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Newsnight (Scotland) debacle.

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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by BrightYangThing (U14627705) on Tuesday, 5th March 2013

    I know I am banging my head against a brick wall, the hand ain't listening and no one in the BBC is bovvered, but . . .

    I am getting fed up with Newsnight (national) being scrapped in favour of a full on Scottish 50 minutes - especially when it is a minority story of a bloke in a frock touching another bloke in a frocks leg.

    Yes I have the great good fortune of being Non Scottish but living in Scotland. But my interest in world affairs goes way beyond these borders.

    I can watch the national programme on satellite or iplayer but why not a red button choice.

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Tuesday, 5th March 2013


    Hi BrightYangThing

    I'm sorry to hear that you don't like Newsnight Scotland being broadcast in Scotland.

    I'm not convinced that there would be the demand to simultaneously make the national Newsnight version available to viewers in Scotland via Red Button.

    As you quite rightly say, you can still watch the national version of Newsnight via satellite and iPlayer, so you're not being excluded from the national programme.

    I can see that this is very frustrating to you, but others living in Scotland might not have the same problem with the local programme.

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    Posted by BrightYangThing (U14627705) on Tuesday, 5th March 2013

    Oh you do love to twist things don't you Peta? Or do you simply not actually understand? Do you think the tone of your response is potentailly moddable? I do. There are some posters I expected this from, but not hosts.

    NNS has a regular slot from 11:00 and I can choose whether to watch it (which I often do) or switch to BBC London on satellite. The regions do not have split broadcasts, they have regional programmes where appropriate. It is only NN and The Politics Show on Sunday that breaks away part way through a national/international debate to a regional one. I do wonder whose decisions this is - and what it's justification. Why not make and schedule separate programmes.

    What I object to is an unannounced swiping of the first 30 minutes of NN for a non story to even most scots.

    Who makes these decisions. Can they be justified by ratings or relevance?

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    Posted by goodhelenstar (U13943062) on Tuesday, 5th March 2013

    This is a comment on regional news programmes generally, isn't it? (As long as the BBC covers the whole of the UK, Scotland will be regarded as a region for programming purposes, as Wales and N Ireland are.) They form a very small part of news coverage and are of local interest. I didn't see this programme but am surprised if it wasn't shown nationally as the topic surely is extremely significant to a wider viewing public than Scotland.

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Tuesday, 5th March 2013


    Hi BrightYangThing

    I'm not trying to wind you up! smiley - doh How could you think that? I wouldn't do that you know. smiley - sadface

    BBC Scotland has its own remit set by the BBC Trust.

    Here's a link to it

    www.bbc.co.uk/aboutt...

    And here's an extract

    BBC One Scotland Programme Policy 2010/2011
    Service remit

    The remit of BBC One Scotland is to complement the networked BBC One schedule by providing mixed-genre programmes appealing to mainstream Scottish audiences which displace or replace content otherwise available on BBC One.

    The service should provide Scottish viewers with programmes that reflect and support Scottish culture, identity and heritage, and it should be the BBC's primary outlet for television coverage of major Scottish events.

    Director's vision for the service in 2010/2011

    BBC One Scotland is the home of a broad range of distinctive, popular programming produced for Scottish audiences, to complement and enrich the network schedule with content of specific relevance and interest to viewers in Scotland. As well as providing the majority of televised news and current affairs for viewers in Scotland, BBC One Scotland also carries live sport, the continuing drama River City and comedy along with engaging popular factual programmes.

    The station will continue to offer content that reaches out to the increasingly diverse communities of Scotland, reflecting the country's cultural heritage and capturing contemporary issues of topical social interest.

    BBC Scotland's outstanding news teams will continue to improve the news and current affairs programme offerings to viewers, across channels and broadcast platforms. There will be in-depth coverage offered of major stories and every effort made to nurture new reporting talent. Business and international news and sports coverage will also feature prominently during this Commonwealth Games year.

    In a General Election year, the channel will offer high-quality and extensive coverage of the issues and candidates across the period of the election, with an online text service offering minute-by-minute updates during the campaign and, on the night, a live results programme. A number of special televised documentaries will also act as a platform to launch wider public debate.

    Ken MacQuarrie, Director, BBC Scotland
     


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  • Message 6

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Tuesday, 5th March 2013


    Now the episode that you appear to be objecting to (correct me if I'm wrong) is this one

    Guests discuss the future of the church in Scotland after Cardinal O'Brien's resignation.

    www.bbc.co.uk/progra...

    These are probably the most relevant quotes from the remit.

    The station will continue to offer content that reaches out to the increasingly diverse communities of Scotland, reflecting the country's cultural heritage and capturing contemporary issues of topical social interest.  

    The service should provide Scottish viewers with programmes that reflect and support Scottish culture, identity and heritage, and it should be the BBC's primary outlet for television coverage of major Scottish events.  

    So, I'd think from looking at the programme's content and the remit, that BBC Scotland felt that they were fulfilling their remit. The programme was specifically about the future of the Church of Scotland.

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    Posted by Thuban (U8349152) on Tuesday, 5th March 2013

    Yes well, plenty of others DO have the same problem with the local programme and habitually switch over to Newsnight (England) as soon as they clap eyes on Gordon Brewer, possibly the most irritating interviewer on BBC Scotland, which is saying something.

    He's a man who takes forever to ask a question, or rather several questions all at once. Pity the poor victim who is given no time to answer before meladdo adds another bit, and another, to his already convoluted question.

    Currently BBC Scotland news appears to think there is nothing else worthy of notice other than the current travails of the Catholic Church. Well, I've got news for them ... there are very many people (outside Glasgow ... yes, we do exist), who have no interest in the subject at all and resent the whole of yesterday's Newsnight Scotland being given over to that subject.

    Rant over, thank you.

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    Posted by BrightYangThing (U14627705) on Tuesday, 5th March 2013

    According to 2001 census 17% of the population of Scotland claim to be Catholic. I'd call that a very small minority interest. It's just slightly higher than the number of non Scots nationals resident in Scotland claimed at close to 13% in the same period and almost certainly higher now.

    And one that could and should have been covered in the usual slot without the need to hijack the network from the national broadcast.

    It calls into question who holds the power and decision making on what they think we should be interested in - what a majority want or need to know.

    If Cardinal O'Brien's misdemeanour's call into question the Church in Scotland (not just the Catholic church) then it surely calls into question the church in Britain. Why not a much wider perspective then. Or why not a special religious programme to debate it? Probably because there isn't one. Probably because too few people are actively engaged in the organised religious life.

    Sorry, but I am really angry about this. It looks like a political decision and it shouldn't be.








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  • Message 9

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Tuesday, 5th March 2013

    The best thing to do would be to make an official complaint about it, explaining exactly why you had a problem with the programme.

    www.bbc.co.uk/compla...

    Feel free to come back and let us know the response when you have it.

    The topic does honestly seem to be relevant to the Scotland broadcast channel, and does seem to fall within the remit that has been set out for them by the Trust - but it may well be covered in other programmes on a national level too. - I know that it's been discussed extensively on National BBC News.




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  • Message 10

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    Posted by technologist (U1259929) on Tuesday, 5th March 2013

    Bright YAng thing - have you got HD??

    because at the end of the month BBC HD becomes BBC2 HD which is a UK wide signal-so has Newsnight from London
    - so that you can see this as well as BBC 2 Scotland (in SD) which will do its own News night as it does now.

    So those in the Celtic nations will see BBC one (Nation) in SD and HD simulcast
    BBC two (nation) in SD as now
    and BBC two HD ....which is the UK wide english simulcast .

    Actually as BBC HD carries the London Newsnight (as it has since it move to W1 and is in HD) so you can see it tonight!

    Freeview HD boxes are as Cheap as £25 -£30 in a supermarket .....
    Free-sat HD a bit more .....

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    Posted by QE (U15612083) on Tuesday, 5th March 2013

    Firstly, congratulations for getting such a prompt response from Peta!

    Men in frocks aside, Newsnight Scotland generally consists of parochial trivia introduced by the dourest presenters on the box. Switching off and going to bed is the preferred option in our household.

    Just think of the televisual joys we'll have to look forward to after independence when the BBC signal is cut off at the border and BBC Scotland, reborn as SBC, produces all of our programmes!

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by Bidie-In (U2747062) on Tuesday, 5th March 2013

    Have to admit I was dreading us Scots missing the 1000th Question of Sport in favour of hastily cobbled together programme about the Cardinal. I was thankful when I heard a special newsnight was to be shown at 10.30.

    But, in the same way that the media seeks the views of the church on topics from wars and poverty (ignoring their own massive wealth) to gay marriage and same sex couples adopting, there is a strange dated mindset that seems to think this antiquated organisation still has power and relevance over the lives of the ordinary masses.

    Wrong!

    Church attendance is down to something like 6% of the population. Should such a minority really be given special programmes for their latest embarassing incident?

    More Scots are interested in the possible mating of our smiley - panda smiley - panda than in the latest wrong doing in the church.

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by IzzyR (U6660949) on Tuesday, 5th March 2013

    Have to admit I was dreading us Scots missing the 1000th Question of Sport in favour of hastily cobbled together programme about the Cardinal. I was thankful when I heard a special newsnight was to be shown at 10.30.

    But, in the same way that the media seeks the views of the church on topics from wars and poverty (ignoring their own massive wealth) to gay marriage and same sex couples adopting, there is a strange dated mindset that seems to think this antiquated organisation still has power and relevance over the lives of the ordinary masses.

    Wrong!

    Church attendance is down to something like 6% of the population. Should such a minority really be given special programmes for their latest embarassing incident?

    More Scots are interested in the possible mating of our smiley - panda smiley - panda than in the latest wrong doing in the church. 
    I second that, Bidie. I'm sick to death of hearing about this man, and indeed any religion. It's of no interest to me whatsoever. I stopped believing in Santa years ago, as I did any other mythical creature.

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by dayraven (U13717520) on Tuesday, 5th March 2013

    According to 2001 census 17% of the population of Scotland claim to be Catholic. I'd call that a very small minority interest. 
    One in six people. That's a higher proportion than watches almost any given TV programme (yes, I know that's a bit of an odd comparison).

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    Posted by Reservoir Hamster (U14288323) on Tuesday, 5th March 2013

    The rational solution would be that the whole of Newsnight is broadcast to the whole of the UK and then regional programmes of 20 mins or so devoted to the politics and current affairs of whatever individual region you happen to live in.

    But I think the fly in the ointment is the attitude of BBC journalists in Scotland. They see themselves as on a par with the national journalists. If they could get away with it, they would present Scotland with their own international news programmes at 6 and 10. They would cut out London altogether.

    The importance of the Cardinal O'Brien story or the qualities of Gordon Brewer are not really relevant here. It is the fact that viewers in Scotland are missing out on parts and sometimes the whole of Newsnight. Too often the story on Newsnight is an important national or international story and the story on Newsnight Scotland is a parochial storm in a teacup. We feel cheated. I agree with BrightYangThing.

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by brora (U14803827) on Tuesday, 5th March 2013

    Peta the Church of Scotland is not Catholic it is Presbyterian - it's like calling the Church of England the Mormons or something.

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Tuesday, 5th March 2013

    smiley - ok brora,

    I didn't say it was Catholic?

    Did someone else?

    What's your general view on all this?

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by Prophet Tenebrae (U5995226) on Tuesday, 5th March 2013

    Newsnight Scotland is a joke.

    I know we're always told by the BBC that it's hard to decide on a news agenda and various "you can't please all of the people, all of the time" platitudes are spouted and hey, guess what? I agree. It's not always easy to know what's going to be the most important story, so it's not as if I'm unsympathetic.

    But every time I have the misfortune of seeing Newsnight Scotland (and I do try my best to avoid it these days - doctor's orders) it's just so insular and parochial. It doesn't exactly help itself with its selection of presenters but really, it's a liability.

    Perhaps it would be better to just give the UK a single Newsnight that doesn't let its focus gravitate inexorably and excessively toward the BBC's happy place - everything within the M25 - and then (as has been suggested) have some more analytical news programmes for regions... preferably without sensibilities that would have been dated by in the 1970s.

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by brora (U14803827) on Wednesday, 6th March 2013

    Peta

    This debate is about Newsnight and the future of the Catholic Church in Scotland and your previous post stated the Church of Scotland which is a different religion:

    "So, I'd think from looking at the programme's content and the remit, that BBC Scotland felt that they were fulfilling their remit. The programme was specifically about the future of the Church of Scotland."

    You asked what my view is on all this - well here goes:

    It appears the Catholic Church is rotten at the core and this particular Cardinal deserves all he gets because of his hypocrisy. Corruption is everywhere - Government, Banks, big business, etc. and I have no doubt this will all blow over shortly until the next scandal comes along. Nothing really changes.

    Like Bidie-in says I am more interested in the Pandas. We are surrounded be doom and gloom and a nice panda baby would be great smiley - smiley

    I don't watch Newsnight - politics and bedtime don't agree with me. I would rather read a book!


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  • Message 20

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Wednesday, 6th March 2013


    Sorry yes, my post should have read the future of the church *in* Scotland. smiley - ok

    Can we do a Newsnight on pandas then? smiley - panda

    Maybe not, just a thought...

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by Bidie-In (U2747062) on Wednesday, 6th March 2013

    Tricky Peta.

    She is only "in the mood" for about half an hour a year, and if that clashes with the footie.....smiley - doh

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by Valdimar the Unending (U15551013) on Wednesday, 6th March 2013

    But, the Scottish footie is on Alba.

    Anyway, if she ever does get in the mood, there is this:

    www.dadsbigplan.com/...

    to take her to the hospital.

    Anyway, going by what is happening at the moment:

    www.edinburghzoo.org...

    it will be a long wait.

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by dave (U2043922) on Wednesday, 6th March 2013


    Hi BrightYangThing

    I'm sorry to hear that you don't like Newsnight Scotland being broadcast in Scotland.

    I'm not convinced that there would be the demand to simultaneously make the national Newsnight version available to viewers in Scotland via Red Button.

    As you quite rightly say, you can still watch the national version of Newsnight via satellite and iPlayer, so you're not being excluded from the national programme.

    I can see that this is very frustrating to you, but others living in Scotland might not have the same problem with the local programme.  
    I didn't know we had to convince you to get things changed smiley - winkeye

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