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America's gun addiction, Panorama BBC1

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    Posted by Jelliss (U14666069) on Monday, 11th March 2013

    Nice hatchet job on people with mental health problems, BBC. Well done. Next time, try to get your facts right please.

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    Posted by madauntydawn (U6675998) on Monday, 11th March 2013

    I didn't see it as a hatchet job Jelliss.

    I thought it was a well presented, though tragic, documentary.

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    Posted by Turner (U14992668) on Monday, 11th March 2013

    Couldn't agree more Jelliss. We (or rather, the US) seem to have moved from "guns don't kill people, people do" to "guns don't kill people, mental people do". Sorry, but that's just hypocritical NRA-sponsored scapegoating.

    There's no evidence whatsoever that there is a real correlation between violence and recognised mental illness, either of cognitive or emotional deficits (in fact often those conditions militates against it - you need to be pretty rational, methodical and disciplined to carry out such planned and a calculated acts like Newtown).

    When is America going to wake up and smell the coffee? It's not a small section of society conveniently branded as 'sick' that is the problem, it's the society *itself*. The incidence of mental illness in the US is similar to that of most of Europe, but the murder rate is several times higher. Why? Simple, gun ownership and a society seemingly completely unable to tolerate and that therefore pathologises individuals that are slightly out of the norm or 'different'.

    I would have expected a programme like Panorama to recognise this, instead of falling into the usual facile arguments of cheap propaganda and cliche'.

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    Posted by bootjangler (U880875) on Monday, 11th March 2013

    The incidence of mental illness in the US is similar to that of most of Europe, but the murder rate is several times higher. Why? Simple, gun ownership and a society seemingly completely unable to tolerate and that therefore pathologises individuals that are slightly out of the norm or 'different'. 

    Surely, you are arguing for the motion.

    Gun ownership + mental illness = trouble.
    That's what you've said.

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    Posted by Turner (U14992668) on Monday, 11th March 2013

    No, what I said is: gun ownership + disaffected young men rejected by society/social and economic inequality/social cohesion/ignorance = high murder rates. Let's not forget that beside the notorious Newtown/Columbine et all, many more, thousands and thousands of people die in the US ever year through crime gangs and gun-related accidents.

    Basically you have two choices: do something about the disaffected young men rejected by society/inequality/social cohesion/ignorance, or take the guns out of the equation. And since the latter is by far the quickest, easiest and most logical measure to take, I don't understand how anybody could argue against it, which is not to say America shouldn't, sooner rather than later, address the other issues too.
    But then this is America we're talking about.

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    Posted by briggsy2 (U1288489) on Tuesday, 12th March 2013

    Aren't they arming teachers in high schools now in parts of the US? The argument being that the more people with guns the easier and quicker it will be to put a swift end to the shootings when they inevitably occur in the future. Not sure I understand the logic there personally.

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    Posted by Polemicist (U14349342) ** on Tuesday, 12th March 2013

    I just couldn't believe the video clip when Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the NRA, actually said, "The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

    He then went on to say that,"If it's crazy to call for putting police and armed security in our schools to protect our children, then call me crazy. I think the American people believe it's crazy not to do it. It's the one thing that would keep people safe."

    Satirical comedy writer's must just really dream of moments just like this. Haven't any of these trigger happy, red neck yanks ever heard of the proverb "violence breeds violence".

    It's also hardly surprising that the USA is still actively engaged in two armed conflicts, Iraq and Afghanistan, when apparently a third of its population is so completely obsessed with its gun culture and Second Amendment, the right to bear arms.

    If you can't even get the domestic policy right at home, then what hope will their ever be in having either a sensible or a logical foreign policy?

    www.guardian.co.uk/t...

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    Posted by Prophet Tenebrae (U5995226) on Tuesday, 12th March 2013

    Satirical comedy writer's must just really dream of moments just like this. Haven't any of these trigger happy, red neck yanks ever heard of the proverb "violence breeds violence". 
    Actually, I think they hate it.

    George Bush pretty much killed political satire for his two terms because much of what he said was in and of itself so inherently ridiculous that there's just nothing to satirise.

    This is true of much of what the NRA has said since Sandy Hook. About the only thing you could suggest is that you give all the kids handguns to make the situation more like something out of a satire.

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