

    smiley - whistle smiley - winkeye

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    Posted by Ziggy (U14268308) on Saturday, 6th April 2013

    Looking forward to it. Also worth watching is Coralino (sorry if I got the spelling wrong) on Sky Arts. I was also told that The Grand Hotel (Spanish) which has just started is excellent. In comparison to the Beeb´s The Village which just shows everyone so "clean".

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    Posted by donkey_gsy (U15676788) on Saturday, 6th April 2013

    Yet another Scandinavian televison thriller and foreign language import that has been acquired by the BBC.

    Is it actually a case of if you purchase three in advance (The Killing, Borgen and The Bridge), then you get the fourth one absolutely free? 
    Don't worry Libertarian, us Scandi-drama lovers have now been consigned to the backwaters of BBC4 thanks to the mighty BBC's ludicrous decision to replace the BBC HD channel with BBC2 HD.

    So tonight, instead of enjoying some original, quality drama which can make best use of the format, you can enjoy watching QI and repeats of Dad's Army and Carry On in glorious High Definition, or in the case of the latter two, upscaled and stretched a bit to fit.

    I don't know about getting the import for free, but presumably they got it on the cheap by only taking the SD version. Progress such as this clearly shows the good old Beeb know what is best for us licence payers and Saturday night TV.

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    Posted by Phil-ap (U13637313) on Saturday, 6th April 2013

    You always use to say that you didn't actually like these imported mini drama series as apparently you couldn't really relate to them, since they were set in a foreign country.

    Instead you use to always promote home produced television programmes instead.

    Have you now changed your tune Phil-ap?

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    That's absolute nonsense. I remember watching two Wallanders, two Montalbanos and two Maigrets way back in 2007/8 and when the Swedish Wallander series started I began the Wallander thread which is still running today. My favourite though is Spiral which I have been watching since 2005 and my least favourite Montalbano which I have given up on.

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    Posted by Phil-ap (U13637313) on Saturday, 6th April 2013

    It's not absolute nonsense at all.

    When the BBC lost the screening rights to broadcast the fifth series of Mad Men you actually typed something on here to that effect.

    It just epitomises that there is fairly little consistency on what you say on this POV messageboard, especially if it criticises your sycophantic support for the BBC.  
    I am a great fan of Mad Men and have bought season 5 on DVD so I haven't got a clue what you are talking about. I will admit to a bias towards the BBC but its not uncritical.
    I must say that I would much rather talk about the progammes than respond to personal attacks on me.

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    Posted by Johnnymol (U14690244) on Saturday, 6th April 2013

    I'm enjoying this cop drama from Sweden, but it certainly not what I call Scandi-noir in the sense of previous Scandi outings - In fact with all it's heavy character based cliché's and wobbly camera techniques it has all the hallmarks of a British cop drama.
    (It was all a bit like the Professionals in places, but still watchable)

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    Posted by Guv-nor (U7476305) on Saturday, 6th April 2013

    Looking forward to part 2 next week.

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    Posted by mirandashell (U1946590) on Saturday, 6th April 2013

    For me, it started out fairly meh. It was fairly generic: the maverick cop with the marriage problems, the group of disparate personalities brought together and not liking each other. So far, so what. But then it did get interesting. A few things that piqued my interest so I'll give it another go.

    The most interesting character was the cleaner. A real 'WTH?' moment.

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    Posted by AmosBurke (U8229185) on Saturday, 6th April 2013

    "You were Mr Sweden" smiley - laugh Actually he was Worlds Strongest Man and has many titles to his name.

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    Posted by U15636942 (U15636942) on Saturday, 6th April 2013

    Very satisfying. Intriguingly-complex characters, thrown together, I'm looking forward to seeing how this develops.

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    Posted by Sandstrom (U14413284) on Saturday, 6th April 2013

    Kept my attention, so more next week.

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    Posted by Mean Disposition (U14195524) on Saturday, 6th April 2013

    I will watch it, but it's going to annoy me if they all put themselves into extreme danger like the old guy or lose control and assault their quarries at the drop of a hat.
    And since when did whole gangs of criminals bother to lure a detective to a place to find out what he knows?

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    Posted by Johnnymol (U14690244) on Saturday, 6th April 2013

    Watchable, but not one of Swedens best.

    PS
    Why do TV directors always assume all Russian Mafia dress in black - Must be a shop just selling black clothes

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    Posted by Phil-ap (U13637313) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    I think that it is becoming clear that just because a progamme has subtitles on it it doesn't make it top class TV. Arne Dahl is watchable but not exceptional. Spiral for me is still pick of the bunch followed by The Bridge with Borgen some way behind.

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    Posted by goodhelenstar (U13943062) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    I'd better make sure I use the correct thread otherwise I'll get told off! Yes, I'm sure this is it. Phew.

    Well, it had to happen - Scandi crime drama does have feet of clay. A serial killer is on the loose so what do they do? Use their MIT team? No, they allow a senior police officer to assemble a bunch of misfits all with 'issues' from different parts of the country who therefore don't already know each other and have instantly to bond as a team. We have one who is trigger-happy and under suspension, another who is a terrible snob, a third who is seriously unfit and follows a criminal by himself into a deserted warehouse in a strange country. (How many deserted warehouses have featured in crime dramas? There must be a real business opportunity there.) They go on a stakeout in an unmarked van which they park right in front of the supposed target's house. And then it wasn't him after all. Dear oh dear.

    The cliffhanger was horrible - and what was Chablis-drinker (I haven't worked out everyone's name yet, sorry) doing singing in his local choir when he should be chasing murderers? The symbolism of the Lachrymosa being sung while Viggo was being crucified was crude and unpleasant.

    So far I think it's a load of rubbish but will tune in next week to find out what happens to Viggo. Given that no one knows where he is, I don't rate his chances of survival very high, unless they're able to trace him by his phone perhaps.

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    Posted by Annie-Lou (U4502268) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    I also thought it was pretty standard fayre.

    Dingy offices, serial killer, liberal guilt, dysfunctional home lives, clashing personalities, tough female coppers, Russian mafia, Internal Affairs on their backs.............

    They've opened the Euro-crime toy box and brought out all the well-worn pieces for one more game. Not bad, just not very original.

    I think the Euro-crime phenomena may have peaked.


    (And well done for getting it right there Helen! Wouldn't want to get detention!! smiley - laugh)

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    Posted by Johnnymol (U14690244) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    I think that it is becoming clear that just because a progamme has subtitles on it it doesn't make it top class TV. Arne Dahl is watchable but not exceptional. Spiral for me is still pick of the bunch followed by The Bridge with Borgen some way behind.  Never watched Spiral so can't comment, but I certainly agree The Bridge wiped the floor with Arne Dahl, and even Borgen (which improved series 2) was better.

    While it was watchable, the problem with this opening episode was that it was no different from non Scandi drama's and apart from the sub-titles it could have been filmed anywhere, and the characters were your general run of the mill characters from policemen with chips on their shoulders and family problems to your black suited Russian Mafia

    Surely Europe has some better stuff out there

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    Posted by Vic_Tree (U10032721) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    I was looking forward to watching this, but was so disappointed to discover that this drama series, along with the vast majority of others at the moment, suffers from a chronic case of wobble-cam. An effect which I hate with a vengeance.
    Stopped watching after the first episode.

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    Posted by oldmanriver (U14455170) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    Have to agree Annie - Lou - okay but nothing special. On the plus side at least these dramas are prepared to have older women in them in positions of real power.

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    Posted by Phil-ap (U13637313) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    Have to agree Annie - Lou - okay but nothing special. On the plus side at least these dramas are prepared to have older women in them in positions of real power.  The problem is that all of them do presumably to attract the female viewer.

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    Posted by Essential Rabbit (U3613943) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    I quite enjoyed it.
    Not gripping like The Killing or The Bridge, but a workmanlike police procedural.
    Still the only thing worth watching on a Saturday night.
    An angstfree lead is a novelty.

    The best moment was the surreal bit with the cleaner and the board.

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    Posted by goodhelenstar (U13943062) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    An angstfree lead is a novelty.

    The best moment was the surreal bit with the cleaner and the board. 
    That's true, though she's more like Wallander's boss than Wallander himself - she hasn't really done much other than throw her weight around to get Paul (temporarily) off his suspension. And she sat in the front in the van.

    I'd forgotten the moment with the cleaner - do you think that was a mistake?

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    Posted by Amarantha (U14743209) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    In reply to Sploink on one of the "wrong" threads: it kills you by suffocation. You Have to haul yourself up each time you need to take a breath. If there is nothing to rest your feet on so that you can get the leverage to haul yourself up, you die quickly. If there is, then you last until you are too exhausted to haul yourself up. So he might be found in time, or he might not,- but he did not appear to be moving. Either way, I thought it was in extremely poor taste.

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    Posted by Huckerback (U14411634) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    I was looking forward to watching this, but was so disappointed to discover that this drama series, along with the vast majority of others at the moment, suffers from a chronic case of wobble-cam.  Yes smiley - ok, I found the drama rather average, and the appalling wobble-cam work has discouraged me from sticking with it.

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    Posted by Sploink (U9993613) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    In reply to Sploink on one of the "wrong" threads: it kills you by suffocation. You Have to haul yourself up each time you need to take a breath. If there is nothing to rest your feet on so that you can get the leverage to haul yourself up, you die quickly. If there is, then you last until you are too exhausted to haul yourself up. So he might be found in time, or he might not,- but he did not appear to be moving. Either way, I thought it was in extremely poor taste.  That's how classic crucifixion works, Amarantha - but he was shown as definitely having his feet firmly on the ground. And even in classic crucifixion the arms would have to be tied to the cross posts or nailed at the wrists to stop the hands pulling away from the nails. No - not thought through.

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    Posted by oldmanriver (U14455170) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    Have to agree Annie - Lou - okay but nothing special. On the plus side at least these dramas are prepared to have older women in them in positions of real power.  The problem is that all of them do presumably to attract the female viewer.  Nothing to do with attracting the female viewer but more to do with the standards of equality. ITV too has a history of using female detectives - from the classic Marple, through to Scott and Bailey and, the very popular Vera.

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    Posted by Johnnymol (U14690244) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    Have to agree Annie - Lou - okay but nothing special. On the plus side at least these dramas are prepared to have older women in them in positions of real power.  The problem is that all of them do presumably to attract the female viewer.  Nothing to do with attracting the female viewer but more to do with the standards of equality. ITV too has a history of using female detectives - from the classic Marple, through to Scott and Bailey and, the very popular Vera.  BBC also has a long history of strong female roles not just in detective series

    Miss Marple - Joan Hickson Series
    Call the Midwife
    No1 Detective Agency
    Silent Witness
    New Tricks
    Prisoners Wives
    Sarah Jane Adventures
    Mistresses

    and many many more

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    Posted by Grounded Griselda (U14326837) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    An angstfree lead is a novelty.

    The best moment was the surreal bit with the cleaner and the board. 
    That's true, though she's more like Wallander's boss than Wallander himself - she hasn't really done much other than throw her weight around to get Paul (temporarily) off his suspension. And she sat in the front in the van.

    I'd forgotten the moment with the cleaner - do you think that was a mistake? 

    It was nice to see a woman boss, but does she never change her clothes? She had the same trousers and black shirt on all the time.

    The cleaner was a bit weird, and unless he has a magic cloth, then I think he might be a figment of Chavez's imagination. Perhaps Chavez was so tired he was hallucinating, or he's on drugs of some sort (which could explain his outburst with the booze chap and his subsequent discussion with Mr Sweden)

    It was OK but not outstanding - I'll probably watch the next one to see what happens to Viggo.

    Off to look at the 'wrong' thread now and see what's on theresmiley - smiley

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    Posted by Amarantha (U14743209) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    In reply to Sploink on one of the "wrong" threads: it kills you by suffocation. You Have to haul yourself up each time you need to take a breath. If there is nothing to rest your feet on so that you can get the leverage to haul yourself up, you die quickly. If there is, then you last until you are too exhausted to haul yourself up. So he might be found in time, or he might not,- but he did not appear to be moving. Either way, I thought it was in extremely poor taste.  That's how classic crucifixion works, Amarantha - but he was shown as definitely having his feet firmly on the ground. And even in classic crucifixion the arms would have to be tied to the cross posts or nailed at the wrists to stop the hands pulling away from the nails. No - not thought through.   Have to say that I did not look too closely. I looked away. Too gory for me. Perhaps he is still alive then.




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    Posted by Johnnymol (U14690244) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    If some people didn't like The Village because it was supposedly grim......I wonder what they think of this Swedish offering - Not exactly a barrel of laughs

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    Posted by oldmanriver (U14455170) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    But I was referring to detective series. Of those you have given
    Joan Hickson - brilliant portrayal
    No 1 detective agency - really enjoyed - more please
    Silent Witnesses - become too ridiculous for words and the head of the unit is male.
    New Tricks - yes - she is in charge.

    As to the others you mention - wouldn't dream of watching.

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    Posted by oldmanriver (U14455170) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    Grim in terms of content too - but the footage showed some wonderful architecture in both Sweden and Tallinn, wheras that in Hayfield is grey and drab - believe me! - and that is on a sunny day.

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    Posted by Johnnymol (U14690244) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    Grim in terms of content too - but the footage showed some wonderful architecture in both Sweden and Tallinn, wheras that in Hayfield is grey and drab - believe me! - and that is on a sunny day.  Wonderful architecture in Sweden and Tallinn smiley - laugh

    And I certainly wouldn't swap it for Derbyshire - But of course if you prefer Tallinn docks and IKEA architecture to natural stone (or a very grim concrete roof garden in Tallinn in what looked like the middle of November)

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    Posted by FirstClassMaleUK (U15658867) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    I was reading through the replies, whilst in my head, imagining my response with the intention of listing my favourite subtitled detective fiction in order of preference. I quickly realised, that to do that, would be as daft as to compare Scooby Doo with The Sweeney, just because the are both English language. I enjoy The Killing for the suspense, whilst Montalbano gives a level of humour long since eclipsed by "slick" modern detective drama.

    In my naivety, I saw the lead up to broadcast of Arne Dahl, as a fly on the wall documentary. Well I didn't know the spelling of Manchester's shopping mall smiley - blush

    When I did start to watch, I found it engaging from the off. Good pace in an opening episode, that could easily have become lost in simply introducing characters. The hour and a half went quickly, building to a piece which, although slightly cliched, will have lots tuning in for the second part.

    I appreciate people may say it is formulaic; the fact is, detective drama only has a certain amount of plot devices that can be used. A misfit of characters allows more than endless plodding (no pun intended) which would be a realistic portrayal of police. Ask the countless young Americans who joined the navy after watching Top Gun, only finding out the reality, when it was too late.

    Last year, a Radio4 series explored crime fiction. It featured the female detective, as mentioned by other posters. It told that Sara Lund could never have been possible without Jane Tennison. It also looked at Scandinavian fiction, those behind which, acknowledged the influence of British detectives. To that end, there will be some similarities, without being direct copies.

    For me, humour is an important factor in drama. Far too many creators seem to think that laying on heavy scene after scene creates suspense, quite the contrary. Balancing graphic scenes with lighter ones both saves the reader/viewer from falling in a miserable heap. In Arne Dahl, we have the quirky characters interacting in more that just heavy confrontational dialogue. One who leaves one of his children at the side of the road (I wonder if the writer was influenced by old Charlie Chan in this) whilst the character of The Cleaner, is not only surreal, there is humour entwined with disbelief.

    Definitely one to watch for me. The use of some dialogue in English makes the ninety minutes of reading the bottom of the screen a little easier too.

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    Posted by Annie-Lou (U4502268) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    Naturally I wasn't suggesting that female detectives are exclusive to the BBC4 Sat 9pm slot, only that we have now become all too familiar with a cast of stock Euro-crime characters such as the angst-ridden lead (can be male or female) the tough, no-nonsense boss (quite often female) and the vulnerable rookie (almost always female) who usually ends up as a hostage.

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    Posted by Polemicist (U14349342) on Sunday, 7th April 2013

    Yet another Scandivnavian detective thriller that with all the advance publicity has been incredibly over-hyped from the onset.

    As per usual for a late Saturday evening there was absolutely nothing else on any other television channel actually worth watching, so I thought I would at least give it a go.

    Overall I thought it was fairly satisfactory, but as the likes of The Killing have already set the bar so very high for this type of police / detective, foreign language, thriller series, I am not surprised that I wasn't overwhelmed by it.

    Arne Dahl also looked very heavily influenced by all the other, numerous, American cop / detective shows that frequently appear on many other television channels. I'm rather surprised that we didn't have the normal, obligatory car chase sequence in it.

    On the positive side this was only the first instalment, so I suppose it is far too early to start completely writing it off altogether. It was, however, nowhere near as good as the far, far superior ITV Broadchurch series.

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