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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Peta (U24) on Thursday, 10th January 2013

    ITV? C4? Sky1? Discuss programmes from other channels here only!

    - For general 'off-topic' chat with other posters please visit the Green Room.

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    Posted by Anglo-Norman (U1965016) on Thursday, 10th January 2013

    Ooo, shiny!

    Anyone else watch 'Midsomer Murders' last night? It gets ever more bonkers. I do like Neil Dudgeon, but I think they should have ended things when John Nettles left. Still, I suppose if it brings in the viewers... As regards last night, unless I missed something, why didn't the opening sequence match what was described in the resolution? What happened to the mysterious figure with the giant chess piece on their head? (I can't believe I just wrote that). Was whoever it was trying to break into the boy's house just a figment of his imagination? And how can someone look so neat and tidy after a year in captivity - were they getting the occasional trim from their captor?

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    Posted by bethb63 (U13675101) on Thursday, 10th January 2013

    Ooo, shiny!

    Anyone else watch 'Midsomer Murders' last night? It gets ever more bonkers. I do like Neil Dudgeon, but I think they should have ended things when John Nettles left. Still, I suppose if it brings in the viewers... As regards last night, unless I missed something, why didn't the opening sequence match what was described in the resolution? What happened to the mysterious figure with the giant chess piece on their head? (I can't believe I just wrote that). Was whoever it was trying to break into the boy's house just a figment of his imagination? And how can someone look so neat and tidy after a year in captivity - were they getting the occasional trim from their captor?  
    The figure with the chesspiece headdress was Harriet's boyfriend (the one then held captive). Why the helmet? Who knows. No one else had been wearing them at the fete.

    I assumed the mad doctor was banging on chess boy's door to terrorise him into keeping quiet.

    When the happy couple embraced at the end, all I could think of was "Has he showered in the past year? Brushed his teeth?" Ew.

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    Posted by Dame Bouncy Castle (U1358361) on Thursday, 10th January 2013



    Gosh. How lovely. A spanking new thread! smiley - laugh

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    Posted by Sploink (U9993613) on Thursday, 10th January 2013


    I think the boyf was playing some sort of weird practical joke on Harriet. What a twerp! If I'd been her, that would have been my signal to call the elopement off. Really, it was just to give a spooky preface to the ep.

    Anyone watching The New Normal on E4 tonight? I suppose it might be funny. Anyone seen it?


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    Posted by degger (U15476668) on Thursday, 10th January 2013

    I've been enjoying the repeats of The Royal on ITV 3,( right from the beginning ) mainly because it was filmed in my favourite part of the country, Scarborough, but for some reason it has finished today and there are still 12 episodes to show. Does anyone know why ?

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    Posted by deansay (U5811575) on Thursday, 10th January 2013

    Ooo, shiny!

    Anyone else watch 'Midsomer Murders' last night? It gets ever more bonkers. I do like Neil Dudgeon, but I think they should have ended things when John Nettles left.  


    I agree. It's beyond being bonkers, that's why I have given up on it really. The dog Sykes?? is the part of it smiley - biggrin

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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Thursday, 10th January 2013


    posted by Sploink

    Anyone watching The New Normal on E4 tonight? I suppose it might be funny. Anyone seen it?
     


    I've seen every episode. I love it. Ellen Barkin steals every scene she is in.

    The little girl who plays the character Shania is fabulous as well.

    Scottish actress Gorgia King is also very good - and incredible job of accent. smiley - ok


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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Thursday, 10th January 2013

    I've been enjoying the Great Northern Cookbook on Channel 5. Sean Wilson is enthusiastic about the silly items as well as the more serious ones. Very pleasant way to pass an hour.

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    Posted by Nan you are too old to go on Facebook said Tom 19 (U11041817) on Thursday, 10th January 2013

    I've been enjoying the repeats of The Royal on ITV 3,( right from the beginning ) mainly because it was filmed in my favourite part of the country, Scarborough, but for some reason it has finished today and there are still 12 episodes to show. Does anyone know why ?  Probably ITV3 don't even know why. They are a law unto themselves. We always watch Heartbeat and they sonetimes show episodes out of sequence. One had the doctor die one night then the next night she was sitting at the bar in the pub. Another was recently when Rob the new constable arrived, or not actually, was already there one night then arrived on his motorbike the next.

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    Posted by Bob1942 (U1184472) on Friday, 11th January 2013

    Channel 5 Charlie Boorman South African Adventure

    Entertaining first episode but the stop at the Born Free reserve was a little confusing,for those who don't know Born Free was set in Kenya,it would of been interesting to have been told why this reserve is operating in South Africa & not Kenya with all the pictorial references to the film,or is there a similar project in Kenya?

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    Posted by Ceiderduck (U14588518) on Friday, 11th January 2013

    On More4 tomorrow 12th, at 8, Ken Follett's Journey into the Dark Ages:

    www.channel4.com/pro...

    Looking forward to this!

    Just hope World Without End isn't TOO disappointing....

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    Posted by Braid7 (U14813755) on Friday, 11th January 2013

    Anyone watching The New Normal on E4 tonight? I suppose it might be funny. Anyone seen it?  

    In true Ryan Murphy style its not exactly subtle! Whether it be Ellen Barkin's character, the child Shania or just the political and/or social commentary sometimes it can be a bit much.

    However there are many truly funny moments, every episode has numerous (and blindingly sharp) one liners and the cast is great, I love Andrew Rannells so I'm probably bias but his chemistry with Justin Bartha is fantastic.

    I will also say the latest episode guest starring Matt Bomer was IMO the funniest episode yet so it's still improving. I imagine it'll divide people, it's very much a love it or hate it type of show.

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    Posted by Grounded Griselda (U14326837) on Friday, 11th January 2013

    On More4 tomorrow 12th, at 8, Ken Follett's Journey into the Dark Ages:

    www.channel4.com/pro...

    Looking forward to this!

    Just hope World Without End isn't TOO disappointing.... 

    I'll be watching that too and then recording World Without End which is on C4 at 9pm as it clashes with Borgen, and then I can watch it and FF through the ads.

    Is anyone watching the French comedy Hard on Sky Arts1? It's very funny - but not for maiden aunts or those with 'delicate sensibilities' smiley - blush

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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Friday, 11th January 2013

    And for those who are sensitive to such things - in addition to a lot of bigoted remarks (most delivered with expert precision by Ellen Barkin) about gays, liberals, blacks, hispanics, eastern european immigrants, asians, californians, it also features men kissing in most episodes.

    Not much more than a peck - but definate kissing.

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    Posted by Essential Rabbit (U3613943) on Friday, 11th January 2013

    WORLD WITHOUT END
    Saturday, Channel Four.
    Sequel to The Pillars of Earth.
    Worth a go I reckon, but the problem is it's at the same time as Borgen, which I usually record while watching in case of interruption.
    When reading subtitles you can't miss a second without losing the plot.

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    Posted by Geometry_Man (U12739007) on Friday, 11th January 2013

    WORLD WITHOUT END
    Saturday, Channel Four.
    Sequel to The Pillars of Earth.
    Worth a go I reckon, but the problem is it's at the same time as Borgen, which I usually record while watching in case of interruption.
    When reading subtitles you can't miss a second without losing the plot. 

    Yes, I'll be recording both, then there's Match of the Day for a 3-way conflict some of the time.

    I can just about accommodate them but it's a trial - at least one of them will have to be in fuzzy old SD!


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    Posted by the_cleaner (U3423083) on Friday, 11th January 2013

    On More4 tomorrow 12th, at 8, Ken Follett's Journey into the Dark Ages:

    www.channel4.com/pro...

    Looking forward to this!

    Just hope World Without End isn't TOO disappointing.... 

    I'll be watching that too and then recording World Without End which is on C4 at 9pm as it clashes with Borgen, and then I can watch it and FF through the ads.

    Is anyone watching the French comedy Hard on Sky Arts1? It's very funny - but not for maiden aunts or those with 'delicate sensibilities' smiley - blush 
    "Is anyone watching the French comedy Hard on Sky Arts1?"

    I am....smiley - winkeye

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    Posted by Sploink (U9993613) on Friday, 11th January 2013

    I've watched The New Normal (thanks for your input on this, GZ and Braid) I must admit for the first 10 minutes my finger hovered over the delete button, but then there were a few sharp observations and a line that made me laugh and I stayed for the whole prog. Ellen Barkin is deffo the best thing in it, and that's thanks to the way her part is written. Not too sure about the 2 blokes - the one seems as shallow as a puddle, and I feel a tad uncomfortable about someone having a baby as a sort of must-have accessory. But I'd watch it again, though the jury's still out at the moment.

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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Friday, 11th January 2013

    I think they intended it that way.

    Everyone is a cliche' but it still works.

    One of the two guys is very straight acting. A jewish doctor. Very conservative.

    The other guy is the flaming camp guy - all caught up in looks and appearances. Works in the entertainment industry.

    Nene Leakes is the sassy talking, very in your face, powerful head bobbing, finger snapping black woman

    Ellen Barkin is the neocon midwesterner who talks like a KKK member and is genuinely astonished that anyone would find any fault with her polarized viewpoints.

    Shania is the precocious, nerdy, wise beyond her years adolescant.

    Goldie is the loving, somewhat daft single mom who realises that being a surrogate is her quickest route to some real money to create a new future for herself and her daughter.

    But like I said, it all works and ties together because of some great writing and chemistry amongst the cast.

    As soon as you see the scene in the first episode where Ellen Barkin sees NeNe Leakes in the loo of the gay guys house and asks

    "Are you allowed to use that?"

    You know its no holds barred and the PC book is right out the window.

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    Posted by Going_once (U14931925) on Friday, 11th January 2013

    Ray Mears Wild Britain - tonight stunning pictures of a stoat carrying a dead rat, crested newts, red squirrels and the highlight for me (smile time) - the sheer delight on Ray's face turning to the camera as he sits within spitting distance of four badgers out in daylight. As he said, he doesn't know why people go abroad to watch animals when we have such wonderful wildlife at home.

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    Posted by Sploink (U9993613) on Friday, 11th January 2013

    I think they intended it that way.

    Everyone is a cliche' but it still works.

    One of the two guys is very straight acting. A jewish doctor. Very conservative.

    The other guy is the flaming camp guy - all caught up in looks and appearances. Works in the entertainment industry.

    Nene Leakes is the sassy talking, very in your face, powerful head bobbing, finger snapping black woman

    Ellen Barkin is the neocon midwesterner who talks like a KKK member and is genuinely astonished that anyone would find any fault with her polarized viewpoints.

    Shania is the precocious, nerdy, wise beyond her years adolescant.

    Goldie is the loving, somewhat daft single mom who realises that being a surrogate is her quickest route to some real money to create a new future for herself and her daughter.

    But like I said, it all works and ties together because of some great writing and chemistry amongst the cast.

    As soon as you see the scene in the first episode where Ellen Barkin sees NeNe Leakes in the loo of the gay guys house and asks

    "Are you allowed to use that?"

    You know its no holds barred and the PC book is right out the window.  
    Only trouble is, this sort of comedy IS the new normal, so if they're trying to shock they're too late in the day - this sort of thing has already been tackled - notably on Modern Family.

    Still, I can't get Modern family (saw some of it on a Sky taster session), so I'm glad this at least is on Freeview. I think it'll need a few eps to get into it.

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    Posted by Essential Rabbit (U3613943) on Friday, 11th January 2013

    I agree about the stunning images, but was damned annoyed about the sound.

    Why play a natural background track, including birds singing, then drown it out with plinky plonk music?

    At one point we saw a wren singing, and almost heard it, but for the damned musak.

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    Posted by Geometry_Man (U12739007) on Saturday, 12th January 2013

    Ray Mears Wild Britain - tonight stunning pictures of a stoat carrying a dead rat, crested newts, red squirrels and the highlight for me (smile time) - the sheer delight on Ray's face turning to the camera as he sits within spitting distance of four badgers out in daylight. As he said, he doesn't know why people go abroad to watch animals when we have such wonderful wildlife at home.  
    Yes, this Ray Mears was a good one - considerably better than the previous week's I thought.

    As I found with the last series, how much he feels for the subject of the week seems to show through, so the episodes vary quite a lot.

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    Posted by briggsy2 (U1288489) on Saturday, 12th January 2013

    Anyone know why the fastext service on ITV and Channel4 has been done away with?

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    Posted by Michael Enright (U1588035) on Sunday, 13th January 2013

    he doesn't know why people go abroad to watch animals when we have such wonderful wildlife at home.   I quite agree with him, but most of us have to buy our own Gortex, and it's also invariable cheaper to holiday abroad. smiley - sadface

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    Posted by Michael Enright (U1588035) on Sunday, 13th January 2013

    Anyone know why the fastext service on ITV and Channel4 has been done away with?  Internet access ( which the majority of viewers now have ) can provide more information, and digital bandwidth ( the gain is smaller than input ).

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    Posted by The man who sailed around his soul (U5846227) on Monday, 14th January 2013

    Anyone with anything good to say about 'World Without End'?

    Ah.

    I know some posters have commented on the old thread about what a lot of tripe it was but in line with Peta's request, I'm posting here instead.

    Really enjoyed Pillars of the Earth and hoped to be gripped by this series too but whereas in our home POTE was unmissable, WWE is unwatchable.

    Comedy in the form of the dung poultice medic, of course, but was there any character interesting or likeable enough (or even as horrible as Ian McShane's in Pillars) to make me want to see what happens next week? Sadly, no.

    I can't comment on the historical inaccuracies, which are apparently glaring, but I'm happy to overlook that in the telling of a good yarn.

    My one hope was that Indira Varma might have a prominent role but it looks as though that one bit the dust, or hit the water, after the 'well, we never saw that one coming' bridge collapse.

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    Posted by grannycool (U14401044) on Monday, 14th January 2013


    Hi 'leavingmybody...'

    I'll probably give WWE another week or two before writing it off, I loved the book and sometimes find characters on screen don't match up to my imagination!

    Pillars was good, but again it took me a couple of episodes before I started to enjoy it.
    Lots of blood and gore which always puts me off but I'm not bothered by historical facts being accurate - it is fiction after all.

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    Posted by AmosBurke (U8229185) on Monday, 14th January 2013

    I wouldn't say WWE is unwatchable. It's not as engaging as POTE but it's a lot more interesting than the program it replaced (IMO).

    I am loving the original and the best Hawaii Five-O which is on Freesat (CBS-Action) at the mo. These are the syndicated prints, so they are slightly cut but nothing that you would notice. Thankfully the recorder wakes up during the day and I have something to watch at night. "Book 'em, Danno!"

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    Posted by daliscar (U15564228) on Monday, 14th January 2013

    I agree about the stunning images, but was damned annoyed about the sound.

    Why play a natural background track, including birds singing, then drown it out with plinky plonk music?

    At one point we saw a wren singing, and almost heard it, but for the damned musak. 
    A pain, which is becoming more widespread across the BBC.

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    Posted by aviddiva (U13145965) on Monday, 14th January 2013

    Celebrity Big Brother (Channel 5):

    Have the makers of The Mighty Boosh sued Paula Hamilton yet for her talking to a coconut? Every time she's said it's in tribute to the film Cast Away I think of 'The Nightmare Of Milky Joe', where Howard is obsessed with a coconut.

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    Posted by AmosBurke (U8229185) on Monday, 14th January 2013

    Cast Away - 2000, Mighty Boosh 2005. I think 20th Century Fox should sue Baby Cow.

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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Monday, 14th January 2013

    Hawaii Five-O is trying something kind of interesting in tonights episode.

    As the show progesses along, there will be 3 different suspects put forth as the possible killer. Viewers can vote as to which of the 3 they think did it, and the programme has filmed 3 different endings. They will show the ending featuring the suspect with the most votes. Viewers vote via the CBS website or Twitter.

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    Posted by the_cleaner (U3423083) on Monday, 14th January 2013

    Hawaii Five-O is trying something kind of interesting in tonights episode.

    As the show progesses along, there will be 3 different suspects put forth as the possible killer. Viewers can vote as to which of the 3 they think did it, and the programme has filmed 3 different endings. They will show the ending featuring the suspect with the most votes. Viewers vote via the CBS website or Twitter.  
    It's going to be a while before we see that one over here GZ; they've just aired the second episode over here.

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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Monday, 14th January 2013

    I wonder which ending they will use for the UK airing. The one chosen by viewers in the US, or the one chosen by the production company for the versions they air overseas.

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    Posted by NethLyn2 (U14722036) on Monday, 14th January 2013

    I wonder which ending they will use for the UK airing. The one chosen by viewers in the US, or the one chosen by the production company for the versions they air overseas.   That's an interesting way to involve the audience with the new Hawaii 5-0 (did they have Jack Lord doing a cameo in the pilot?) but still spells "This show is near to cancellation" if they resort to any more stunts.

    The other two endings would probably find their way into the box sets for the series.

    Meanwhile ITV change their logos, so ITV2 is now all in red instead of ITV3 and I've yet to see the others but no licence money wasted, just shareholders', so that's all right then.

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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Monday, 14th January 2013

    No Jack Lord passed-away in 1998.

    I havent heard any scuttlebut about the new series being in danger if cancellation.

    It pulls in respectable ratings. But you never know.

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Monday, 14th January 2013

    Didn't James MacArthur (Danno) have a part in the new version a few years ago before his death in 2010 GZ?

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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Monday, 14th January 2013

    He might have, I am not sure. Sorry.

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    Posted by Geometry_Man (U12739007) on Monday, 14th January 2013

    World Without End

    - is about as good as Pillars of the Earth imo - i.e, not much cop.

    The acting isn't that great - perhaps because the lines they've been given to say are to say the least uninspired, and often laughable. Woodenness abounds.

    The only one that I thought had any real spark was Nora von Waldstätten, playing Gwenda the Saxon. Indira Varma as Mattie and Blake Ritson as Edward III were OK. I like Cynthia Nixon, but I don't much care for her in this part.

    The collapsing bridge scene at the end was the best thing about the opener. It's a pity some of the large amount of money obviously spent on the production wasn't diverted into getting a decent script.

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    Posted by Sploink (U9993613) on Monday, 14th January 2013

    The Golden Globes highlights are on tonight at 10 (until midnight) on 5USA tonight. Don't tell me who won! I've been avoiding the news all day......

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    Posted by susiesar (U10941938) on Monday, 14th January 2013

    The Golden Globes highlights are on tonight at 10 (until midnight) on 5USA tonight. Don't tell me who won! I've been avoiding the news all day......  Are you Bob or Terry?
    Sorry reference to an old Likely Lads episode couldn't resist smiley - whistle

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    Posted by the_cleaner (U3423083) on Monday, 14th January 2013

    The Golden Globes highlights are on tonight at 10 (until midnight) on 5USA tonight. Don't tell me who won! I've been avoiding the news all day......  Are you Bob or Terry?
    Sorry reference to an old Likely Lads episode couldn't resist smiley - whistle 
    Postponed because of Fog.smiley - winkeye

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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Tuesday, 15th January 2013

    The Golden Globes highlights are on tonight at 10 (until midnight) on 5USA tonight. Don't tell me who won! I've been avoiding the news all day......  Joan Rivers was doing a red carpet fashion report and made a hilarious joke, she said that the name of the film "Zero Dark Thirty" came from an interview with Kim Kardashian.

    Q. What level of talent do you have?
    A. Zero

    Q. What is your preferred ethnicity of man?
    A. Dark

    Q. What is your IQ?
    A. Thirty

    smiley - smiley

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    Posted by the_cleaner (U3423083) on Tuesday, 15th January 2013

    The Golden Globes highlights are on tonight at 10 (until midnight) on 5USA tonight. Don't tell me who won! I've been avoiding the news all day......  Joan Rivers was doing a red carpet fashion report and made a hilarious joke, she said that the name of the film "Zero Dark Thirty" came from an interview with Kim Kardashian.

    Q. What level of talent do you have?
    A. Zero

    Q. What is your preferred ethnicity of man?
    A. Dark

    Q. What is your IQ?
    A. Thirty

    smiley - smiley 
    Jodie Foster's speech at the GG's......smiley - erm...WOW!.smiley - ok

    Tina Fey and Amy Poehler.....smiley - laugh....Ricky G, all is forgiven.


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    Posted by Sploink (U9993613) on Tuesday, 15th January 2013

    I thought TF and AP were not that bad, though I haven't seen Parks and recreation, and so a few references escaped me. I didn't know what JF was rambling on about. OK, she's 50, single and likes to be wolf whistled at. Good for her. Now get on with the acting, Jodie. She made such a meal of it I thought she was announcing her retirement, but seemingly not. She looked good, though. And you can't say that of everyone who collected a prize.

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    Posted by the_cleaner (U3423083) on Tuesday, 15th January 2013

    I thought TF and AP were not that bad, though I haven't seen Parks and recreation, and so a few references escaped me. I didn't know what JF was rambling on about. OK, she's 50, single and likes to be wolf whistled at. Good for her. Now get on with the acting, Jodie. She made such a meal of it I thought she was announcing her retirement, but seemingly not. She looked good, though. And you can't say that of everyone who collected a prize.  At one point, I thought she was going to disappear like Bilbo Baggins at the end of his one hundred and eleventh birthday speech.smiley - laugh

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    Posted by tony ingram (U14880461) on Tuesday, 15th January 2013

    I have just watched the first ten minutes of the new remake of Yes, Prime Minister on GOLD. That was as much as I could stand.

    The original Yes Minister/Prime Minister was possibly one of the best written series' in TV history. Clever, witty, incisive, and with a brilliant cast at the top of their game. It's no wonder it was Mrs. Thatcher's favourite show. This new version? Dross. Utter drivel. The characters are caricatures, the plot seems non existent, the sublime wordplay of the original is totally absent and the incessant laugh track is like fingernails scratching down a blackboard (and was ultimately what forced me to turn it off). Someone should be sacked for this. Starting with whoever commisioned it.

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